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Its not that Finland doesnt have its share of crimes, including violent crimes, but police are not swarming the streets, they dont carry semi-automatic rifles on patrol, and they are even polite when they make arrests. When the teenage son of a friend of ours in Finland was caught with friends one evening a year or so ago smoking marijuana in a playground, the police simply called his parents, who came in and were advised to reprimand him and talk with him about the seriousness of taking drugs. There was no arrest or appearance before a judge, no fine, and no handcuffing.
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But its not just the lack of a police presence, or the quality of the infrastructure in Finland, that shocks a visiting American. There are intelligent policies being pursued in Finland, even under the current conservative government there, that make the US simply look ridiculous and self-destructive.
Consider just this one: In Finland, for some time now, there has been a Job Alternation Program in effect. This commonsense program allows workers up to age 60 who have worked for at least 16 years in any field, from factory to university, to take up to a years leave at 60% of their regular salary, during which absence, the employer is supposed to hire an unemployed entry-level replacement who thus gets an opportunity to gain work experience that will hopefully allow such people to land a regular job in the field. During this paid leave, the regular employee is free to train for another skill, to volunteer, or just to kick back and recharge. This kind of leave can be taken as often as every five years!
This is a program that costs the employer nothing, as the replacement employee is paid from the savings derived from reducing the salary of the employee who is on leave. But everyone benefits: the employee who gets the time off, the young unemployeed worker who gets work experience in a chosen career, the employer, who gets both an eager young recruit to try out or train risk-free, and an existing employee who either gets a rest or new skills and comes back revitalized, or who perhaps leaves, making way for the employer to hire the new recruit at, probably, a lower starting salary than was being paid to the older worker, and the larger society, which has found a creative way to help young workers move into productive jobs. (We actually have a successful version of this at many colleges and universities. It's called a sabbitical leave, where faculty can leave for a year, generally at reduced pay. During that time the school can replace them with cheap part-time adjuncts or a young one-year faculty appointee. Yet even here, though universities love sabbaticals, which actually save them money, not all offer them, and many that do use them as rewards for favored professors and withhold them from others.)
Another smart idea that simply doesnt stand a chance in the Dickensian US is paid maternity leave. The US and Papua New Guinea share the distinction of being the only two countries that do not have any paid leave for new mothers. Finland, meanwhile has one of the worlds most generous programs, with mothers getting 105 days of paid maternity leave at 80% of salary when a baby is born, plus another 158 days at 58% of salary. This latter leave can be taken by mother or father or shared by both. Unpaid leave for childcare can continue through age three, with a guaranteed return to the same job. All children also have a right to daycare and afterschool care through age 7, regardless of income. This only makes sense. How else can a parent go out and work? Does all that cost Finnish taxpayers money? Of course. But we all see the results of not having such a policy here in the US, where poor parents -- especially single mothers -- struggle on minimal welfare (also at taxpayer expense) with a new baby because they cannot afford child care that might allow them to at least go out and earn a living.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)U.S. welfare policy has crumbled to the point of human rights abuses and a moral atrocity. The only reasons politicians are successfully covering it up is they have the collusion of the mainstream media, which focuses on stories their audiences want to hear - which is in turn driven by what will attract corporate ad sponsorship.
If Europe suddenly wanted to ditch us as their special partner, or if they got sick and tired of hearing about American Exceptionalism all the time, the moral high ground is theirs for the taking. Finland can own it, from healthcare to sensible labor policy to childcare. Just step right up to that moral high ground and start preaching to America with authority. Because have a whole level of society reliving the Dark Ages here, and it's steadily expanding.
volstork
(5,400 posts)this IS a third world country for a large segment of the population.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)There's a massive cover up of that fact going on.
It's useful for our so-called "political representatives" to grandstand about welfare and say anything they want about the "bad decisions" and the moral character of the poor: why would they want anyone to know the truth about how welfare actually works? How they deliberately make it impossible and contradictory, hoping that they will drive the "undesirables" out of their State?
