Its nothing but "crap" the whole thing.. the Obama administration

[Peacetrain]

We have been around this bend so often, I am getting dizzy..

No matter what happens.. the Tea Party, Fox fueled, Right Wing Libertarians, off the wall republicans,.. etc etc etc.. can only respond in one way.. its all CRAP!

Today was another one of those days..

Good economic news on a broad spectrum..the things we want..even good paying jobs opening up again and not just get by jobs..

What do we hear.. its nothing but crap from that side..

I have come to this conclusion:

I as a Democrat could offer a group cheesecake.. and that side would yell its crap!!

Every one can see its cheesecake..people come forward..

But they start the chant again, its crap, all crap..

Even people who can see this is actually cheesecake..the box it came in.. the receipt.. start to step back.

They know its a lie..but the continual chant of crap crap crap starts to leave its mark.

People literally lose their appetite .. and step away

And the liars win.. again and again..

This is just an example of how their side works.. and how it wins..

Time to push back on this nonsense

[madokie]

1. Its about too late to start pushing back now

Well it really isn't as long as we can get a toe hold we can and should be pushing back. The thing that gets me is I bet most of us have friends who are part of this it's crap brigade. I know I do or did

[Peacetrain]

3. Unfortunately.. that is true about friends and family

They have heard the crap crap crap so much that they tune out.. and become uninformed.. sad isn't it

[Veilex]

20. Its certainly too late to stop what has already passed...

However, we can stop any and all future lies if we all start here and now.

So, you know that stupid (in my opinion) homeland security quote: "If you see something, say something"?

Implement it toward perpetuated lies.

We can call out every fabrication, half-truth, slippery slope, little white-lie, etc. for what they are.
Distractions, diversions and derailments from issues that matter.

So, the challenge is this: If you see something, say something!

[madokie]

25. I've been saying something so long now

I'm too damn old to quit. I've been paying attention to these f*ing republiCONs since watergate and telling everybody I run into that acts like they might even know what a voting booth is that the pukes are out to get us, they said so way back then and still telling us that today. I hear 'm but a lot of people don't. sad but true

[LawDeeDah]

2. I've discovered that lots of people here hate cheesecake.

and they want everyone to hate cheesecake.

[Veilex]

21. mmm...

I cheesecake... I just hate the calories

[tridim]

4. They publically announced this strategery on election night 2008.

Let's push back like we did in 2012.

[Peacetrain]

5. You got that right..

Heck they wanted to impeach him before he was even inaugurated.. I mean I get sick and tired of their continual carping..and sometimes tune out.. where do they get the energy to be so negative all the time?.

I mean lets be honest here tridim.. the other side has done NOTHING to help us.. NOTHING.. they have thrown every obstacle known ..

This midterm is important.. and this good news sticks in their craws..it does nothing but help our side..

[Doctor_J]

6. One thing that would help IMO is for the DC Dems to stop giving in, period

We can't "push back" if our representatives keep backpedaling.

the other front on which this needs to be fought is to do something about the media in this country. Who's willing to do what it takes?

[Enthusiast]

43. +1 an entire shit load.

Our side could at least voice their disapproval of the massively one sided media. There are numerous examples to use as illustrations. Our side should be calling for a new Fairness Doctrine. Every Democrat that appears in public should bring it up every time they appear in public.

[NYC_SKP]

7. You do realize, don't you, that the economic crash and housing collapse and Ebola are Obama's fault?

Also, toothaches and the Pontiac Aztek!

[zeemike]

16. I did not know about the Pontiac Aztek!

In fact I had never even heard of it...
But that right there shows what a fuck up Obama created...shame on him.

[kairos12]

18. ...and bee colony colapse.

[Plucketeer]

24. I saw an Aztek in traffic yesterday

I'd drive one if I could find one nice enough. Truthaches, we Dems got plenty of!

[louis-t]

27. Not many of them left for some reason.

I haven't seen one in years. When they first came out, I was at an office function and was walking to my car with another guy and I saw one and said "that is the ugliest car I've ever seen." He said "That's my car!"

[Art_from_Ark]

46. It's not as ugly as the VW Thing

[Plucketeer]

51. There's actually about 3 or 4

that I see occasionally around this town of 125K. To my eye, alot of crossovers are coming close in their styling lately.

[Major Hogwash]

42. Not to mention Obama's terrible response to Hurricane Katrina!!

When I read about that poll from Louisiana that was taken earlier this year that blamed President Obama for Bush's poor excuse of a response to the horrendous carnage done by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, I just about puked!!

And then some people wonder, is our children learning?

[Enthusiast]

44. The styling of the Pontiac Aztek has grown on me over the years.

[NYC_SKP]

47. It had a lot of good features, like that tent thing that popped out.

It was just so butt ugly and different, kind of like my Prius!

But that grew on my!

[Enthusiast]

48. I would like a Prius.

But I don't know why, we never go anywhere now.

I had an AMC Gremlin.

