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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:45 PM Sep 2014

Glenn Greenwald: his media army of Libertarian disruptors

Another Glenn Greenwald eruption, and more howls of outrage from the Liberterian Purity Left when we real Democrats stop Greenwald COLD with our version of the TRUTH!

But did you know that these Homeland-hatin' LibSymps are even embedded deeply within our media?

Knowledge is power, people! KNOW YOUR ENEMY!

Look, with your own eyes, see what these so-called "Democrats" in our very own media have to say about the most hard-core Libertarian on Earth today:

"Glenn Greenwald is not just the American Left's most fearless political commentator; his fearlessness is such that he has shifted the expectations for everyone else, too. His rock-ribbed principles and absolute disregard for partisan favor have made U.S. political discourse edgier, more confrontational, and much much better."
- Rachel Maddow

"The first thing I do when I turn on the computer in the morning is go to Glenn Greenwald's blog to see what he said. He is truly one of our greatest writers right now."
- Michael Moore

"The most important voice to have entered the political discourse in years."
- Bill Moyers

Do we really need to hear any more of this? I think we all know what's going on.

Regards,

Al-Qaeda ISIS Khorasan-is-the-most-dangerous-danger-ever Manny

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Glenn Greenwald: his media army of Libertarian disruptors (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 OP
I'm curious about Glenn Greenwald's fireworks show that he promised Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #1
Don't hold your breath Andy823 Sep 2014 #11
Waiting~ sheshe2 Sep 2014 #25
Better get the king size bag Andy823 Sep 2014 #48
Funny...yes. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #50
So Your Inferring We Are Scum? billhicks76 Sep 2014 #153
Worshippers? billhicks76 Sep 2014 #152
Three months or so.... sheshe2 Sep 2014 #14
ohboyOhboyOhboyOhboyOhboyOhboyOhboyOhboyOhboyOhboyOhboyOhboy! zappaman Sep 2014 #17
Probably on the same day that war breaks out between Australia & Indonesia. bullwinkle428 Sep 2014 #20
Aww, cheer up! MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #24
Typical Andy823 Sep 2014 #46
It's not my job. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #52
he accidentally locked himself in his closet again? snooper2 Sep 2014 #134
They are on this very forum! Rex Sep 2014 #2
I'm afraid to open my sock drawer! MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #28
Manny... You Are Golden... WillyT Sep 2014 #3
I still think 'Khorasan Group' sounds like an investment firm leftstreet Sep 2014 #4
I think of Kim what's her name Caretha Sep 2014 #16
For some reason I thought of an old Carole King song... BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #111
I get this ear worm... KurtNYC Sep 2014 #128
So do I, but then what do I know? I thought ISIS/ISIL was good for another year or so. n/t A Simple Game Sep 2014 #155
You mean real terrorists? If we were invading to drone some bankers I might get behind this, but Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #49
You may be closer than you think! woo me with science Sep 2014 #54
It's sounds to me like... ReRe Sep 2014 #80
The way it is pronounced, it sounds like the Spanish word for heart, corazon. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #138
Prolly is for the Pentagon. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2014 #172
Ad Hominem attack WIN :) grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #5
I'm not ad hominem myself MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #6
Do you know what "ad hominem" means? Just sayin" nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #104
Something about grits??? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #161
+1 n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #7
If you are worried that you've never heard of Khorasan before, don't be. Neither has the UN Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #8
That's what's so terrifying! MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #9
Yeah, they really should have filed the correct form with the UN. jeff47 Sep 2014 #29
I was told by another DUer (a prolific and well-respected one) that the UN has had Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #71
And my point was that such as list is inherently incomplete jeff47 Sep 2014 #117
Absolutely--every known member of Khorasan is (or was) on that list. msanthrope Sep 2014 #125
Or... MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #159
We must rely on trusted, and trustworthy, institutions like the NSA and CIA and wave flags. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #10
YAY!!! vlakitti Sep 2014 #12
Glenn Greenwald is an abomination! He is an offense against Nature! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #13
I'm afraid! woo me with science Sep 2014 #15
why yes it will!!!! noiretextatique Sep 2014 #19