We are all being suckered by "State's rights" here, because that's what's allowing this huge game of push-the-poor-elsewhere. There needs to be standard, national welfare policy with realistic survival standards.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)make the US look like a third world country. The effect of decades of social policy and spending policy and housing policy and education policy has resulted in de facto segregation in much of the USA; part of American opposition to expanding social programmes is specifically based on racism (the "I don't want my tax dollars going to support those people" thing, along with the pernicious and ugly myths of "welfare queens" and people buying steak with food stamps while driving Cadillacs, and so on).
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Mainstream American doesn't understand that "welfare reform" in the 80s meant opening the door to dismantling welfare...with nothing to replace it. Which means just leaving people hungry, homeless, and invited to die in a ditch. Though, as I pointed out in another post, I think the real game was about keeping things at a "State's rights" level, which would enable the idea of pushing the poor out of the State (let a stupider, more generous State take them in!) rather than actually killing them off.
Since mainstream America doesn't care about this story - it's too depressing, and Welfare Queens are so much more interesting! - the media doesn't cover it.
I pose this question to America: how can one be a Welfare Queen if you receive NO DIRECT CASH INCOME to live off of? And what do you expect people to do when they can't buy toilet paper? If their only option is begging, prostitution, joining gangs, and robbing you on a street corner - that's what's going to happen!
Ever consider that certain political interests are creating this situation just so they can say (black) poor people are behaving this way out of moral choice? It wouldn't have anything to do with being deprived of all resources would it?
Anyway, guess what - there are Welfare Queens after all! Gather here everyone, and take a look!
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-real-housewives-of-wall-street-look-whos-cashing-in-on-the-bailout-20110411
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)cannot possibly afford to give women any time off for having a baby. I think they'd prefer we give birth on our lunch break and come back and work the rest of the afternoon.
volstork
(5,400 posts)we use birth control...
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Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)Not that we are anywhere close to good on the issue even with a 360 year head start on the Finns when it comes to internal race relations.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Source: Eurostat http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?dataset=une_rt_m&lang=en
GDP growth rate:
Finland: 0.1%
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/finland/gdp-growth
United States: 4.2%
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
Look at the whole chart, Finland's is ugly. I wouldn't have used Finland as an example of employment.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)Look at how Finland treats their unemployed. If change the view to "people on sabbatical" or "people engaging in further education or retraining" or "people having a life while the robots do their work for them", then what does that 8.7% matter? Perhaps that could just be called "peaceful transition to a more sane way of doing things."
Also what does GDP matter? Is it eternal? Measured against what? At the expense of what? If you turn the concept of Growth upside down, isn't it just "burning resources"?
The question is not how many are unemployed, but how many are complaining about being unemployed.
People are complaining about being unemployed in the U.S. because here you have to justify your existence via work. You can't get food and shelter otherwise. Unemployment in the U.S. leads to life or death matters of survival.
If Finland is offering alternatives when unemployed, the level of complaint may not be so great.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)GDP means very little to the average worker!
Edited to add: Our unemployment rate is actually higher than the official 6.2% U3 rate. I haven't looked at the U6 for a while; but, it's always higher.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)That includes the people that are off Unemployment insurance and have just fallen off the map - gone to live with their parents, gone back to school, just become homeless - i.e. not counted some how. We all know the official unemployment rate is B.S. here.
eridani
(51,907 posts)They don't eliminate people who have stopped looking for work from the total. Ours should include our huge prison population and the vast army of parasites used to maintain that system. Also 3/4 of the people working for health insurance companies.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)martigras
(151 posts)And the strongest teachers' unions.
niyad
(113,275 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)But we're better than North Korea!
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)...kill an Indian, move West...
...kill an Indian, move West...
...kill a Mexican, move West...
...kill a Hawaiian, move West...
...kill a Filipino, move West...
And then there's the religion....
Colonized by whackjob fundies, and a Great Awakening every few years since.
And the Old West. Shoot 'em and hang 'em.
No wonder we stand out in the world.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)to be reduced to an answering machine.
Think about all that we could have if we didn't have the insane military spending. Even if it was cut in half, we could afford many things.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)They are a remarkably intelligent and hard working people.
Americans are not Finns. We lack the social cohesion of Finnland. Finnish social policies will not work in the more diverse large nation called the usa.