Question. Did Brown sell cigars at a liquor store?

[indivisibleman]

I thought I heard Jake Tapper say that Brown tried to sell some of the cigars at a liquor store. But I can find nothing about this report. Now I am thinking he said "tried to steal some cigars at a liquor store" and I heard him wrong. Up till then I had always heard the store referenced as a convenience store and not a liquor store. Is it possible that Brown and Johnson stopped by a liquor store before they headed home?
Let me know if you have heard anything like this.

[shraby]

1. I think I heard the cop was higher than a kite when he shot Brown.

My "think I heard" is just as creditable as yours. More rumors and attempts at disparaging the young man are not needed. If you don't know what you heard, find out before you post it.

[indivisibleman]

2. I just want to rule this out.

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It's a freakin' discussion board, not the Associated Press.

[CatWoman]

31. "AssociateD Press"

[Matariki]

35. WHY? Why do you want to 'rule it out'?

What possible connection does it have with him being shot down in cold blood?

We supposedly have a justice system where people are innocent until proven guilty and tried by a jury of peers. NOT gunned down by out of control cops. There is no excuses. NONE. Quit looking for one.

[indivisibleman]

46. When I argue with right-wingers, racists

and people that want to cast aspersions on Brown I need to know the facts. I'm not looking for one. Others are and we need to be vigilant about every detail to put these a$$holes in their place.

[VanGoghRocks]

25. I heard Wilson was all hopped up on roids, meth or speed when he blew Brown away. That's

why they didn't drug test Wilson afterwards.

[Louisiana1976]

44. Very interesting. They should have drug tested him.

[Hoyt]

47. They didn't want to know the answer.

[madokie]

3. In Missouri they sell liquor in convenience stores.

We were just up in Missouri last week and while in a convenience store my wife lost sight of me so she called me on the cell and said where are you, I said where are you and she said (gasp) over here by the liquor display. We both laughed as neither of us drink anything stronger than beer or wine but right there in all its glory was bottles and bottles of the hard stuff

[indivisibleman]

4. actually yes I have noticed that

convenience stores have started to stock liquor now. It's important to grab a bottle of Jack Daniels when purchasing the day's paper and a pack of cigs.

[pintobean]

5. Why not?

[indivisibleman]

12. Exactly!

I'm fine with it but around here we don't refer to the quickmart as the liquor store. It would be like referring to it as the milk store just because it carries milk.

[madokie]

6. I lived in Noel missouri one summer back in the early mid '70s

I drank back then too and they sold liquor in the convenience stores then. You could actually buy it on Sunday too, come to think of it I may be wrong on the Sunday part but who knows my old memory bank may be shorting out since I'm getting so old and all

[indivisibleman]

13. I once ordered a beer at a Chilis in Texas and

they asked to see my club card. I asked them what the heck that was and it turned out they were in what is called a "dry county" where in order to drink any liquor you had to purchase a liquor club card. They offered to sell me one for 10 bucks and then I could order the beer. I told her that I was from out of state and I never heard of something so stupid before. She looked at me like I was from Mars. Screw that. I'm not going to jump through your hoops just to appease someone else's conscience.
Anyway, the point being is that there are many things that are not uniform across this country. It is almost as if there should be a book of rules to know about whenever you cross a state line. Such as in Missouri people now need to be on notice that they might get killed if they jaywalk.

[panader0]

21. I had to "join" the club once in Ozona,Texas.

I was traveling through, stopped for the night and hit a steak joint. Five bucks to join for the night.

[MindPilot]

22. I had exactly the same experience in TX -- very weird place

It translates into a $10 cover charge to have a beer...what racket!

[VanGoghRocks]

27. My Dad grew up on a farm outside Noel, MO back in the early- to mid- 40s. When

I lived in Missouri in the 70s, you had to go to bars to buy package liquor and beer on Sundays because of so-called 'Blue Laws' that forbade liquor stores to open. Was a major PITA and I think the 'Blue Laws' have long since been repealed.

[onethatcares]

17. that's why

they call em "convenience stores".