Thank you, kind voice on the internets! Please, please take my net neutrality, too. woo me with science Sep 2014 #61
I read it on DU that Greenwald is worse than Rush Limpballs. zeemike Sep 2014 #18
I read it on DU that Obama=Bush! sheshe2 Sep 2014 #22
Hardly an equivalency. zeemike Sep 2014 #26
Hardly an equivalency? sheshe2 Sep 2014 #30
Mouthpieces for the GOP? zeemike Sep 2014 #33
Okay, I will explain. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #36
You need to get with the program, zeemike. woo me with science Sep 2014 #40
Well OK but zeemike Sep 2014 #42
The MIC loves you. woo me with science Sep 2014 #55
Greenwald wants Rand Paul to be President. Major Hogwash Sep 2014 #27
Snort~ sheshe2 Sep 2014 #35
Please back that up with a link. And does Sid give you extra points if you use rhett o rick Sep 2014 #106
I put the :rofl: in adblock Capt. Obvious Sep 2014 #121
I think TPTB think we are stupid enough to elect another conservative Democrat that rhett o rick Sep 2014 #105
Greenwald is a cynical Libertarian oppurtunist masquerading as a liberal truth-teller YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #41
I take it you know him well then. zeemike Sep 2014 #47
"The further a society drifts from the truth, ReRe Sep 2014 #92
'truth' can also be distorted...and, it is.....every day. blm Sep 2014 #146
What a hack! He's even a bad Libertarian! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #81
Thank God my wife wasn't sleeping this time. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #87
Hah! Good idea to stay out of the doghouse with Mrs. Manny! RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #136
It's a RUSE! woo me with science Sep 2014 #100
Every time I see Hillary nuzzling up to Henry K I get that feeling like I'm going to puke. eom whereisjustice Sep 2014 #164
Yeah, I was wondering why people were calling him a right-wing libertarian. Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #139
there is a close-minded small but loud cabal on DU LiberalLovinLug Sep 2014 #143
I call it "The call to stupid," and it's deliberate from the corporate narrative shapers. woo me with science Sep 2014 #150
The "Greenwald's a libertarian" lie is a pretty good sign that his opponents have thrown out either Chathamization Sep 2014 #154
Refuting this absurd accusation typically sucks the oxygen out of an argument. RufusTFirefly Sep 2014 #157
Thank goodness we have courageous voices here woo me with science Sep 2014 #21
Non paid voices at that! Just think, what good people they are for volunteering their Rex Sep 2014 #31
Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. - Bill Hicks Fantastic Anarchist Sep 2014 #140
well, a target for their indefensibility-generated frustrations must be found and maintained. stupidicus Sep 2014 #23
GOLDSTEIN!!!!!11!1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #32
Ah... my life on DU MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #38
excellent woo stupidicus Sep 2014 #156
Lying by reporters is wrong, no matter what else is in their work. jeff47 Sep 2014 #34
"most fearless political commentator"??? Then WHY has he fled to Brazil? George II Sep 2014 #37
He didn't flee, he moved MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #44
Do some research. George II Sep 2014 #59
OK MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #63
He wasn't arrested or subpoenaed, was he? George II Sep 2014 #65
No. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #69
According to the article you provided, that was the reason why he didn't travel to the US for a year George II Sep 2014 #72
Because he feared that he might be arrested, etc. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #75
His "excuse" for not living here has become a moot point: George II Sep 2014 #131
Decades ago, I moved to Massachusetts to take a job. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #132
Did you need a visa or passport and processing at the border to move there? George II Sep 2014 #133
No. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #135
the prosecution rests.. frylock Sep 2014 #137
I'll play this childish game for one more round.... George II Sep 2014 #149
Has Greenwald said that he won't move back because of MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #160
He said he would not move back because of fear of being prosecuted under DOMA. George II Sep 2014 #162
He said that recently? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #163
Not recently. As I've said earlier, his "excuse" has become a moot point. George II Sep 2014 #165
Sorry, your point totally escapes me. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #171
On advice of his lawyers who had been trying to secure assurances from State and the DOJ Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #77
I thought his S.O. was from Brazil. Might explain a move, but I might be wrong as well. Ed Suspicious Sep 2014 #51
His claim is that the reason he lives in Brazil is because he doesn't want to be subject.... George II Sep 2014 #58
He made a life for himself, his husband, and his 11 dogs for 8 years before DOMA Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #62
