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Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:11 PM Aug 2014

Mother of 2 Shot Dead by Walmart Security Guard in Alleged Shoplifting Incident

Mother of 2 Shot Dead by Walmart Security Guard in Alleged Shoplifting Incident

The victim, 27-year-old Shelley Frey, was allegedly stealing from the store with two other women Tisa Andrews and Yolanda Craig, when they were approached by 26-year law enforcement vet Louis Campbell, the report notes.

The women allegedly ran away to a get away car, pursued by Campbell, who works as a security guard at the store. Campbell opened fire on the car as the women tried to drive away, hitting Frey, a mother of two young children, in the neck, killing her.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/08/houston_mother_of_2_shot_dead_by_walmart_security_guard_in_alleged_shoplifting.html?wpsrc=ob_july


That happened a couple of years ago but what I want to highlight is the store policy. From Walmart's statement after this killing:

“We hire off duty officers to provide security to some of our stores. While we have policies in place for our associates to disengage from situations that might put them or others in harm's way, off-duty officers working at a WM store are authorized to act in accordance with their department's code of conduct.


That reads to me as a green-light for the use of deadly force by some of its part-time employees. So many questions....Why wouldn't all security officers have to abide by the disengagemet policy? At what point did his "code of conduct" even suggest drawing a weapon?

The family sued but I was unable to locate anything about a resolution or even any results of the subsequent investigation.
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Mother of 2 Shot Dead by Walmart Security Guard in Alleged Shoplifting Incident (Original Post) Rose Siding Aug 2014 OP
This was an Off Duty Police Thug using his own weapon 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #1
A new hero for Fox News to champion Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #2
Shopkeeper's privilege Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #3
Exactly. Shoplifting isn't a crime worthy of execution. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #29
how the heck can somebody get away with shooting a shoplifter who is fleeing WI_DEM Aug 2014 #4
He wasn't charged as far as I can tell Rose Siding Aug 2014 #5
what could anyone Dyedinthewoolliberal Aug 2014 #6
And now for the rest of the story Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #7
"the officer opened the car door and ordered them to stop" 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #11
Driving away is not using a car as a weapon, no matter what LEOs are taught these days. Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #13
Driving away itself isn't. If that act knocks a person down Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #14
Walmart has theft insurance. If the women are ecstatic Aug 2014 #19
That's turning into "The body can be used as a weapon" 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #20
That's just BS. Cops always use the lie that the car was a weapon. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #33
Don't you mean the cop's version of events? BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #24
I opened this thread fully expecting to find someone practicing the old cop apologia. morningfog Aug 2014 #26
True. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #31
No surprises here... BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #32
...You Told A Story, Now For Some Facts! grassrox Apr 2017 #42
nothing happened riverwalker Aug 2014 #8
i no longer believe cops. period. and are they such wimps that a purse bowls them over? samsingh Aug 2014 #28
Charges may depend on the location. In Texas you can fire a weapon after nightfall if Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #9
Let me guess! TiredOfNo Aug 2014 #10
Thread Win. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #12
Pretty racist to assume a shoplifter is black Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #15
You missed my point... TiredOfNo Aug 2014 #16
The cop was black Rose Siding Aug 2014 #22
Was that the sound of somebodies preconceived notions getting disturbed? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #25
Safe bet to assume a cop will shoot a black person justiceischeap Aug 2014 #17
What is racist is the predictability of the race that cops kill. morningfog Aug 2014 #27
Baloney. It is an understanding of the racism of cops and the legal system. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #35
This story is almost 2 years old... BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #18
Yes, I noted that in the op Rose Siding Aug 2014 #21
Two stupid people collide, one has a gun. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #23
He was an off-duty police officer BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #30
Employed by WM Rose Siding Aug 2014 #34
This is on WM. There is no way they should allow employees to use deadly force. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #36
He didn't use deadly force for theft Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #38
Your cop apologist nonsense is sickening. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #39
The cop didn't escalate it Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #40
This is war. The oligarchs are firing the first shots. Initech Aug 2014 #37
I was so surprised edhopper Aug 2014 #41
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
1. This was an Off Duty Police Thug using his own weapon
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:22 PM
Aug 2014

Most stores have a strict no weapons policy, they also tell loss prevention not to confront thieves once they leave the store or simply just avoid hiring off duty out of uniform meat heads to avoid this very thing.

