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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat has this country come to?
When "not as bad as Republicans" and "not as bad as George Bush" become serious talking points?
Dear Goddess!
I want us to win. I want things to get better. For you, for me, for our children, for everyone on this planet.
And I'm getting mighty @#$%ing sick of swimming through this river of raw sewage.
That is all.
Please return to your regular programming.
leftstreet
(36,097 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) on Wednesday said that the Obama administration should make defeating the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) its top priority.
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"We need to be working now, full-speed ahead, with other countries, to destroy ISIS. That should be our No. 1 priority," she said in a wide-ranging interview promoting her latest book, A Fighting Chance.
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Asked about the dozens of Americans who have reportedly joined ISIS, Warren noted that the U.S. should be "stepping up our efforts to track where people go when they leave the United States."
"The terrorists have moved, and we have to move in response," she said, adding part of that "means we're going to have to change in fundamental ways how we monitor our citizens when they go abroad."
http://thehill.com/policy/international/216559-warren-destroying-isis-should-be-our-no-1-priority
sheshe2
(83,645 posts)Autumn
(44,980 posts)she is right on so many important issues I can overlook this one.
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Maven
(10,533 posts)"We need to be working now, full-speed ahead, with other countries, to destroy ISIS. That should be our No. 1 priority," she said in a wide-ranging interview promoting her latest book, A Fighting Chance.
Working with other countries. Sounds a lot to me like diplomacy, not war.
And, there's this, which you left out of your excerpt:
"We can't get pulled into another war in the Middle East," she said. "We need to be working with others to close ISIS down."
Sounds like Sen. Warren is advocating using diplomacy and intelligence to track and shut down the threat, not a bombing campaign or proxy war.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)When *all* the quotes are there.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)There, just wanted to make sure that the selected quotes obviously meant to show that even 'your fave is a warmonger' did not accurately represent her. Now why would anyone want to do that?
But I hope they understand this about the 'left'. IF she gets on board with the forever war crowd, she will no longer have their respect.
For some reason, maybe it's projection a few people here seem to think that once you find a politician who seems to represent you, that you like, you will remain loyal to that person no matter what! NOT SO!
Why on earth would they thing that? It's not about individual personalities, it's about their actions on important issues, not even about their words anymore. We've learned how much words mean in politics.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)They believe that Elizabeth Warren will somehow transform our economy to provide some sort of successful and equitable distribution of wealth. Nothing else matters for that group. They neglect to mention that the President can't really do any of that sort of thing without the cooperation of Congress.
As long as they hold the mistaken belief that Warren or Sanders or some unnamed presidential candidate can transform our economy, everything else is secondary and doesn't matter. Both Warren and Sanders support President Obama's strategy regarding ISIS/ISIL. That doesn't matter, though, when it comes to their belief that the "right choice for President" will somehow fix everything in some sort of sweeping change.
The saddest thing of all is that once either of those two candidates became President and was not able to make the changes they believe are needed, they will attack them, just as they have attacked President Obama, who also would like to make most of the same changes. He cannot, just as they will not be able to, unless we send a majority of Democrats to both houses of Congress.
The real push right now should be a massive, unprecedented GOTV effort to transform Congress by creating majorities in both houses who will pass bills that implement the changes that President Obama has been promoting all along. The only answer that will work is to:
GOTV 2014 and Beyond!
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)"For a lot of people, the main issue is economics."
I would doubt that any great percentage of DU users are 'single issue' voters. Certainly not 'a lot of' them. But each and every one of us have our priorities. You can also change 'transform' to 'focus on' in the body of your text. There's no need to caricaturize people who prefer Warren or Sanders to Clinton.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)DavidG_WI
(245 posts)That will do nothing.
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FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)with all due respect.
Day after day, stirring shit
valerief
(53,235 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)I'm sure this or the one you are replying to will be a post that I'll have hidden but if it is so be it. Just tired of the shit stirring day in and day out.
valerief
(53,235 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Ever notice that?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)A paraphrase of what I'm told is an old Viking saying. 'To each man, his own shit smells good.'
In a less vulgar and more modern way, one might say 'Each person is the hero in their own story' to indicate that people tend to think what they're doing is good, important, or right, even if it's 'bad' when someone else does it.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)Way to many people here trying to stir things up, day after day, the same old shit, all negative and nothing positive. Either they love the doom and gloom or they simply have some kind of agenda that isn't really trying to help keep republicans out of office, but instead trying to depress voters so they won't vote. Either way it doesn't help unite people at all. The one goal should be to replace as many republicans as we can come November, and then start working on the same thing for 2016.
Those who simply want to stir the shit don't really seem to be working towards that kind of a goal. I wonder why?
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)I am not one of them. I too wonder if they have an agenda.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)he gets called a "shit-stirrer". I'm guessing you want him to sit down and shut up and be thankful for the status quo. Good luck with that.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Tikki
(14,549 posts)clearly into the future.