You are correct and for the most part of the 10 years they have been together, unable Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author bobduca Sep 2014 #53
HE HATES AMERICA!!!!11!! QC Sep 2014 #113
Yeah, but how does he stack up against JEB Sep 2014 #39
It doesn't matter if they are real or imagined. FlatStanley Sep 2014 #43
Kick for pissing off the same 8-10 minions bobduca Sep 2014 #45
... sheshe2 Sep 2014 #56
here's someone from my ignore list now! bobduca Sep 2014 #57
How can I be on your ignore list and that you can read what I post? sheshe2 Sep 2014 #60
When you believe you are very important jeff47 Sep 2014 #64
Thanks Jeff! It sure seems like a lot of senseless work to me. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #67
And he's got the routine down pat, huh? George II Sep 2014 #74
That would be a yes, George II. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #79
I wondered how that worked Peacetrain Sep 2014 #68
Edit Number23 Sep 2014 #70
Oh for you little friend, i changed it back. bobduca Sep 2014 #88
Doesn't make me a bit of difference what you put in your sig, sugar Number23 Sep 2014 #94
"Doesn't make me a bit of difference" bobduca Sep 2014 #98
Edited only to show how absurd your own edit was. Which I clearly stated Number23 Sep 2014 #99
Don't need to un-ignore to reply bobduca Sep 2014 #78
I was going to let them in on the method but it was too much fun watching the high fives Luminous Animal Sep 2014 #82
How is it that you don't realize that by going through all of that Number23 Sep 2014 #91
Pssst bobduca Sep 2014 #95
Judging by the quality of your posts, that's the nicest thing you could have ever said to me Number23 Sep 2014 #96
this whole thing is hilarious JI7 Sep 2014 #108
And when called on it, they insist they don't care. jeff47 Sep 2014 #118
There's more than one way to un-ignore. Incognito is one of them. jeff47 Sep 2014 #120
ROFL ! woo me with science Sep 2014 #66
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #76
alerted on fyi Quayblue Sep 2014 #89
Lol bobduca Sep 2014 #84
Now, now. It's important to notice all the CONSENSUS. woo me with science Sep 2014 #97
I lol'd RandiFan1290 Sep 2014 #114
You and Bob are a gif~ sheshe2 Sep 2014 #85
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #86
You seem pissed off. NealK Sep 2014 #102
I know!!!!!11!1 woo me with science Sep 2014 #107
Oh snap! Puglover Sep 2014 #147
Hail to their sock drawer(s)! MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #90
They never fail to pop up. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #101
+1,000 Scuba Sep 2014 #116
LOL! Rex Sep 2014 #166
+1,001 LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #173
+100 nt Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #174
K&R 99Forever Sep 2014 #83
And he's gay and has boxes in his garage Doctor_J Sep 2014 #93
You forgot his narcissism, and the outrage of wanting to be paid for his work. riderinthestorm Sep 2014 #127
Isn't Khorasan something that they make kitchen counters, cutting boards out of? countryjake Sep 2014 #103
But Rachel, Michael and Bill just hate Obama. Maedhros Sep 2014 #109
They're clearly racists. woo me with science Sep 2014 #110
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Sep 2014 #112
I agree with Maddow, Moyer's and Moore Bragi Sep 2014 #115
"Khorasan-is-the-most-dangerous-danger-ever Manny" WilliamPitt Sep 2014 #119
See? MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #122
Rush Limbaugh agrees with Greenwald. Or, they are both using the same script. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #123
For completeness, you should also smear Murtaza Hussein who co-wrote the article. Maedhros Sep 2014 #141
That's a new minion - TBF Sep 2014 #144
Do they realized how ridiculous they look, posting that nonsense? Maedhros Sep 2014 #145
You FORCED my hand. K&R - n/t DeSwiss Sep 2014 #124
But a couple times he's gotten some of the little details wrong! Threedifferentones Sep 2014 #126
When are we going to go back to fighting the Taliban? L0oniX Sep 2014 #129
I'm still afraid. woo me with science Sep 2014 #130
Dear Leader will. You just need to believe! [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #142
Yes! I am here with a year's supply of peas! BuelahWitch Sep 2014 #158
GG is one of the few honest reporters left around. Helen Borg Sep 2014 #148
Cowards Android3.14 Sep 2014 #151
At the end of the day they're all entertainers ucrdem Sep 2014 #167
Khorasan is backwards spelling of NASA ROHKs, a terrorist group of astronomer head bangers. whereisjustice Sep 2014 #168
Many of them are known to have worked with and have knowledge of Al Gebra, as well Electric Monk Sep 2014 #169
Patriot, you are well informed. In the photo, you'll notice the use of aluminum tubes.... whereisjustice Sep 2014 #170
 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
1. I'm curious about Glenn Greenwald's fireworks show that he promised
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:47 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024947685