Jeeeez, when I moved from pennsylvania to florida in the 70s I was amazed, simply amazed, that 7-11 sold BEER. IN 6 PACKS AND CASES AND SINGLE CANS. True story, went back to PA for a funeral and ended up at a Hooters on a Sunday, since it was the only place in town to get beer to go I asked for a 12 pack and they had no clue what that animal was.


My how things change.


back to the regularly programmed stuff now.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

9. Here in Michigan.....

Liquor is sold in the convenience stores attached to gas stations. Gas up grab a fifth, done for the day.

[madokie]

10. Thats the way it is in Mo too

Back in the day we'd do that very thing, get 5 bucks of gas and a fifth of jack Daniels

[Louisiana1976]

45. It's the same in Illinois.

[Aerows]

23. The do in Louisiana, too (at least in New Orleans and most of Southern LA)

It's in the grocery store, too. I was shocked when I moved to Florida to find out there was such a thing as "Liquor Stores" and "Liquor hours".

[Enrique]

7. sometimes rumors are spread in the form of questions

just saying.

[indivisibleman]

14. point taken n/t

[Starry Messenger]

8. You seem concerned.

[Iggo]

11. Darren Wilson murdered Mike Brown in the street.

Doesn't matter what happened at the liquor store. Doesn't matter whether or not Mike Brown was "no saint." Mike Brown was murdered by Darren Wilson.

"I think I heard"? Dude, come on...

[indivisibleman]

16. What I am trying to do is

rule this possibility out because it is important if there were no cigars visible at the time of the shooting. If the cigars are gone it takes away the narrative that Wilson saw the cigars in his hand giving Wilson probable cause to investigate them further.
I saw Tapper on air point down the road and say there is the liquor store where Brown tried to sell some cigars. I am wondering if anyone else heard it. I heard him say this and thought it was new information about Brown's path from the Market to where he was going. Now I am questioning what I heard and wanted to know if anyone else noticed Tapper's comment.
My main thought is if Brown really had ANY cigars in his hand when Wilson confronted him. Think about it. It doesn't make sense for Wilson to see cigars in Browns hand and then a few seconds later Brown is supposedly fighting for Wilson's gun. Did the cigars go flying? Did they fall out on the street? OR did he not have any cigars on him anymore. Things just don't add up when it comes to the account that they are trying to build for Wilson's defense.
This sort of thing does matter and needs to be examined so that narratives like what we are hearing for Wilson's defense don't become gospel and a murderer gets off. Being negligent about small details like this can mean the difference between justice and injustice.

[jmowreader]

15. Sell, steal, does it really matter?

No transaction involving cigars, whether selling them, buying them, stealing them, trying to pass Swisher Sweets off as a quality variety of them, breaking them open to fill with weed, smoking them or walking down the street with them, is justification for homicide.

[indivisibleman]

20. I completely agree

But it does matter in regard to the false story that is being put out there and we need to knock every bs story down.

[951-Riverside]

18. Question. Why are boot lickers, badge bunnies and cop-cultists obsessed with the liquor store?

Answer. The name of the game is Lie, Deny, and Deflect, it is a delusional sick cult-like culture that lies for each other and lies to themselves. This is pure unadulterated mental illness, it is a sickness permeating law enforcement.

Maybe he has a record, maybe he stole, maybe he shoved, maybe he jaywalked but that does not give them the right to EXECUTE him on the spot.

This is what police did to a shoplifter Los Angeles

I don't give a shit if this gets hidden, THESE PEOPLE SICK PREDATORS WHO ARE ROAMING THE STREETS OF AMERICA LOOKING TO MURDER PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[panader0]

24. Wow--

[VanGoghRocks]

29. 40% of police families report some form of domestic violence because of the

presence of a cop. That incidence of domestic violence is far higher than for most other professions.

Sorry, don't have super-strong sourcing at hand for this, although the link below offers some good insights. My wife is the expert on this topic and I've heard her reference these stats at various points.

http://jezebel.com/5991019/forty-percent-of-police-officer-families-experience-domestic-violence

[indivisibleman]

30. Totally agree. n/t

[indivisibleman]

42. scary. this is horrible.

