Hillary vs Rand: Side by side comparison of progressive bills and laws proposed or voted for

[apples and oranges]

For those saying that Hillary is to the right of Rand: Put up or shut up. What progressive bills has Rand proposed and voted for? Thanks.

[4now]

1. I thought this would be a side by side comparison

[apples and oranges]

6. I'll let the people who already have it figured out

provide the chart. They have already declared that Hillary is to the right of Rand, so it shouldn't take long for them to provide actual proof beyond words.

[tridim]

2. Neither are running in 2014. WHO THE FUCK CARES. nt

[liberal N proud]

3. Rand has no "progressive" bills to his credit.

Nothing on his side to compare.

[Thinkingabout]

4. A short read of Paul's stand on the issues and a longer list of stand on the issues

Should bring reality back to the doubters. Paul isn't even in the same universe to accept the office of presidency. Guess some would like to show Hillary with the bottom of the barrel of rotten apples.

[JaneyVee]

5. Are people really saying this?

I just got home from work.

[whatchamacallit]

7. The only conclusion from such a comparison would be they both suck. n/t

[apples and oranges]

8. How so?

[whatchamacallit]

9. Hillary would fare better on social issues, but beyond that it's a race to the bottom afaic n/t

[wyldwolf]

10. hmm... maybe I'll make one - an infographic... could be done by this weekend.

[apples and oranges]

13. Cool!

[4now]

11. "Of 337 bills that Hillary has introduced, only 2 have become law"

"As measured by these definitions, Hillary Clinton's leadership over her seven years in the Senate has been marginal, and her effectiveness over her Senate terms has been extremely poor. In fact, she has a remarkably poor track record at turning her sponsored legislation into law, to the extent that she's an outlier among her Democratic colleagues. Of 337 bills that Hillary has introduced, only 2 have become law. These numbers are always lower than you'd think -- it isn't easy to get a bill passed -- but Hillary's batting average is especially poor.

Let's take a look at some detail."

Hillary Clinton, Empty Pantsuit: Her Track Record from the Senate

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/21/413141/-Hillary-Clinton-Empty-Pantsuit-Her-Track-Record-from-the-Senate

[apples and oranges]

12. Actually 3. How many Rand-sponsored bills are now law?

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[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

14. This ^ ^ ^ ^

[wyldwolf]

16. The link, of course, had a very robust discussion...

... which we can easily read. Points like:

1. Hillary was in the senate 1.5 terms. The piece compared her to Senators who'd already served multiple terms.
2. She was a Democratic senator (a junior one at that) first elected in the middle of a Republican President with a Republican Senate leadership.
3. The thread pointed out flaws in the author's methodology (usually happens when you have a pre-disposed position) and recommended he alter the text.

This was a good one:

you're not tracking co-sponsorships, or amendments at all...what about scenarios in which a candidate attaches a rider or amendment to an obnoxious bill that essentially 'kills' the bill?

Plus, being a minority senator in one of the most hostile to minority senates in history doesn't lend itself to much bill passage (although I disagree with you the bill passage is a useful metric).

And since the R's are fillibustering basically anything the Dems put up since we got the majority back, this seems to be a useless exercise.

Add these things to the fact that the senate is a very complex environment, designed to work very slowly, and your diary end up not being very useful at all.

And I'm saying this as a defense to ALL our candidates, not just Hillary Clinton. Because this diary could be used as an attack on all or any of their records.

[Robbins]

15. Look

Neither are great choices for president.Paul Is tea partyer.I would never vote for him.Any so called liberal stands of his are act.

Hillary Is no liberal.She Is a hawk more intrested In Syria and Israel than the fact young black men are being murdered by police.
She Is way too corporate friendly.She is to right of Obama.

We need a real liberal or at least someone not as far right as her to run In primarys.She doesn't even seem to realize if she runs she
has to run In primarys first.

Some may fall for paul's act If she keeps going as she has been.Yeah paul's further right than she is but there is danger In 2016 of having 2 center right choices hillary and whoever wins the republican clown show.