GREENWALD: "There's a story from the beginning-I thought would be our biggest- & I'm saving that"

Q: How much more is there to release—and what burden do you feel to get it out there?
Greenwald: We published the first article while I was in Hong Kong last June and won't stop until we're done.

I think we will end the big stories in about three months or so . I like to think of it as a fireworks show: You want to save your best for last. There's a story that from the beginning I thought would be our biggest, and I'm saving that. The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicolored hues. This will be the finale, a big missing piece. Snowden knows about it and is excited about it.



sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
25. Waiting~
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:40 PM
Sep 2014
I think we will end the big stories in about three months or so . I like to think of it as a fireworks show: You want to save your best for last. There's a story that from the beginning I thought would be our biggest, and I'm saving that. The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicolored hues. This will be the finale, a big missing piece. Snowden knows about it and is excited about it.



I have my popcorn too Andy. Waiting and will share a front row seat with you!



Andy823

(11,495 posts)
48. Better get the king size bag
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:29 PM
Sep 2014

This will be a long, long wait. Funny why the Greenwald fan club just ignores such things.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
50. Funny...yes.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:34 PM
Sep 2014

just stir the pot see what rises. Some things get stuck to the bottom of the pot and stay there. Hmmm. Yes indeed.

I ordered several king size bags Andy.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
153. So Your Inferring We Are Scum?
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:16 PM
Sep 2014

NSA has that reserved. They are just another tool of the drug war...the biggest abomination this country has seen since slavery. I too am impatiently waiting on Glenn...but unlike you and your friend here I'm hoping he succeeds in producing something newsworthy instead of rooting for his demise because I agree with him that intelligence agencies replacing representative government in terms of power, control and deciding our destiny is beyond disgusting.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
152. Worshippers?
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:11 PM
Sep 2014

Getting sick of your hyperbole. He's done more for us than any commenter on this site.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
14. Three months or so....
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:16 PM
Sep 2014

Glen posted that in May...wow.



K~ I am ready, we are going on 4 months now. It is going to break any day now!



"The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicolored hues. This will be the finale, a big missing piece. Snowden knows about it and is excited about it."

His life has been a tapestry of rich embroidered hues



Thank you Cali_Democrat, damn I needed a laugh tonight.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
46. Typical
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:26 PM
Sep 2014

No real response, but then I guess you just can't explain it, can you Manny? We will keep waiting.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
16. I think of Kim what's her name
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:19 PM
Sep 2014

when I hear/read it....then I say to myself, what the heck has that media spotlight lover thunk up this time.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
111. For some reason I thought of an old Carole King song...
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:06 AM
Sep 2014

Damn I hope Carole isn't being subversive up there in Idaho!!


Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
49. You mean real terrorists? If we were invading to drone some bankers I might get behind this, but
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:31 PM
Sep 2014

Isisileda seems not too scary to me.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
6. I'm not ad hominem myself
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:55 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:52 PM - Edit history (1)

But I have good friends who are, and that's OK. Nothing wrong with it, these days.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
8. If you are worried that you've never heard of Khorasan before, don't be. Neither has the UN
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 08:58 PM
Sep 2014

Nowhere does the organization show up on their AQ terrorist list.

http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/pdf/AQList.pdf

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. That's what's so terrifying!
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:06 PM
Sep 2014

They can lie dormant, invisible for years... for decades... even forever and we won't know it.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
29. Yeah, they really should have filed the correct form with the UN.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:48 PM
Sep 2014

I know all the real terrorist cells make sure to announce their existence and their location to the UN.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
71. I was told by another DUer (a prolific and well-respected one) that the UN has had
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:13 PM
Sep 2014

them on their AQ terror watch list for 10 years and that even Alwaki was a Khorasan.

If you look at the list that I posted the link to, you will see that there are many names and groups and their affiliations. Khorasan does not appear anywhere on the list.

She also suggested to google her user name and Khorasan for much more information, which I did. There was nothing.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
117. And my point was that such as list is inherently incomplete
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:07 AM
Sep 2014

and not being on such a list doesn't prove a thing.

It takes moments to create a new "terror" group. It takes years for the bureaucracy to add a group to their list.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
125. Absolutely--every known member of Khorasan is (or was) on that list.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:07 AM
Sep 2014

A basic understanding of ME culture might help you to understand what you are searching for.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
10. We must rely on trusted, and trustworthy, institutions like the NSA and CIA and wave flags.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:07 PM
Sep 2014

After all, look how well they've protected us by being "patriots under a lot of pressure" and doing patriotic things like assassinations, spying on everyone, torture, supporting very nice terrorists, supplying people with drugs, making deals with the Mafia, and generally being real humanitarians.

