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Nice One, Mr. President! (Original Post) kpete Oct 2014 OP
Uh Oh tazkcmo Oct 2014 #1
True, but "Obamacare" may be a saving grace against possible ebola epidemic. Poor people who kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #2
I'm with ya! tazkcmo Oct 2014 #12
DU update DFW Oct 2014 #17
GREAT ONE!!!!! Utterly steal-worthy, DFW! calimary Oct 2014 #22
Actually, President Obama didn't "tweet it".. his staff at OFA did. Obama said it in a speech to Cha Oct 2014 #26
Oh. That's good to know. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #42
Loving this Peacetrain Oct 2014 #3
Hehehehehehehe Iliyah Oct 2014 #4
Go get 'em, Mr. Prez whathehell Oct 2014 #5
!!! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #7
For real.. whathehell Oct 2014 #13
Nothing but net Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #6
I love it! Pisces Oct 2014 #8
LOL Mr President Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #9
Nice tweet. It is too bad that it is not signed -bo. xocet Oct 2014 #10
Yeah, the President is busy so his OFA staff Tweeted what the President said in a speech to students Cha Oct 2014 #25
Thanks for the link. I did not know that he actually said that in a speech. His speech is even... xocet Oct 2014 #40
You're most Welcome, xocet! Cha Oct 2014 #58
Spot on madokie Oct 2014 #11
Of course, there are some on DU who think affordable heathcare is a threat, too. baldguy Oct 2014 #14
Some of us would prefer health care to health insurance Doctor_J Oct 2014 #21
Dumbass here too. SammyWinstonJack Oct 2014 #38
I believe in a not-for-profit health care system. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #41
And so many here on DU think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread FlatStanley Oct 2014 #34
hehehe. SammyWinstonJack Oct 2014 #39
Again, it's better than nothing. baldguy Oct 2014 #43
I imagine many people allow "better than nothing" to be their standard. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #49
I think it debatable that it is better than nothing. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #53
You're putting your narrow view of political purity over real people's lives. baldguy Oct 2014 #57
Thank you for calling me a teabagger. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #63
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #44
Right. Massachusetts as single payer? No. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #46
I didn't say that Massachusetts had/has single-payer ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #47
Massachusetts didn't provide a model. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #50
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #51
I know that Massachusetts was the model for the country. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #55
Nah, just greatest thing that we can start right now... ..... start uponit7771 Oct 2014 #48
Multigenerational solutions are not acheivable with the Democratic Party. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #54
You say multigenerational solutions are not acheivable, then point to Medicare. baldguy Oct 2014 #59
Oh, the bald guy is back. FlatStanley Oct 2014 #61
excellent samsingh Oct 2014 #15
Nothing satisfies more than being so right the other side just STFU about it. Just a few whimpers. marble falls Oct 2014 #16
It sure hasn't improved the health care coverage I pay for. iemitsu Oct 2014 #18
It's not a half-way measure. It's a lousy republican plan that wouldn't have had a prayer Doctor_J Oct 2014 #20
Half measures are often better than none. This is one instance. baldguy Oct 2014 #27
It's an improvement over where we were, I'll accept that (for now) groundloop Oct 2014 #28
Thank you! FlatStanley Oct 2014 #35
Well stated. Your description is better than mine. iemitsu Oct 2014 #37
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #45
my coverage went up, but if I say so, people call me a liar so I'm wondering why I pay $800 a year whereisjustice Oct 2014 #36
I love it when he uses his wit and sarcasm! FlatStanley Oct 2014 #19
Me too! whathehell Oct 2014 #33
:-) n/t! hue Oct 2014 #23
Well done, President Obama! mahalo kpete~ Cha Oct 2014 #24
Shame it hasn't been tried in America. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #29
This ^^^^^ Phlem Oct 2014 #30
Give 'em hell! Which means ... tell the truth! CaptainTruth Oct 2014 #31
+1 Phlem Oct 2014 #32
Now he's done it. Orsino Oct 2014 #52
Retweeted.. yuiyoshida Oct 2014 #56
Kick! zappaman Oct 2014 #60
YES IT IS!!! Corey_Baker08 Oct 2014 #62
 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
2. True, but "Obamacare" may be a saving grace against possible ebola epidemic. Poor people who
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 05:49 PM
Oct 2014

might come into contact with an infected person will have access to medical care that otherwise they would not have had. And just think how many other treatable, communicable diseases may be prevented as more people have access to health care prevention and treatment.

DFW

(54,358 posts)
17. DU update
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:04 PM
Oct 2014

President finds 30 seconds to tweet, spends the rest of the time doing his job, House of Representatives finds months to do nothing but vote to repeal the ACA and prosecute Benghazi (again), and then go home for 2 months.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
22. GREAT ONE!!!!! Utterly steal-worthy, DFW!
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:43 PM
Oct 2014
"President finds 30 seconds to tweet, spends the rest of the time doing his job, House of Representatives finds months to do nothing but vote to repeal the ACA and prosecute Benghazi (again), and then go home for 2 months."