Tikki
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)environment. He is also unilaterally killing people in multiple sovereign nations without Constitutional authority. What do you see "clearly" into our future? More jobs moving to Asia per the TPP?
Martin Eden
(12,844 posts)[link:
|cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... that we shouldn't have to "sacrifice" getting our progressive goals satisfied bending in that direction like we have in the past. We should be able to have someone that has strong progressive goals that could still beat a Ted Cruz-like candidate, and actually get some FDR moments that this country sorely needs now!
I want a leader that will hold the 1% accountable for the damage they've done over the last 30 years to this country, both generically and punish them hard for specific crimes that in the past would have had them prosecuted and jailed.
I want a leader that will rebuild the middle class and the 99% of us that have suffered during this time, and given tha tit is NINEY-NINE PERCENT of us that we're talking about helping, how is that "far left" in anyone's universe but the 1%er's propaganda! If we don't keep cowtowing to corporate and big money interests, I think we'd become quickly a majority party for years to come! But some in this country in both parties owned by these special interests are doing everything to keep that from happening with their so-called "free speech" money!
spanone
(135,791 posts)but they have absolutely nothing to do with the reality that exists....
life and certainly politics are not black or white.
wish they were.
carry on
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Too much money and power in politics. Too many lying liars in politics in it only for themselves. Bush projecting about activist judges.
And in the end there are people who are convinced beyond a doubt that Hillary's our best choice.
Now I know why I sleep in, in the mornings.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)A place in history where the Democratic party has adopted the war policies of the right, and the GOP has gone even further into radicalism to make sure that we stay firmly there.
Yes all Democrats now must line up for the next war...because this ISIS is bigger and badder that Bin Laden or Saddam and will probably attack us and behead us all...hell I guess we all know now that it is a permanent war so we might as well sit back and watch the shock and aw on our TV and thank the troops for their service...and we can take comfort in the fact that we are not as bad as the Conservatives.
Down the rabbit hole is where we have gone...and attending the Mad Hatters tea party.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)After all, ISIS is way over there, and the Republicans are here, armed, and actively crave CW2. They're one demagogue away from "taking America back" with some "second amendment solutions."
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)I guess that's what we have to work with these days.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)
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flvegan
(64,405 posts)I was sick of it then, still sick of it.
But he's short and saw a UFO or something. He was unpopular with our keepers, so there's that.
Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)2 tiered justice system.
Worthless and unenforced regulations.
Laws making things like torture legal.
Super rich elites running the govt.
Media is nothing but propaganda.
People getting poorer everyday while being told how great everything is in the economy.
A quick look at the history of the USSR shows where the U.S. is headed. Oops, I applied rational thought and lessons from history to our current environment of "post reality politics".
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thanks, Manny.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)K&R
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)You're going to miss the good parts.
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)It is split, politically. It's governed by people elected by a minority of eligible citizens, since the majority doesn't bother to vote. If we want significant change, the path to it is clear. Those of us who recognize that path and are willing to take it must change how the people of this country deal with elections.
I keep typing the same thing in my posts as a closing, and I will type it again. You want real change? Do this:
GOTV 2014 and Beyond!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)compromised. We must find friendly elites that recognize that killing the middle class will eventually kill the goose.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)The problem is deep. Not unsolvable but definitely something that will take time and a sustained concerted effort.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12691212
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Thanks for thinking of me. I haven't finished the article but so far I agree. I told KoKo that my disappointment is limited because I felt it wouldn't work. That's not to say that I discourage trying, in fact I was a great supporter of this action. But IMHO the problem is that the Financial Elite currently in power think that it's cool to decimate the lower classes. They are too shortsighted (vision hampered by greed) to recognize they are killing the goose. The lower classes don't have the resources nor the leaders to fix this problem. We must find Financial and Intellectual Elitists that recognize that the current path ends in disaster for all. This in no way means we need to stop what we are doing. If nothing else, it keeps the movement alive. It also makes the problems more visible for those that currently don't understand. I hope that made some sense.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)...we would find concurrence that the definition of economically viable has dropped from, say, three generations to one quarter, and continues to fall.
And, that the power of the individual has decreased steadily.
Still, we have some areas in which we gain power: video capability on our phones is a greater boon to freedom than public surveillance is an impediment.
That's all I got, I hope there's more.
In the end, organization and finding the common ground are the two most important things that can empower us. This has always been so.
And, the opposition know that and they work to divide.
Carry on, my friend!
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)"Better than" often is not good enough.
Thanks for the reality check, Manny.
K&R
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)yet continues to gather those votes anyway, this is what you get.
Vote Democrat: Maybe They'll Listen This Time...
SylviaD
(721 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)crowd. After all, with no expectations, literally anyone can run as a Democrat. Even a neo-con corporate proxy.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Just as in professional wrestling, where both sides/wrestlers/tag-teams report to the same Boss at the end of the day to collect their paychecks and find out the script for their upcoming matches.