If stores hired off duty cops exclusively you'd see this happening a lot more often.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
3. Shopkeeper's privilege
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:25 PM
Aug 2014

run amok.

Shooting at a car full of shoplifters? His ass should be in jail for that reason alone, never mind that he actually KILLED one of the women.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
4. how the heck can somebody get away with shooting a shoplifter who is fleeing
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:34 PM
Aug 2014

get the license # a discription of the car--but to shoot somebody--I hope that "security officer" was charged with murder.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,546 posts)
6. what could anyone
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:43 PM
Aug 2014

steal from a Walmart, or any store really, that would justify shooting them to prevent their escape?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
7. And now for the rest of the story
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:48 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.khou.com/story/news/2014/07/22/11901352/

One of the women struck the officer with her purse, the officer opened the car door and ordered them to stop, instead they put the car in drive and knocked the officer over.

Stupid to shoplift. Even far, far more stupid to escalate it when you are caught eventually to the level of using you car as a weapon when caught and ordered by a uniformed police officer to stop- and yes when your escape attempt involves your vehicle knocking someone over, that is assault with that vehicle.


Moral of the story- don't make getting caught for something stupid a whole lot worse by doing even more stupid stuff when you get caught.
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
11. "the officer opened the car door and ordered them to stop"
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 01:53 PM
Aug 2014

This predator was setting himself up for the kill.

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These mentally ill thugs like putting themselves in perceived danger so they can kill people including bystanders. Their favorite thing is throwing themselves in front of someone's car.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
13. Driving away is not using a car as a weapon, no matter what LEOs are taught these days.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 02:17 PM
Aug 2014

And hitting a security guard with a purse while trying to flee after shoplifting is not a capital offense.

We really, truly, need to overhaul police training to end this notion that a cop can shoot on the slightest provocation.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
14. Driving away itself isn't. If that act knocks a person down
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 02:50 PM
Aug 2014

then yes, it is assault using the car as a weapon.

You seem to not comprehend the difference between simply fleeing an officer ( also a very stupid choice that will lead to more officers pursuing in cars and put them and other motorists at risk) and doing so in a way that causes the officer or anyone else harm, that doubles down on the poor decision matrix.

If an officer has your car door open and is reaching to remove you, your keys or anything else- and in this case the officer was 100% justified to do so (maybe not the best choice, but still fully legally justified)- if you put the car in gear and drive off causing the car to push him down it is a form of assault, pure and simple, just the same as it they were mad at a kid riding a tricycle behind them and put the car in gear and pushed the kid out of their path.

ecstatic

(32,648 posts)
19. Walmart has theft insurance. If the women are
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 03:13 PM
Aug 2014

fleeing and can't be safely detained, let it go, ffs! This is crazy!

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
20. That's turning into "The body can be used as a weapon"
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 03:14 PM
Aug 2014


These predators hiding behind the badge need to be removed from society and locked away, they are just looking for any reason to kill someone while their little groupies/badge bunnies get off on seeing people get hurt.

What a sick culture.

GET OFF MY STREETS!!!!!!!!!!! GET OUT OF MY FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU SICK PREDATOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
33. That's just BS. Cops always use the lie that the car was a weapon.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:57 PM
Aug 2014

If the car did knock him down, he survived. It wasn't an attempt to run him over. There was ZERO excuse to open fire.

I know you police apologists love to pull these flimsy excuses out of the air. That allows you to rationalize the total thuggery of the abuse of power and use of deadly force.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
24. Don't you mean the cop's version of events?
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 03:38 PM
Aug 2014

In the link you provided:

'Campbell chased Frey around the parking lot. She got in a car with the other suspects and two children. Campbell opened the door and commanded them to stop, but the car was placed in drive and moved forward, investigators said.

I think it knocked him off balance and, in fear of his life and being ran over, he discharged his weapon at that point, said Thomas Gilliland, Harris County Sheriff s Office.'

I think? Was he in front of the car in fear of getting ran over, or was he at the side of the car, opening the door? Why should we believe secondhand information?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
26. I opened this thread fully expecting to find someone practicing the old cop apologia.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 04:10 PM
Aug 2014

I was right. There are the reliable defendants of authority in every murder by cop thread.