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
42. Oh. That's good to know.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:53 AM
Oct 2014

Those students at Northwestern University are great at that sort of thing.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
5. Go get 'em, Mr. Prez
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 06:10 PM
Oct 2014

You've had SO much more patience with these fuckers than I could

ever have managed.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
13. For real..
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 06:28 PM
Oct 2014

I only saw part of his interview with Steve Croft on 60 minutes

last Sunday, but when Croft asked him why America had to bear

the major cost of this new action against ISIS, his look was so deadpan,

so tired, so "Do I have to deal with this shit again"? that I had to laugh

and actually DVRed it for my husband to see.

To be honest, I wasn't totally pleased with his answer, as I think the US

should stop, as Barney Frank suggested, BEING the "indispensable

nation", but his face was so deadpan, his response so resolute, and hard to challenge

that it was irresistible. I have some real problems with some of his

stances (the TPP being one of them) but I just can NOT help but

like the guy.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
10. Nice tweet. It is too bad that it is not signed -bo.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 06:23 PM
Oct 2014
@BarackObama
This account is run by Organizing for Action staff. Tweets from the President are signed -bo.

https://twitter.com/BarackObama

xocet

(3,871 posts)
40. Thanks for the link. I did not know that he actually said that in a speech. His speech is even...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 03:31 AM
Oct 2014

better than the tweet (no -bo needed):

"There's a reason fewer Republicans are preaching doom on deficits — because the deficits have come down at almost a record pace, and they’re now manageable. There's a reason fewer Republicans are running against Obamacare – because while good, affordable health care might seem like a fanged threat to the freedom of the American people on Fox News, it’s working pretty well in the real world," Obama told students at Northwestern University, to applause.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/barack-obama-swipes-fox-news






May President Obama continue to speak the truth at that volume.
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
14. Of course, there are some on DU who think affordable heathcare is a threat, too.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 06:28 PM
Oct 2014

They're dumbasses, but they're still here.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
21. Some of us would prefer health care to health insurance
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:37 PM
Oct 2014

and don't like have to make mandatory donations to billionaire CEO's for the privilege of getting the worst care in the world.

So if that makes me a dumbass, so be it. That's still better than being a Republican, which is what lovers of Heritage/Gingrinch/Romney/Obamacare are.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
41. I believe in a not-for-profit health care system.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 04:37 AM
Oct 2014

We must work toward that as an ideal. That is why we must gain a majority.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
34. And so many here on DU think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 10:57 PM
Oct 2014

It's a wonder it didn't pass in the nineties when Republicans offered it up as an alternative to HillaryCare.

But that's ancient history, and America will wait another generation for a crack at single payer.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
49. I imagine many people allow "better than nothing" to be their standard.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:37 AM
Oct 2014

"Again, it's better than nothing. Which is you seem to be striving to settle for."

I imagine many people allow "better than nothing" to be their standard (six of one, half a dozen of the other-- and each as irrelevant and meaningless as the other).

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
53. I think it debatable that it is better than nothing.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:20 PM
Oct 2014

You could argue that because healthcare is more accessible now that things are better. But you can also argue that the healthcare discussion is closed for another generation. During this generation the ACA will be under constant attack and possibly weakened in the same way that Medicare and SS have been. And when it becomes acceptable to discuss reform, the privatizers will be back, and the single payers will be asked to compromise again.

And I'm not looking for "better than nothing". I'm looking for actual quality solutions.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
57. You're putting your narrow view of political purity over real people's lives.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:09 PM
Oct 2014

How Teabaggerish is that?

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
63. Thank you for calling me a teabagger.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:27 PM
Oct 2014

The MO here at DU is to rapidly degenerate discussions to ad hominem attacks.

No need for you to reply to my posts. You don't wish to add to the discussion, just to end it.

So it is ended.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
44. No ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:54 AM
Oct 2014

The ACA set the stage for states to develop a workable single-payer model (just as Romney did in Mass). That's how it works in these United States.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
46. Right. Massachusetts as single payer? No.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:01 AM
Oct 2014

And in these United States I presume you mean this in a temperal context. Because in another United States we produced a National Social Security and a National Medicare and a National Civil Rights.

But, yeah, in THESE United States, as in contemporary United States, temerity is rebranded as not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good when what is really meant is let the mediocre prevail over the good.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
47. I didn't say that Massachusetts had/has single-payer ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:00 AM
Oct 2014

I meant Massachusetts changed the model for expanding healthcare financing and that model showed it could be expanded nationally. The ACA has established an avenue for states to develop a workable model for single-payer.

