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@BarackObama
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/517752762461736960
Faux Snooze Update: President finds time to Twitter while ebola and IS ravage Christianity.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)might come into contact with an infected person will have access to medical care that otherwise they would not have had. And just think how many other treatable, communicable diseases may be prevented as more people have access to health care prevention and treatment.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)And who gives a flip what Faux does? I don't.
President finds 30 seconds to tweet, spends the rest of the time doing his job, House of Representatives finds months to do nothing but vote to repeal the ACA and prosecute Benghazi (again), and then go home for 2 months.
calimary
(81,220 posts)Cha
(297,154 posts)students at Northwestern University..
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/barack-obama-swipes-fox-news
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Those students at Northwestern University are great at that sort of thing.
Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)fight back, and yes fake news and their followers do live in fantasyland.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)You've had SO much more patience with these fuckers than I could
ever have managed.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)You're not kidding!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)I only saw part of his interview with Steve Croft on 60 minutes
last Sunday, but when Croft asked him why America had to bear
the major cost of this new action against ISIS, his look was so deadpan,
so tired, so "Do I have to deal with this shit again"? that I had to laugh
and actually DVRed it for my husband to see.
To be honest, I wasn't totally pleased with his answer, as I think the US
should stop, as Barney Frank suggested, BEING the "indispensable
nation", but his face was so deadpan, his response so resolute, and hard to challenge
that it was irresistible. I have some real problems with some of his
stances (the TPP being one of them) but I just can NOT help but
like the guy.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Good shot!
Pisces
(5,599 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)This account is run by Organizing for Action staff. Tweets from the President are signed -bo.
https://twitter.com/BarackObama
Cha
(297,154 posts)at Northwestern University.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/barack-obama-swipes-fox-news
xocet
(3,871 posts)better than the tweet (no -bo needed):
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/barack-obama-swipes-fox-news
May President Obama continue to speak the truth at that volume.
Cha
(297,154 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)They're dumbasses, but they're still here.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)and don't like have to make mandatory donations to billionaire CEO's for the privilege of getting the worst care in the world.
So if that makes me a dumbass, so be it. That's still better than being a Republican, which is what lovers of Heritage/Gingrinch/Romney/Obamacare are.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)We must work toward that as an ideal. That is why we must gain a majority.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)It's a wonder it didn't pass in the nineties when Republicans offered it up as an alternative to HillaryCare.
But that's ancient history, and America will wait another generation for a crack at single payer.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)Which is you seem to be striving to settle for.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Again, it's better than nothing. Which is you seem to be striving to settle for."
I imagine many people allow "better than nothing" to be their standard (six of one, half a dozen of the other-- and each as irrelevant and meaningless as the other).
FlatStanley
(327 posts)You could argue that because healthcare is more accessible now that things are better. But you can also argue that the healthcare discussion is closed for another generation. During this generation the ACA will be under constant attack and possibly weakened in the same way that Medicare and SS have been. And when it becomes acceptable to discuss reform, the privatizers will be back, and the single payers will be asked to compromise again.
And I'm not looking for "better than nothing". I'm looking for actual quality solutions.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)How Teabaggerish is that?
FlatStanley
(327 posts)The MO here at DU is to rapidly degenerate discussions to ad hominem attacks.
No need for you to reply to my posts. You don't wish to add to the discussion, just to end it.
So it is ended.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The ACA set the stage for states to develop a workable single-payer model (just as Romney did in Mass). That's how it works in these United States.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)And in these United States I presume you mean this in a temperal context. Because in another United States we produced a National Social Security and a National Medicare and a National Civil Rights.
But, yeah, in THESE United States, as in contemporary United States, temerity is rebranded as not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good when what is really meant is let the mediocre prevail over the good.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I meant Massachusetts changed the model for expanding healthcare financing and that model showed it could be expanded nationally. The ACA has established an avenue for states to develop a workable model for single-payer.
Yes, that "other United States" did produce a National Social Security and a National Medicare and a National Civil Rights ... it only took 150+ years and a global depression to do it.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)It was a Republican instituted in one state. I suspect there were other state models that could have been chosen to hoist upon the Nation.
And while it took one hundred and fifty years and a depression for SS and then another 30 years for Medicare, all it really to was a leader with courage and majorities in both houses. Too bad we only had two out of three in 2009.
And the rest of the world made it to single payer shortly after the depression.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)now we're denying history? Massachusetts was absolutely the model used to expand health insurance coverage nationally.
Okay, more history denial. http://cjonline.com/blog-post/lucinda/2012-06-01/no-obama-did-not-control-congress-his-first-two-years
Maybe, but we don't live in the rest of the world. We live in these United States ... with all of its strictures and political limitations to rapid change.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)Bu it was the Republican alternative to HillaryCare. So when Romney was elected Governor it was the Republican's intent to hoist it upon Massachusetts with an eye on Romney offering it to the nation when he was President. And if a Romney or any other Republican had presented it as a solution to healthcare nationally, the entirety of DU would have opposed it, and those supporting it would have been flagged as RW Tools and trolls.
But this is all ancient history. And the ACA will remain the law of the land for another thirty years or so.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)FlatStanley
(327 posts)Besides, Medicare was the start. Medicare for all should have been the goal, with the public option being the final position.
And Medicare for all was entirely within grasp.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Medicare was a multigenerational solution, as was Social Security. You don't even understand what you're saying, other than "OBAMA BAD!"
FlatStanley
(327 posts)See ya
samsingh
(17,595 posts)marble falls
(57,077 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)We need to recognize that even this half way measure is not enough. We need single payer, universal coverage that provides equal access to health care for every American.
The for profit model will never be able to provide that.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)if Bush had proposed it. It's a giant step away from actual healthcare. It's a disgrace that the Dem party thinks for-profit health insurance (not care) is wonderful just because our black president proposed it.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)There were upwards of 50 million people in America with no health insurance at all, subject to massive debt, physical hardship & even death - and the numbers were doing nothing but increasing every year. Would you allow people to die simply to maintain your political purity? Seems so.
Now, there's only about 13 million people without health insurance - most of whom live in the few states that haven't accepted the ACA because of their short-sighted GOP-controlled statehouses.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)Granted, I want to see single payer as badly as I think you do. However, I'm well aware of how politics works and that unfortunately we often have to settle for a small slice of the pie instead of the entire pie. I was (and still am) furious with Joe Lieberman and a few others who blocked medicare for all, but at least SOME progress was made. For instance, I just had a yearly checkup which cost me nothing and I'm taking my kids to get flu shots this weekend which will again cost nothing. There's actually a lot of good that came with the affordable care act.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Michael Moore? Is that you?
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)more than last year and next year maybe another $600 more plus more penalties if i don't pass weight, blood pressure, blood tests and promise to exercise with people calling to check up on me.
But I'm in lower middle class and that means I am exploited by both political parties for paying for shit and receiving fewer benefits and less pay every year as every good job is now getting sent to Asia. Unless you work for military.
FlatStanley
(327 posts)I want more of it!
whathehell
(29,067 posts)He definitely rocks.
Cha
(297,154 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Obamacare is undeniably a step in the right direction, but still massively worse than what most of the rest of the first world has.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)He should be throwing one liners like that every 20 minutes, get them recorded and played back on a continuous loop. Start kicking some ass Obama, I know you have your comfortable shoes on.
Fuck them up!
CaptainTruth
(6,589 posts)I'm tired of timid Democrats. Don't sit by silently (or politely) while conservatives take this country on a handbasket ride to hell.
Go Mr. O!
you know it!
Orsino
(37,428 posts)No more Mr. Nice Ailes.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)and "oh, snap!" K&R