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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGlenn Greenwald: his media army of Libertarian disruptors
Another Glenn Greenwald eruption, and more howls of outrage from the Liberterian Purity Left when we real Democrats stop Greenwald COLD with our version of the TRUTH!
But did you know that these Homeland-hatin' LibSymps are even embedded deeply within our media?
Knowledge is power, people! KNOW YOUR ENEMY!
Look, with your own eyes, see what these so-called "Democrats" in our very own media have to say about the most hard-core Libertarian on Earth today:
"Glenn Greenwald is not just the American Left's most fearless political commentator; his fearlessness is such that he has shifted the expectations for everyone else, too. His rock-ribbed principles and absolute disregard for partisan favor have made U.S. political discourse edgier, more confrontational, and much much better."
- Rachel Maddow
"The first thing I do when I turn on the computer in the morning is go to Glenn Greenwald's blog to see what he said. He is truly one of our greatest writers right now."
- Michael Moore
"The most important voice to have entered the political discourse in years."
- Bill Moyers
Do we really need to hear any more of this? I think we all know what's going on.
Regards,
Al-Qaeda ISIS Khorasan-is-the-most-dangerous-danger-ever Manny
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)GREENWALD: "There's a story from the beginning-I thought would be our biggest- & I'm saving that"
Q: How much more is there to releaseand what burden do you feel to get it out there?
Greenwald: We published the first article while I was in Hong Kong last June and won't stop until we're done.
I think we will end the big stories in about three months or so . I like to think of it as a fireworks show: You want to save your best for last. There's a story that from the beginning I thought would be our biggest, and I'm saving that. The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicolored hues. This will be the finale, a big missing piece. Snowden knows about it and is excited about it.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Funny how his worshipers here won't comment on this!
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)I have my popcorn too Andy. Waiting and will share a front row seat with you!
Andy823
(11,495 posts)This will be a long, long wait. Funny why the Greenwald fan club just ignores such things.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)just stir the pot see what rises. Some things get stuck to the bottom of the pot and stay there. Hmmm. Yes indeed.
I ordered several king size bags Andy.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)NSA has that reserved. They are just another tool of the drug war...the biggest abomination this country has seen since slavery. I too am impatiently waiting on Glenn...but unlike you and your friend here I'm hoping he succeeds in producing something newsworthy instead of rooting for his demise because I agree with him that intelligence agencies replacing representative government in terms of power, control and deciding our destiny is beyond disgusting.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Getting sick of your hyperbole. He's done more for us than any commenter on this site.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Glen posted that in May...wow.
K~ I am ready, we are going on 4 months now. It is going to break any day now!
"The last one is the one where the sky is all covered in spectacular multicolored hues. This will be the finale, a big missing piece. Snowden knows about it and is excited about it."
His life has been a tapestry of rich embroidered hues
Thank you Cali_Democrat, damn I needed a laugh tonight.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)No real response, but then I guess you just can't explain it, can you Manny? We will keep waiting.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)But if you do an Internet search, you'll find out what Greenwald said happened.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Read it here first on the DU!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I think I heard something in there. Something Libertarian.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)leftstreet
(36,106 posts)DURec
Caretha
(2,737 posts)when I hear/read it....then I say to myself, what the heck has that media spotlight lover thunk up this time.
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Damn I hope Carole isn't being subversive up there in Idaho!!
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Isisileda seems not too scary to me.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Hmm.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... "a bunch of girlfriends."
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 29, 2014, 09:52 PM - Edit history (1)
But I have good friends who are, and that's OK. Nothing wrong with it, these days.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Nowhere does the organization show up on their AQ terrorist list.
http://www.un.org/sc/committees/1267/pdf/AQList.pdf
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)They can lie dormant, invisible for years... for decades... even forever and we won't know it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I know all the real terrorist cells make sure to announce their existence and their location to the UN.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)them on their AQ terror watch list for 10 years and that even Alwaki was a Khorasan.
If you look at the list that I posted the link to, you will see that there are many names and groups and their affiliations. Khorasan does not appear anywhere on the list.
She also suggested to google her user name and Khorasan for much more information, which I did. There was nothing.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)and not being on such a list doesn't prove a thing.
It takes moments to create a new "terror" group. It takes years for the bureaucracy to add a group to their list.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)A basic understanding of ME culture might help you to understand what you are searching for.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)After all, look how well they've protected us by being "patriots under a lot of pressure" and doing patriotic things like assassinations, spying on everyone, torture, supporting very nice terrorists, supplying people with drugs, making deals with the Mafia, and generally being real humanitarians.