Yes, that "other United States" did produce a National Social Security and a National Medicare and a National Civil Rights ... it only took 150+ years and a global depression to do it.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
50. Massachusetts didn't provide a model.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:35 PM
Oct 2014

It was a Republican instituted in one state. I suspect there were other state models that could have been chosen to hoist upon the Nation.

And while it took one hundred and fifty years and a depression for SS and then another 30 years for Medicare, all it really to was a leader with courage and majorities in both houses. Too bad we only had two out of three in 2009.

And the rest of the world made it to single payer shortly after the depression.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
51. Okay ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 01:50 PM
Oct 2014

now we're denying history? Massachusetts was absolutely the model used to expand health insurance coverage nationally.

And while it took one hundred and fifty years and a depression for SS and then another 30 years for Medicare, all it really to was a leader with courage and majorities in both houses. Too bad we only had two out of three in 2009.


Okay, more history denial. http://cjonline.com/blog-post/lucinda/2012-06-01/no-obama-did-not-control-congress-his-first-two-years

And the rest of the world made it to single payer shortly after the depression.


Maybe, but we don't live in the rest of the world. We live in these United States ... with all of its strictures and political limitations to rapid change.
 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
55. I know that Massachusetts was the model for the country.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:30 PM
Oct 2014

Bu it was the Republican alternative to HillaryCare. So when Romney was elected Governor it was the Republican's intent to hoist it upon Massachusetts with an eye on Romney offering it to the nation when he was President. And if a Romney or any other Republican had presented it as a solution to healthcare nationally, the entirety of DU would have opposed it, and those supporting it would have been flagged as RW Tools and trolls.

But this is all ancient history. And the ACA will remain the law of the land for another thirty years or so.

 

FlatStanley

(327 posts)
54. Multigenerational solutions are not acheivable with the Democratic Party.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 02:23 PM
Oct 2014

Besides, Medicare was the start. Medicare for all should have been the goal, with the public option being the final position.

And Medicare for all was entirely within grasp.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
59. You say multigenerational solutions are not acheivable, then point to Medicare.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 06:18 PM
Oct 2014

Medicare was a multigenerational solution, as was Social Security. You don't even understand what you're saying, other than "OBAMA BAD!"

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
18. It sure hasn't improved the health care coverage I pay for.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:12 PM
Oct 2014

We need to recognize that even this half way measure is not enough. We need single payer, universal coverage that provides equal access to health care for every American.
The for profit model will never be able to provide that.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
20. It's not a half-way measure. It's a lousy republican plan that wouldn't have had a prayer
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 07:34 PM
Oct 2014

if Bush had proposed it. It's a giant step away from actual healthcare. It's a disgrace that the Dem party thinks for-profit health insurance (not care) is wonderful just because our black president proposed it.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
27. Half measures are often better than none. This is one instance.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 08:05 PM
Oct 2014

There were upwards of 50 million people in America with no health insurance at all, subject to massive debt, physical hardship & even death - and the numbers were doing nothing but increasing every year. Would you allow people to die simply to maintain your political purity? Seems so.

Now, there's only about 13 million people without health insurance - most of whom live in the few states that haven't accepted the ACA because of their short-sighted GOP-controlled statehouses.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
28. It's an improvement over where we were, I'll accept that (for now)
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 08:45 PM
Oct 2014

Granted, I want to see single payer as badly as I think you do. However, I'm well aware of how politics works and that unfortunately we often have to settle for a small slice of the pie instead of the entire pie. I was (and still am) furious with Joe Lieberman and a few others who blocked medicare for all, but at least SOME progress was made. For instance, I just had a yearly checkup which cost me nothing and I'm taking my kids to get flu shots this weekend which will again cost nothing. There's actually a lot of good that came with the affordable care act.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
36. my coverage went up, but if I say so, people call me a liar so I'm wondering why I pay $800 a year
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:32 AM
Oct 2014

more than last year and next year maybe another $600 more plus more penalties if i don't pass weight, blood pressure, blood tests and promise to exercise with people calling to check up on me.

But I'm in lower middle class and that means I am exploited by both political parties for paying for shit and receiving fewer benefits and less pay every year as every good job is now getting sent to Asia. Unless you work for military.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
29. Shame it hasn't been tried in America.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 08:52 PM
Oct 2014

Obamacare is undeniably a step in the right direction, but still massively worse than what most of the rest of the first world has.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
30. This ^^^^^
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:27 PM
Oct 2014

He should be throwing one liners like that every 20 minutes, get them recorded and played back on a continuous loop. Start kicking some ass Obama, I know you have your comfortable shoes on.

Fuck them up!

CaptainTruth

(6,589 posts)
31. Give 'em hell! Which means ... tell the truth!
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:52 PM
Oct 2014

I'm tired of timid Democrats. Don't sit by silently (or politely) while conservatives take this country on a handbasket ride to hell.

Go Mr. O!

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