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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's be clear about this: Russia is invading Ukraine right now.
"There are two things happening between Ukraine and Russia right now. First, Russian and Ukrainian leaders are meeting in Belarus to negotiate a peace deal in the Ukrainian conflict that Russia insists it has nothing to do with. Second, Russian military forces are crossing the border into Ukraine in what is clearly a hostile invasion and act of war. That includes Russian artillery, Russian tanks, Russian-trained irregular forces, and even uniformed Russian soldiers who have admitted on camera that they are Russian military ordered to invade by their commanders.
But the first piece of that is obfuscating the second. Getting Russia to agree to a peace deal on Ukraine requires lots of careful diplomacy, and that means that no one wants to formally acknowledge Russia's invasion of Ukraine, even though Russia is definitely invading Ukraine right now. That's how you have even the more hawkish figures in the Obama administration making statements like this:
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When is a Russian invasion of a neighboring country an incursion and an escalation, but not actually an invasion? When acknowledging that is in an invasion would complicate diplomacy to the point that ending the invasion could become much harder.
But there's more behind this confusion than just careful diplomacy. Russian President Vladimir Putin learned a crucial lesson from Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad last year, when the latter got away with using chemical weapons against his own people...."
More: http://www.vox.com/2014/8/27/6069415/lets-be-clear-about-this-russia-is-invading-ukraine-right-now
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Maybe getting the chem weapons out of the way was, intentionally or unintentionally, good preparation for what may follow soon. My sense is we're ultimately NOT going to be helping him if we go into Syria. Putin is just grabbing whatever he can get now, by open force, because his "rebellion" has mostly gone awry. Now it's a salvage operation, like Crimea was: take something of value, quick!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)And now the Putin people have all gone very quiet. I guess they are waiting for RT to come up with a new excuse.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Just 3 days ago.
Guess just what hit the fan . . . Robert Parry's credibility!!
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Sarcasm, of course, Putin is scum and he's getting away with this shit.
moondust
(19,963 posts)Pooty Poot is there.
Russia needs more land. No really!
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ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)Seriously.