This is just another example of a full blown execution. These guys ARE predators.

years ago we called the cops about something and because I was upset when I was making the report one of the officers put their hand on their weapon. Everyone with me noticed it and were surprised by this because we were just reporting a crime. Ever since then I have been much more careful around police. The culture seems to be making them trigger happy.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. The store is called Ferguson Market & Liquors

They are a convenience/liquor store.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. i have heard that the cop was a racist piece of shit. what have you heard about that?

[indivisibleman]

32. I have tried to look into that too.

How come there has been no reporters looking further into Wilson's past. What organizations does he affiliate with? Did he have a facebook page and what did he post there? The silence is deafening.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

37. perhaps because they had a week or so to clean up his online presence

before announcing his name

[indivisibleman]

40. This is exactly what I think

and it stinks along with everything else the police are trying to do with this case.

[Heidi]

33. +987 jillion. (nt)

[Duer 157099]

28. Your post is confusing

Are you asking whether he tried to sell versus steal them?

I believe in the very early days of this story, it was confirmed that he was the guy on the videotape in that store, and that he did have cigars in his possession at the time of his killing. I don't think that part is disputed. If it is, that's news to me.

So, are you asking if he stole them or if he indeed was trying to sell them to the store? Not sure was the point of knowing that is though. What is the point anyway? I mean, what are you trying to understand? If he had the cigars, then the cop was justified? Or what?

Confusing.

[indivisibleman]

38. First of all

it doesn't matter what he did prior to his being murdered by this cop. The cop stopped him for jaywalking and then went berserk.
But what transpired prior to the shooting matters in regard to what I see as a false narrative that is being put forward to defend Wilson's actions.
From the video I see Brown buying some cigars, leaving the box of Swisher Sweets on the counter and walking out with some two-pack cigars. The clerk goes forward and stops him at the door about something and Brown pushes him away as if to say, "you're stupid, go mind your own business".
From this video the defenders of Wilson are saying that Brown did leave with a box of Swisher Sweets (which he didn't) and that he was violent with the clerk (which is an exaggeration) and that he stole from the store (which the market owner denied and the police even cleared Johnson of but say nothing about Brown).
I then thought Jake Tapper said that he went down the street and tried to sell some of his cigars at another store, a liquor store. (smart businessman if this is true) But it is apparent now that Brown and Johnson went directly toward Johnson's home.
All this is important for the case because it has become part of the narrative of defense for Wilson if he claims he saw cigars in Brown's hand. (people are just assuming that he still has them in his hand when he is confronted by Wilson for jaywalking) We don't know if Brown even had the two-packs in his hand anymore. Did he put them in his pocket? Did he hand then over to Johnson? Did he sell them? If he still had them on him, where the heck are they?

So to your specific questions. 1-I don't believe he stole anything. Otherwise the market would have most likely made a complaint. 2. I thought perhaps he went to sell them outside the store where he bought them or somewhere else. I know people who have done this to get some extra cash. 3. The point is if Brown no longer has the cigars when Wilson confronts him then Wilson doesn't see them and can't say that he did in order to claim a second reason for why he confronted the two further. 4. even if Brown has the cigars in his hand and Wilson thinks he may be the guy described on the dispatch call he is still unjustified in shooting Brown for this reason.

It is cold blooded murder to me and the video from the market should have never been released. The police pursued it and released it in order to cast aspersions against Brown. and it is working exactly as they planned it to work. They are a bunch of crooks and they know how these things work. They went into defense mode as quickly as possible. I want to know exactly what transpired and to show where there are flaws in the police narrative because it has bulls&*t written all over it.

[Trajan]

34. It's apparent that most posters believe you are spreading a rumor

I see your post as someone ASKING about a rumor ...

Welcome to DU - The Hammer Zone ...

[indivisibleman]

39. No, it was not my intention to spread a rumor

I was just asking a question. But good judgement comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement.
From this point on anyone that picks on me is officially a troll.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

41. no one is picking on you. next time be clearer about why you ask a question

especially when the subjective is sensitive and it sounds like you are victim blaming.

[indivisibleman]

43. point well taken n/t

[Rex]

36. I heard Wilson was involved in an illegal gambling ring.

Let me know if you have heard anything like this.