Oh, and telling us the "least untruthful" truth.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
19. why yes it will!!!!
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:23 PM
Sep 2014

hand over the UI, education, and food stamps too. thanks for making it easier to fund endless war

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
61. Thank you, kind voice on the internets! Please, please take my net neutrality, too.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:58 PM
Sep 2014

Remembering history confuses me. I just need someone to trust.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
18. I read it on DU that Greenwald is worse than Rush Limpballs.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:21 PM
Sep 2014

Now how much worse can it get?

Man o man do some people think we are stupid.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
22. I read it on DU that Obama=Bush!
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:31 PM
Sep 2014

Now how much worse can that get?

Man o man do some people think we are stupid?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
26. Hardly an equivalency.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:43 PM
Sep 2014

Obama has continued the Bush policies and improved on some of them like drone strikes so there is an argument to be made.
When has Greenwald done anything close to limpballs?...they are not even in the same line of work like Obama and Bush.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
30. Hardly an equivalency?
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:49 PM
Sep 2014
When has Greenwald done anything close to limpballs?...they are not even in the same line of work like Obama and Bush.


First, Greenwald and Rush are both mouthpieces for the GOP.Yes they are in the same line of work.

Sure, hold that close Obama=Bush. Got it!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
33. Mouthpieces for the GOP?
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:59 PM
Sep 2014

You mean like the mob mouthpiece?...I am not familiar with that occupation other than the mob one...but it does have that dark sound to it.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
36. Okay, I will explain.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:06 PM
Sep 2014

"mouthpieces for the GOP= Spouting RW talking points and RW agenda. Sorry that you did not understand that.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
40. You need to get with the program, zeemike.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:14 PM
Sep 2014


We have always been at war with the RIGHT WING AGENDA of *opposing* bombing Syria and *opposing* preemptive wars of choice!

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
35. Snort~
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:03 PM
Sep 2014


But but but, he is a hero...they both are.

I got the dream ticket for 2016!!! Paul and Greenwald! Yes they can't.



 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
106. Please back that up with a link. And does Sid give you extra points if you use
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:48 AM
Sep 2014

his ridicule emoticon? Just wondering.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
105. I think TPTB think we are stupid enough to elect another conservative Democrat that
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:46 AM
Sep 2014

will worship Wall Street.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
41. Greenwald is a cynical Libertarian oppurtunist masquerading as a liberal truth-teller
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:15 PM
Sep 2014

So in that sense, he is worse than Limbaugh, because a lot of people on sites like DU actually listen to him.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
47. I take it you know him well then.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:26 PM
Sep 2014

But the truth has no political identity...it is not liberal or libertarian it is just the truth.
And when the truth hurts, and unravels your perspective of how things were, we lash out at the teller...and want to cast them as the problem.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
92. "The further a society drifts from the truth,
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:46 PM
Sep 2014

... the more it will hate those that speak it." ~~George Orwell

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
81. What a hack! He's even a bad Libertarian!
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:28 PM
Sep 2014


In the DU outrage thesaurus, the word "socialist" is a synonym for "libertarian" apparently.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
139. Yeah, I was wondering why people were calling him a right-wing libertarian.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:41 PM
Sep 2014

From what I know, he's a left-wing libertarian - which is a world of difference. I remember him speaking at a socialism conference a year or two ago when he was introduced by Jeremy Scahill.

I was really confused by the GG hating threads, to say the least.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
143. there is a close-minded small but loud cabal on DU
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:48 PM
Sep 2014

that cannot squeeze into their tiny closed off minds the concept of an "open mind". If a reporter is not lock-step in line with the DLC and Obama he's an enemy. Greenwald is open to ideas from all corners of the politicsphere. I wish more so called journalists would be more nondenominational.

So, in predictable reactionary fashion, this pathetic lump of sock puppets, glob onto any story that they can paint GG into their own little corner. Because.....gasp....there have found one issue that GG has written that both he and some right wing mouth pieces agree with.

If they weren't so hypocritical they'd also say the following:

End the wasteful war on pot?....but but but Ron Paul agrees so ...throw those pot heads in the slammer!

End wars of aggression overseas?....but but but Ron Paul agrees so....bomb bomb bomb Iran

Because if the federal government and the MIC proclaims a new threat to the homeland, even though the UN hasn't even heard of them?.....ah...the Republicans are pouncing on this?.....boo Leave Obama Alone!!!!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
150. I call it "The call to stupid," and it's deliberate from the corporate narrative shapers.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:30 PM
Sep 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3652892

Yup. It's the Call to Stupid.

The incessant bullying to think like a stupid person.

We hate Ron Paul; therefore, if he is against bombing we should be for it.