Oh, and telling us the "least untruthful" truth.
vlakitti
(401 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Will taking away my pension and another constitutional amendment help?!
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)hand over the UI, education, and food stamps too. thanks for making it easier to fund endless war
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Remembering history confuses me. I just need someone to trust.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Now how much worse can it get?
Man o man do some people think we are stupid.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Now how much worse can that get?
Man o man do some people think we are stupid?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Obama has continued the Bush policies and improved on some of them like drone strikes so there is an argument to be made.
When has Greenwald done anything close to limpballs?...they are not even in the same line of work like Obama and Bush.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)First, Greenwald and Rush are both mouthpieces for the GOP.Yes they are in the same line of work.
Sure, hold that close Obama=Bush. Got it!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)You mean like the mob mouthpiece?...I am not familiar with that occupation other than the mob one...but it does have that dark sound to it.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)"mouthpieces for the GOP= Spouting RW talking points and RW agenda. Sorry that you did not understand that.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We have always been at war with the RIGHT WING AGENDA of *opposing* bombing Syria and *opposing* preemptive wars of choice!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Please no rat cage on the face.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)You love the MIC.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)So, that's how bad it can get!!
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)But but but, he is a hero...they both are.
I got the dream ticket for 2016!!! Paul and Greenwald! Yes they can't.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)his ridicule emoticon? Just wondering.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Try it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)will worship Wall Street.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)So in that sense, he is worse than Limbaugh, because a lot of people on sites like DU actually listen to him.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But the truth has no political identity...it is not liberal or libertarian it is just the truth.
And when the truth hurts, and unravels your perspective of how things were, we lash out at the teller...and want to cast them as the problem.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... the more it will hate those that speak it." ~~George Orwell
blm
(113,043 posts).
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)In the DU outrage thesaurus, the word "socialist" is a synonym for "libertarian" apparently.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Almost woke our son, though.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)&t=0m33s
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)It's like when Hillary pretended to admire Kissinger!
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)From what I know, he's a left-wing libertarian - which is a world of difference. I remember him speaking at a socialism conference a year or two ago when he was introduced by Jeremy Scahill.
I was really confused by the GG hating threads, to say the least.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)that cannot squeeze into their tiny closed off minds the concept of an "open mind". If a reporter is not lock-step in line with the DLC and Obama he's an enemy. Greenwald is open to ideas from all corners of the politicsphere. I wish more so called journalists would be more nondenominational.
So, in predictable reactionary fashion, this pathetic lump of sock puppets, glob onto any story that they can paint GG into their own little corner. Because.....gasp....there have found one issue that GG has written that both he and some right wing mouth pieces agree with.
If they weren't so hypocritical they'd also say the following:
End the wasteful war on pot?....but but but Ron Paul agrees so ...throw those pot heads in the slammer!
End wars of aggression overseas?....but but but Ron Paul agrees so....bomb bomb bomb Iran
Because if the federal government and the MIC proclaims a new threat to the homeland, even though the UN hasn't even heard of them?.....ah...the Republicans are pouncing on this?.....boo Leave Obama Alone!!!!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The incessant bullying to think like a stupid person.
We hate Ron Paul; therefore, if he is against bombing we should be for it.
We hate Glenn Greenwald; therefore, NSA spying is unimportant.
We are to blindly pick a side and wave our flags, STUPIDLY, belligerently, defiantly
ignoring any and all moral, ethical, and intellectual complexities.
We are incessantly bullied to think STUPIDLY, because STUPID THINKING lets corporate thieves and warmongers off the hook.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)their honesty or their grasp of reality. The guy is for universal healthcare, publicly funded elections, protecting social security, prosecuting corrupt bankers, says Elizabeth Warren is good on domestic issues and speaks at socialist conferences. Yet any thread about him will have multiple people calling him a libertarian.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Which, presumably, is the goal of a dedicated distractivist.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)to defend the beleaguered NSA, the struggling global banks and corporations, the quivering and impoverished government of the United States, and the trembling MIC against the Massive, Orchestrated Juggernaut of Propaganda being wielded against them by....poor Americans, Glenn Greenwald...um...
Rex
(65,616 posts)time to such a worthy cause. Poor MIC/NSA/CIA/ABCDEFG.
Woo stop picking on Big Brother! Don't you know he has feeling too (read it first on the DU)!
