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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2733878/Fort-Lee-lockdown-reports-active-shooter.htmlI don't want to speculate about the causes of this situation, and I don't know enough about the military to critique their procedures when they have a shooter on their hands.
But their public relations spin on this bugs me.
Disgruntled?
That's the word corporations use when they want to turn a whistleblower who has just risked everything into a mere troublemaker and a whiner with a grudge.
Again, without speculating on the nature of the situation, I think we can at least assume there was a situation here. And it was likely this woman, even if mental illness is a factor, took steps to resolve it, before she got to the point of despair where she tried to kill herself. This is not like the teenage attention-getting drama of a few pills: when you point a gun to your head, you aren't planning to survive. I also don't see mention of hostages: unlike most male violence scenarios, it doesn't seem like she was planning to take a few innocents down with her. (Again, I realize the military may not have released all the information).
I see a woman in some sort of enormous pain who tried to kill herself over something.
And the military PR spin is she was "disgruntled"?
I haven't seen military PR this ham-handed since I read some random newspaper article explaining some military mistake that constantly referred to soldiers as abstract "resources" and "assets" - everything but "people".
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)I think the media injected that canard.
Yeah, we need to give this some time to work out and explore what really triggered this action on the woman's part. Unfortunately, the news cycle doesn't allow that. I have to believe there is some long term thing going on in background contributing to to this incident. Probably related to unresolved sexual harassment/abuse of some type perpetrated on her. I got out in the '70's and I never was around what seems to be the 'norm' in the military now in their treatment of female personnel. I did, however, have a sense of the RW-edness that was building up.
It's sad to see.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)I was misled by the scare quotes.
Do you know where it came from? It really makes me mad that this word got into the discussion at all.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Would "unhinged" be used with a man?
The Fox News report that is cited for the "disgruntled" comment seems to have removed that comment:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/25/active-shooter-reported-at-fort-lee-in-virginia/
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)It wasn't a media injection. But it also probably wasn't mediated by PR grooming:
http://news.sky.com/story/1324394/fort-lee-lockdown-soldier-shot-herself
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)We tend to minimize these shootings in our society due to the sheer number of them. Everybody's a bit jaded. The unfortunate wording is a result of that, in part.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)It makes me think this has something to do with her job - like she was demoted or fired and felt it was for an unjust reason. Or that she attempted whistleblowing and was punished for it. That's where the word "disgruntled" often comes into play.
That's how jaded I am!
But that's why I wish that word hadn't been used. Because it does tempt me to speculate in that way, and I shouldn't. The irony is that the people who use it are probably hoping that "disgruntled" still works to signal that a person is being fired because they are a whining trouble-maker, and the rest of the "savvy" world will wink wink nudge nudge at it.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)I mentioned the possibility of her suffering sexual harassment. Speculative TBS, but very possible IMHO.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)The early reports mentioned she could be a civilian employee as well. Also, they mention it was her own gun, not a military-issued one.
Ah, Reuters says soldier, 14 year veteran.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/25/us-usa-shooting-virginia-idUSKBN0GP18E20140825?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=71
So, military procedure/law on whatever the issue was.
Civilian(?) police were called on her, though...? And after they cornered her, she went on a "rampage" by throwing things and shot herself instead of (luckily) shooting at them or anyone else. At least the media held themselves back form using the word "hysterical".
I'm trying really hard not to be so curious about what the heck was going on here. All my spidey senses are saying this woman was being punished/harassed for trying to do the right thing or for a situation that wasn't her fault, and this was her moment of reaction. Dang, all those words just drive me to speculate! I can't help it!
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)on some issues. MP's are, in many ways, not full blown 'cops' so to speak. Oddly enough, it's probably faster to mobilize a local police swat team than to get an armed squad of soldiers to an office building on base. Typically, guns are not allowed on base except in strictly controlled situations of guards and prisoner escorts, etc and that's generally just handguns/sidearms. Firearms are supposed to be locked up in the armory.
Oh, and I doubt that the MPs have negotiators for a hold out situation that could involve hostages. Apparently, that was not the case here, but it sounds like it could have been, given the number of people in the building when it started. It's hard to ascetain all the facts early in a situation like that.
I agree with you, there must be something deeper going on here, but our press seldom digs beyond the surface sensationalism.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)It could be something like that woman who had the meltdown in Congress. So it really is best not to speculate. But the initial words of the announcement were carefully chosen to craft a message and makes us speculate in the void of other information. And furthermore, it's speculation on a person's life that only become public because of this moment of crisis.
Gives me the willies.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Maybe we don't know shit about it yet
For saying "without speculating", you did a good job "not speculating" LOL
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)And how this was "spun" out the door, without anyone knowing what this was about.
And at the end of the day, even if all the details are put on display for a prurient public, we never really know everything. That's why we should be looking a lot harder at how the media treats these things than at the situation itself.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Where are all those leagues of gruntled employees that are holding hands and singing, and always happy to step up and cooperate when it comes to ostracizing those bad disgruntled ones!
madville
(7,408 posts)Just Google News search "disgruntled shooter" and 191,000 news source hits are returned. It's a very common term to apply in these situations. If the shooter is angry or dissatisfied with their management/coworkers/job/self/etc then disgruntled is an accurate term, it is almost always used to describe male shooters, not really ever that many female shooters but I think it still fits.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)You say someone is Disgruntled to automatically make them sound like they had the wrong attitude about something: that they were negative, that they were complaining, that they were a whining. Rarely do you see that someone pulled out a gun to get justice after they were raped by their C/O and everyone in authority not only failed to help, they punished her for making trouble.
I'm not saying that's what happened in this case: I'm just saying that Disgruntled is a spin word that was fast out of the mouth of this Pentagon Official, that it's especially egregious when applied to "trouble-making women", and we should all recognize what he just pulled.
Also I think it's suspicious that the Fox News site that was the source of that quote has now removed it. The meme is in the air, but the responsibility is gone.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)many, many times...especially in workplace shootings.
Lots of things can "disgruntle" a worker nowadays!
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)No idea how long she'd been in that rank, but "disgruntled" would describe lots of military folks who've hit their own personal ceiling.