We hate Glenn Greenwald; therefore, NSA spying is unimportant.


We are to blindly pick a side and wave our flags, STUPIDLY, belligerently, defiantly
ignoring any and all moral, ethical, and intellectual complexities.


We are incessantly bullied to think STUPIDLY, because STUPID THINKING lets corporate thieves and warmongers off the hook.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
154. The "Greenwald's a libertarian" lie is a pretty good sign that his opponents have thrown out either
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:18 PM
Sep 2014

their honesty or their grasp of reality. The guy is for universal healthcare, publicly funded elections, protecting social security, prosecuting corrupt bankers, says Elizabeth Warren is good on domestic issues and speaks at socialist conferences. Yet any thread about him will have multiple people calling him a libertarian.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
157. Refuting this absurd accusation typically sucks the oxygen out of an argument.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:45 PM
Sep 2014

Which, presumably, is the goal of a dedicated distractivist.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
21. Thank goodness we have courageous voices here
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:29 PM
Sep 2014

to defend the beleaguered NSA, the struggling global banks and corporations, the quivering and impoverished government of the United States, and the trembling MIC against the Massive, Orchestrated Juggernaut of Propaganda being wielded against them by....poor Americans, Glenn Greenwald...um...
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
31. Non paid voices at that! Just think, what good people they are for volunteering their
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

time to such a worthy cause. Poor MIC/NSA/CIA/ABCDEFG.

Woo stop picking on Big Brother! Don't you know he has feeling too (read it first on the DU)!

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
23. well, a target for their indefensibility-generated frustrations must be found and maintained.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:36 PM
Sep 2014

he's nothing but a distraction used for the same reasons we use to hear and read about little missing blonde girls -- something to get worked up over instead of the things they should be.

It's pretty stinking bad when the thoughts/opinions (regarding the "imminence" charade) of GG become more important than the bombing deaths of innocent civilians in a country that didn't ask for it and can't be morally and legally justified. In defense of the indefensible, priorities get shuffled as necessary, and pragmatism gets stretched to the point where claims of principals ring hollow or are rendered meaningless.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
32. GOLDSTEIN!!!!!11!1
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:56 PM
Sep 2014
The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.


jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. Lying by reporters is wrong, no matter what else is in their work.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:00 PM
Sep 2014

Greenwald posted a lengthy story claiming that the US justified airstrikes on Syria as an attack on the Khorasan group.

This is not true. The US government justified the attacks as an attack on ISIS. The Khorasan group was a target of opportunity after they started bombing ISIS.

The problem is Greenwald's story goes on to question whether the Khorasan group existed at all, so that he could tell a story of the US inventing the group out of whole cloth to start bombing Syria under false pretenses. But the core of his story, Khorasan as justification, is not true.

Lying by reporters is wrong. No matter what else they have done in their reporting.

George II

(67,782 posts)
37. "most fearless political commentator"??? Then WHY has he fled to Brazil?
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:10 PM
Sep 2014

I know why he SAYS he fled, but that argument no longer holds water.

Fearless my ass.

George II

(67,782 posts)
131. His "excuse" for not living here has become a moot point:
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:21 PM
Sep 2014

http://www.out.com/news-commentary/2011/04/18/glenn-greenwald-life-beyond-borders?page=0,0

"Brazil recognizes our relationship for immigration purposes, while the government of my supposedly 'free,' liberty-loving country enacted a law explicitly barring such recognition," says Greenwald, referring to the Defense of Marriage Act with the disdain he typically shows for policies he believes are eroding Americans' freedoms.
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
132. Decades ago, I moved to Massachusetts to take a job.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:26 PM
Sep 2014

I'm still here, despite leaving that job quite a while ago.

Would you characterize me as staying here despite my "excuse" for moving here being a moot point? Or maybe that I found I like living here?

George II

(67,782 posts)
149. I'll play this childish game for one more round....
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:24 PM
Sep 2014

...you were in the US, you didn't decide to NOT move based on some law that has been struck down in the courts.

Next?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
160. Has Greenwald said that he won't move back because of
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:12 PM
Sep 2014

a law that doesn't exist?

I'm getting confused now, I think. (Yes, I know, not hard to do.)

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
171. Sorry, your point totally escapes me.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:55 PM
Sep 2014

Perhaps willful ignorance on my part, but I'm not sure how what he's done is evidence of cowardice. I will grant you, however, that his living in the US would be evidence of even-greater bravery.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
77. On advice of his lawyers who had been trying to secure assurances from State and the DOJ
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:19 PM
Sep 2014

that he would not be detained and/or arrested. It is a reasonable request given the number of people in government have who advocated for his arrest.