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)he's nothing but a distraction used for the same reasons we use to hear and read about little missing blonde girls -- something to get worked up over instead of the things they should be.
It's pretty stinking bad when the thoughts/opinions (regarding the "imminence" charade) of GG become more important than the bombing deaths of innocent civilians in a country that didn't ask for it and can't be morally and legally justified. In defense of the indefensible, priorities get shuffled as necessary, and pragmatism gets stretched to the point where claims of principals ring hollow or are rendered meaningless.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)they resemble that remark
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Greenwald posted a lengthy story claiming that the US justified airstrikes on Syria as an attack on the Khorasan group.
This is not true. The US government justified the attacks as an attack on ISIS. The Khorasan group was a target of opportunity after they started bombing ISIS.
The problem is Greenwald's story goes on to question whether the Khorasan group existed at all, so that he could tell a story of the US inventing the group out of whole cloth to start bombing Syria under false pretenses. But the core of his story, Khorasan as justification, is not true.
Lying by reporters is wrong. No matter what else they have done in their reporting.
George II
(67,782 posts)I know why he SAYS he fled, but that argument no longer holds water.
Fearless my ass.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Still visits the US.
George II
(67,782 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)So...?
George II
(67,782 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)So what's your point?
George II
(67,782 posts)http://www.out.com/news-commentary/2011/04/18/glenn-greenwald-life-beyond-borders?page=0,0
"Brazil recognizes our relationship for immigration purposes, while the government of my supposedly 'free,' liberty-loving country enacted a law explicitly barring such recognition," says Greenwald, referring to the Defense of Marriage Act with the disdain he typically shows for policies he believes are eroding Americans' freedoms.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'm still here, despite leaving that job quite a while ago.
Would you characterize me as staying here despite my "excuse" for moving here being a moot point? Or maybe that I found I like living here?
George II
(67,782 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)So?
frylock
(34,825 posts)guilty as charged, sir.
George II
(67,782 posts)...you were in the US, you didn't decide to NOT move based on some law that has been struck down in the courts.
Next?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)a law that doesn't exist?
I'm getting confused now, I think. (Yes, I know, not hard to do.)
George II
(67,782 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Link?
George II
(67,782 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Perhaps willful ignorance on my part, but I'm not sure how what he's done is evidence of cowardice. I will grant you, however, that his living in the US would be evidence of even-greater bravery.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)that he would not be detained and/or arrested. It is a reasonable request given the number of people in government have who advocated for his arrest.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....to prosecution under DOMA. Of course, that's no longer an issue but he is "fearlessly" still there.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)was repealed. What would be the point of moving back?
And he didn't move because he would be prosecuted under DOMA. He moved because David, his husband, would be unable to move here with him.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)to reside anywhere in the U.S. because he would be unable to secure residency via marriage because marriage equality was illegal.
Response to George II (Reply #37)
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QC
(26,371 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Jeff Gannon? Don't anybody tell me, I don't really want to know.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)Their threat is entirely imagined, as is Isosceles and Altoona.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)and their sock drawer.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Amazing how it's like i summoned you with my post!
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)I don't do ignore, so I have no clue how it works. Please explain.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)you log out so you can see if anyone on your ignore list replied. Then you can temporarily un-ignore them so you can prove just how important you are.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)To each their own I guess.
Luv ya~
George II
(67,782 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)It's
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)The sig line miraculously changed after I made this comment. It's gone from "Did you know you can respond to people on ignore?" to something deep and profound about war.
Some of these folks around here...
bobduca
(1,763 posts)because emoticons and Greenwaldarglebargle
Number23
(24,544 posts)Astonished that you seem to believe otherwise.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)said the person who just edited their post and added 25 err no on edit 6 emoticons to the post.
Number23
(24,544 posts)You should make that your avatar. Or the "incognito" thing you keep burning calories using to show people here how much you don't care about what they're posting after you put them on ignore.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Just need to copy the reply link from an incognito session, and paste it into a logged in session.
I was locked out of the other thread with other folks posting the same incorrect claims about what you can and can't do with posters on your ignore list.
I don't think I'm important, my visits to incognito reinforce how correct I am to ignore the lot of you.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)when really, they should have been doing no such thing.
Number23
(24,544 posts)You are NOT IGNORING those people??? If anything, you are giving them MORE of your attention than you would regular users!
don't be mad you made the list too!