BklnDem75

(2,918 posts)
32. No surprises here...
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 04:46 PM
Aug 2014

Capital punishment for 'alleged' petty theft if perfectly acceptable to some. One only needs notice this: Witness statements - more facts needed. Cop statements - absolute truth.

grassrox

(1 post)
42. ...You Told A Story, Now For Some Facts!
Sun Apr 30, 2017, 12:45 AM
Apr 2017

It was Tiasa Andrews, not Shelly Frey, who hit the rent-a-clown with her purse. It was the other lady (I forget her name, or Tiasa Andrews, NOT Shelly Frey) that was driving. Why then, was Shelly Frey the one he shot? Was he aiming at the driver? Was he just firing recklessly into a vehicle with babies in it?

He was standing between the open door and the car when they started to back out of the parking space, but didn't shoot until the vehicle was "fleeing the scene" according to the early reports of this murder...before attorneys were scripting press releases.

A man, cop or not, is not in fear of his life by getting hit with a purse. A woman, who is NOT operating a vehicle (I.e., not behind the wheel,) intrinsically can not be at that instant threatening someone's life by running over them!


There's a reason 99% of retailers have policies not to pursue shoplifters. It's because they are held liable for for any assault or damage or* injury against the alleged. That means its their fault for using excessive force.


Shelly Frey didn't commit any alleged felonies. If there's anyone that thinks we should be able to murder folks for shoplifting, maybe they would be better suited by joining up with Isis.

**B.t.w., Im a God fearing, gun carrying American. If I would have shot and killed somebody pulling out of my driveway for stealing some of my baby's diapers is be in jail for a long, long time...and rightfully so.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. Charges may depend on the location. In Texas you can fire a weapon after nightfall if
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 12:51 PM
Aug 2014

A person is stealing. It may be a harsh sentence for a shop lifter which is probably not considered when in the commission of a crime. BTW, the person fleeing does not have to be on the property at the time of the firing a weapon.

TiredOfNo

(52 posts)
16. You missed my point...
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 03:00 PM
Aug 2014

If the thief had been white, or the cop had been black, she would not have been shot so readily.....

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
35. Baloney. It is an understanding of the racism of cops and the legal system.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:59 PM
Aug 2014

If the woman had been white, much more would have come out of this case than letting another killer cop go free.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. Two stupid people collide, one has a gun.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 03:35 PM
Aug 2014

Unfortunately this is the outcome. Why would a Walmart security guy have a gun?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
36. This is on WM. There is no way they should allow employees to use deadly force.
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 06:02 PM
Aug 2014

With the exception of an active shooter incident. For theft, they should only be allowed to get as much evidence as possible and let the police department handle the follow up.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
38. He didn't use deadly force for theft
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:01 AM
Aug 2014

He used deadly force in response to the use of deadly force against him, in the form of an automobile.

I don't get why that is so hard to grasp for so many people. Nobody got shot for shoplifting. She got shot for attempting to flee an attempt at arrest by a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest in a manner that put his life in jeopardy and knocked him over with the vehicle.

If you strike somebody with your vehicle in an attempt to flee arrest, be it the front bumber, the door or the mirror, you just greatly escalated the crime. You also showed your intention to turn the arrest attempt into a vehicle chase putting more lives at risk.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
39. Your cop apologist nonsense is sickening.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:57 AM
Aug 2014

There was no "deadly force" against him. The car didn't run over him or attempt to do that. All he had to do was get the license number and call it in. The cops could easily find the owner of the car and make an arrest.

The irresponsible cop escalated what should have been a simple routine incident into a killing. You can make up all the lame excuses in the world, but that is what it was.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
40. The cop didn't escalate it
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 12:24 PM
Aug 2014

She did.

First, she shoplifted.

She made the attempt to flee when a uniformed officer told her to stop- escalation.

Her companion made the choice to assault a law enforcement officer by hitting him with a purse- escalation.

She got into her car and attempted to escape by vehicle when told to- escalation from a foot chase to a vehicle evasion.

She made the choice to put the car in gear and drive away when the officer had opened the door and was ordering her out, knocking him over with the vehicle- escalation.

One party escalated it at every step by increasing the severity of laws broken, while the other party was responding in a fully lawful manner doing his job.

Yeah, there was lots of escalation- but the people here who can't see it because they always blame cops are of the same bigoted mindset of people who think every time a black person is involved the black person must be guilty, regardless of facts.

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