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. His claim is that the reason he lives in Brazil is because he doesn't want to be subject....
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:54 PM
Sep 2014

....to prosecution under DOMA. Of course, that's no longer an issue but he is "fearlessly" still there.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
62. He made a life for himself, his husband, and his 11 dogs for 8 years before DOMA
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:00 PM
Sep 2014

was repealed. What would be the point of moving back?

And he didn't move because he would be prosecuted under DOMA. He moved because David, his husband, would be unable to move here with him.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
73. You are correct and for the most part of the 10 years they have been together, unable
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:16 PM
Sep 2014

to reside anywhere in the U.S. because he would be unable to secure residency via marriage because marriage equality was illegal.

Response to George II (Reply #37)

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
39. Yeah, but how does he stack up against
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:14 PM
Sep 2014

Jeff Gannon? Don't anybody tell me, I don't really want to know.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
43. It doesn't matter if they are real or imagined.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:18 PM
Sep 2014

Their threat is entirely imagined, as is Isosceles and Altoona.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
60. How can I be on your ignore list and that you can read what I post?
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 10:58 PM
Sep 2014

I don't do ignore, so I have no clue how it works. Please explain.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
64. When you believe you are very important
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:05 PM
Sep 2014

you log out so you can see if anyone on your ignore list replied. Then you can temporarily un-ignore them so you can prove just how important you are.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
67. Thanks Jeff! It sure seems like a lot of senseless work to me.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:11 PM
Sep 2014

To each their own I guess.



Luv ya~

Number23

(24,544 posts)
70. Edit
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:13 PM
Sep 2014

The sig line miraculously changed after I made this comment. It's gone from "Did you know you can respond to people on ignore?" to something deep and profound about war.

Some of these folks around here...

Number23

(24,544 posts)
94. Doesn't make me a bit of difference what you put in your sig, sugar
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:47 PM
Sep 2014

Astonished that you seem to believe otherwise.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
98. "Doesn't make me a bit of difference"
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:52 PM
Sep 2014

said the person who just edited their post and added 25 err no on edit 6 emoticons to the post.


Number23

(24,544 posts)
99. Edited only to show how absurd your own edit was. Which I clearly stated
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:55 PM
Sep 2014


You should make that your avatar. Or the "incognito" thing you keep burning calories using to show people here how much you don't care about what they're posting after you put them on ignore.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
78. Don't need to un-ignore to reply
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:20 PM
Sep 2014

Just need to copy the reply link from an incognito session, and paste it into a logged in session.

I was locked out of the other thread with other folks posting the same incorrect claims about what you can and can't do with posters on your ignore list.

I don't think I'm important, my visits to incognito reinforce how correct I am to ignore the lot of you.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
82. I was going to let them in on the method but it was too much fun watching the high fives
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:28 PM
Sep 2014

when really, they should have been doing no such thing.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
91. How is it that you don't realize that by going through all of that
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:46 PM
Sep 2014

You are NOT IGNORING those people??? If anything, you are giving them MORE of your attention than you would regular users!

JI7

(89,247 posts)
108. this whole thing is hilarious
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:10 AM
Sep 2014

some seem to view the ignore function as something more than it is. i said before some view posting on this site as activism.

so they view the ignore as something they can use to attack others with and go through the whole process of logging in/out to see what they are actually saying.

and of course the whole result is not only NOT ignoring the person but actually using IGNORE to give them MORE ATTENTION.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
118. And when called on it, they insist they don't care.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:12 AM
Sep 2014

Which is why they work so hard to read what the people they ignore say.

You just need to forget about details like "logic".

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
120. There's more than one way to un-ignore. Incognito is one of them.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:14 AM
Sep 2014

Incognito is just another way to logout, and thus un-ignore.

I don't think I'm important, my visits to incognito reinforce how correct I am to ignore the lot of you.

Which is why you go through extra steps to emphasize just how much you are ignoring.

Response to woo me with science (Reply #66)

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
84. Lol
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:30 PM
Sep 2014

and they brought their little friends too!

Don't worry little friends, you are all special too! There's room on my ignore list for all of you!


woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
97. Now, now. It's important to notice all the CONSENSUS.
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:51 PM
Sep 2014

What good is all that effort, if you won't notice?




sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
85. You and Bob are a gif~
Mon Sep 29, 2014, 11:33 PM
Sep 2014

That keeps on giving.

I see you~



I needed a laugh, thanks!



Damn you guys are funny!