Number23
(24,544 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)some seem to view the ignore function as something more than it is. i said before some view posting on this site as activism.
so they view the ignore as something they can use to attack others with and go through the whole process of logging in/out to see what they are actually saying.
and of course the whole result is not only NOT ignoring the person but actually using IGNORE to give them MORE ATTENTION.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Which is why they work so hard to read what the people they ignore say.
You just need to forget about details like "logic".
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Incognito is just another way to logout, and thus un-ignore.
Which is why you go through extra steps to emphasize just how much you are ignoring.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Like magic!
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Quayblue
(1,045 posts)bobduca
(1,763 posts)and they brought their little friends too!
Don't worry little friends, you are all special too! There's room on my ignore list for all of you!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)What good is all that effort, if you won't notice?
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)That keeps on giving.
I see you~
I needed a laugh, thanks!
Damn you guys are funny!
Hey your post~
Response to sheshe2 (Reply #85)
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NealK
(1,864 posts)woo me with science
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How SHOCKING and UNREALISTIC to even imagine such a thing!!!!11!11!1
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5237529
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Too funny.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Of course once they do, they fail in other ways.
So true.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)The swarm is not amused
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Frankly I'm shocked its taken so long to ensure DU is reminded of the entirety of his sins. I see the Libertarian/Rand Paul info got out there early in the thread thank Gawd, but its IMPERATIVE all the talking points are hit!
Good work Doctor!
countryjake
(8,554 posts)Are they letting DuPont choose the names for our-most-terrifying-enemy-ever, now?
Upon googling, I can see that it was actually an historical region, so there's another very nice-sounding word that our terror-trackers have chosen to sully. It's bad enough that they turned a goddess into something the NSA gleefully added to their top-secret Internet watch list, but "come to the Sun"? Guess I better be careful posting my favorite Beatles tune, eh?
Super duper encoded message for Agent Mike:
An artifact lost forever in Amerikan Googleland...Isis
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Why else would they agree with someone who is opposed to his war of choice?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Libertarian racists.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Bragi
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They are correct: Greenwald is far and away the most significant American journalist today. No doubt in my mind on that.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)I peed.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)If they can do that to you from 5,000 miles away, just think of what they'll do to you when Putin parachutes them down onto your front porch.
Unspeakable danger. Seriously unspeakable.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)How adorable.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I mean, when you're posting absolutely stupid garbage you should go all in and insult as many as possible.
TBF
(32,047 posts)still learning. Giv'em a break ...
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I assume that they do, but are just following orders.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Threedifferentones
(1,070 posts)See, Obama's mouthpiece said that we decided to attack Khorasan because we worried that the other airstrikes in Syria would cause them to flee if we waited. Greenwald said that the U.S. only mentioned Khorasan because we needed an excuse to strike in Syria!
Clearly everything Greenwald says is TOTALLY BOGUS! How can we trust someone who does not repeat and agree with whatever the latest general or "security expert" says?!
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I don't need infrastructure! Will someone protect me?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Because we must now eat our peas so we can pay for this glorious war! We can use what's left over to fling at the terrorists as they land in our back yards.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)He is a real hero, especially given the climate in which he has to operate.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The usual suspects on the Greenwald = <insert GOP Boogeyman here>thread appear and fling their inane distracting BS.
But they lack the courage to face the OP of this thread.
Come on, show you really believe the bullshit you fling and answer the issue of whether these icons of progressive thought who support Greenwald are also the equivalent of Rush Limbaugh, et al.
Yeah. I thought so.
I have tools in my car with more integrity.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)plying their trade on screens large and small. I don't have cable so can't speak to Rachel other than that she works for NBC and seemed to think Obama lost his first debate with Romney in 2012. That was the one where Romney got caught cheating on camera. Moyers I recall from happier PBS days as even more bland and boring than Jim Lehrer. Moore has recently shown himself to be completely ignorant of all political processes and yet he's the only one of the bunch who seems to realize that Greenwald is a blogger, not a reporter.
Sorry, not impressed.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)That's why you haven't heard of them before. Very smart dudes. But that's what makes them so dangerous.
Telescopes or high energy plasma weapons of mass destruction aimed at the Homeland?
Clearly we must not take any chances with these existential threats to our Democracy's survival.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)what other evidence do we need? All of humanity is at stake. Right now, our brave Congressional leaders have left Washington to meet deep inside a secret bunker to plan our post-apocalypse government.
Pray for us. May god bless the USA.