Hey your post~

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #85)

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
127. You forgot his narcissism, and the outrage of wanting to be paid for his work.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:17 AM
Sep 2014

Frankly I'm shocked its taken so long to ensure DU is reminded of the entirety of his sins. I see the Libertarian/Rand Paul info got out there early in the thread thank Gawd, but its IMPERATIVE all the talking points are hit!

Good work Doctor!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
103. Isn't Khorasan something that they make kitchen counters, cutting boards out of?
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 12:21 AM
Sep 2014

Are they letting DuPont choose the names for our-most-terrifying-enemy-ever, now?

Upon googling, I can see that it was actually an historical region, so there's another very nice-sounding word that our terror-trackers have chosen to sully. It's bad enough that they turned a goddess into something the NSA gleefully added to their top-secret Internet watch list, but "come to the Sun"? Guess I better be careful posting my favorite Beatles tune, eh?

Super duper encoded message for Agent Mike:




An artifact lost forever in Amerikan Googleland...Isis





 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
109. But Rachel, Michael and Bill just hate Obama.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:03 AM
Sep 2014

Why else would they agree with someone who is opposed to his war of choice?

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
115. I agree with Maddow, Moyer's and Moore
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 07:24 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Tue Sep 30, 2014, 08:28 AM - Edit history (1)

They are correct: Greenwald is far and away the most significant American journalist today. No doubt in my mind on that.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
122. See?
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 10:38 AM
Sep 2014

If they can do that to you from 5,000 miles away, just think of what they'll do to you when Putin parachutes them down onto your front porch.

Unspeakable danger. Seriously unspeakable.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
141. For completeness, you should also smear Murtaza Hussein who co-wrote the article.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 01:46 PM
Sep 2014

I mean, when you're posting absolutely stupid garbage you should go all in and insult as many as possible.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
145. Do they realized how ridiculous they look, posting that nonsense?
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 02:17 PM
Sep 2014

I assume that they do, but are just following orders.

Threedifferentones

(1,070 posts)
126. But a couple times he's gotten some of the little details wrong!
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 11:08 AM
Sep 2014

See, Obama's mouthpiece said that we decided to attack Khorasan because we worried that the other airstrikes in Syria would cause them to flee if we waited. Greenwald said that the U.S. only mentioned Khorasan because we needed an excuse to strike in Syria!

Clearly everything Greenwald says is TOTALLY BOGUS! How can we trust someone who does not repeat and agree with whatever the latest general or "security expert" says?!

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
158. Yes! I am here with a year's supply of peas!
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 06:56 PM
Sep 2014

Because we must now eat our peas so we can pay for this glorious war! We can use what's left over to fling at the terrorists as they land in our back yards.

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
148. GG is one of the few honest reporters left around.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:12 PM
Sep 2014

He is a real hero, especially given the climate in which he has to operate.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
151. Cowards
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 05:43 PM
Sep 2014

The usual suspects on the Greenwald = <insert GOP Boogeyman here>thread appear and fling their inane distracting BS.

But they lack the courage to face the OP of this thread.

Come on, show you really believe the bullshit you fling and answer the issue of whether these icons of progressive thought who support Greenwald are also the equivalent of Rush Limbaugh, et al.

Yeah. I thought so.

I have tools in my car with more integrity.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
167. At the end of the day they're all entertainers
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:07 PM
Sep 2014

plying their trade on screens large and small. I don't have cable so can't speak to Rachel other than that she works for NBC and seemed to think Obama lost his first debate with Romney in 2012. That was the one where Romney got caught cheating on camera. Moyers I recall from happier PBS days as even more bland and boring than Jim Lehrer. Moore has recently shown himself to be completely ignorant of all political processes and yet he's the only one of the bunch who seems to realize that Greenwald is a blogger, not a reporter.

Sorry, not impressed.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
168. Khorasan is backwards spelling of NASA ROHKs, a terrorist group of astronomer head bangers.
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:17 PM
Sep 2014

That's why you haven't heard of them before. Very smart dudes. But that's what makes them so dangerous.

Telescopes or high energy plasma weapons of mass destruction aimed at the Homeland?

Clearly we must not take any chances with these existential threats to our Democracy's survival.


whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
170. Patriot, you are well informed. In the photo, you'll notice the use of aluminum tubes....
Tue Sep 30, 2014, 09:39 PM
Sep 2014

what other evidence do we need? All of humanity is at stake. Right now, our brave Congressional leaders have left Washington to meet deep inside a secret bunker to plan our post-apocalypse government.

Pray for us. May god bless the USA.

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