[Ikonoklast]

56. I can suggest a good dermatologist to see.

[treestar]

52. I can forgive Obama for everything but the Aztec

Especially in orange. Maybe he's trying to reach out to Boner.

[Stardust]

55. The little Aztek served Walter White well (Breaking Bad reference for those NITK. ). nt

[freshwest]

8. The problem is the assumption that this only matters at election time. The GOP, FOX, etc. spout this

for the entire year, day after day, week after week for years on end from so many sources on all sides, that people feel they are part of a vital, viral 'movement.'

Oh, it's a 'movement' all right. A bowel movement from Rush coming out of their own mouths and thinking they are clever. Then they and democracy will get flushed with the rest and they'll just keep on swallowing the latest swill.

Sorry to be so graphic, but it really is just in the nature of some people now, and they are loudest voices, just like Glenn, Brillo, etc. with a twist they think, but the results are the same. Nobody wants anything good now, bitterness is where it's at.

[SidDithers]

9. DU rec...

And you see it here at DU, too.

'Why don't Dems want Obama to campaign for them?'

Cause enough liberals, enough of the left, to become disaffected and the right wins by default.

It's pretty fucking sickening.

Sid

[Cayenne]

10. The economy really is crap though

Wages, job quality, and labor participation are down. The 'recovery' has been for the super rich only.

[brush]

13. Compared to what . . .

In '07 and '08 thinks were exponentially worse.

Of course things could be better but things are much better than '07 and '08 with the creation of jobs and the insurance coverage for millions under the ACA — even with all the repug obstructionism.

Some sure have short memories.

[zeemike]

17. My memory is not short.

I go back long before 07...way back to when one worker working 40 hours a week could support a family in the 60s and 70s.
So if you take the long view it has been a steady decline for the 90% and a fabulous rise for the rest.

[snappyturtle]

22. Absolutely. I've been around a long time. I haven't read anything that

the 'new' jobs are good paying ones, have you? Of course, any job is better than no job. imho

[zeemike]

29. They all pay considerably less

With no benefits at all...that is not an improvement.

[brush]

33. And how could you possibly know that they all pay considerably less?

Are you all-knowing or something?

[zeemike]

36. Well it is quite simple...I know people.

And of the people I know, few of them have only one person in the family that works because they need two or more incomes to survive...that is a decline in income no matter how you look at it.

[brush]

38. That's not new

It has been several decades that most households have had to have both husband and wife working full-time to maintain a middle class lifestyle.

That is nothing new and didn't start with Obama.

Ever heard of Reagan busting PATCO, the air traffic controllers union?

That started the decline of unionism (which played a huge part in creating the middle class) and began the failed trickle-down economic policies and the slow, decades long decline of the US economy, save for the booming Clinton years.

[zeemike]

39. I lived through all of that shit and did not have my eyes closed.

I know all about that...saw it happen and saw our political leaders roll over for it all.
But many of those with two working do not have a middle class lifestyle...most are barely hanging on...the middle class is dead.

But I suppose it is who you hang with...if you have a portfolio and a 401k for your retirement I am not talking about you.

And I am not blaming it on Obama...but he has done little to change it, just as all of them have done...and I voted for change.

[brush]

40. You're so right about two jobs not being middle class anymore

Too me it's treasonous how the repugs have dismantled the middle class and as you and I know it didn't start with obstructing everything Obama tried.

Serving in Congress but voting stop every bill that could help the economy and thus, the country, is criminal IMO.

[woo me with science]

65. Low-wage jobs replace middle-income work. Welcome to your new low-pay future.

The jobs that have been created in this "recovery" are mostly low-pay service jobs. The truth is that it was not a recovery. It was a restructuring to benefit the One Percent.

April 28, 2014: Most Of The Jobs Added Since The Recession Pay Low Wages
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/28/3431351/recovery-jobs-low-wage/

Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/recovery-has-created-far-more-low-wage-jobs-than-better-paid-ones.html?_r=0

Low-wage jobs proliferate as middle class ones disappear: job growth patterns since the recession
http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2014/04/low-wage_jobs_proliferate_as_m.html

Low-Wage Jobs Replace Middle-Income Work, Study Finds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/31/low-wage-jobs_n_1846733.html

Careers Are Dead. Welcome To Your Low-Wage, Temp Work Future
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jmaureenhenderson/2012/08/30/careers-are-dead-welcome-to-your-low-wage-temp-work-future/

In addition, the TPP that Obama is hell-bent on supporting will DESTROY jobs and cut wages for over 90 percent of American workers:

Study: "Trade" Deal Would Mean a Pay Cut for 90% of U.S. Workers
http://citizen.typepad.com/eyesontrade/2013/09/the-verdict-is-in-the-trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-a-sweeping-free-trade-deal-under-negotiation-with-11-pacific-rim-coun.html

No, the chocolate ration has not been increased:

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Top 1% get 121% of income gains since 2009 (100% of new income + 21% from your old income)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022384139

How the 1 percent won the recovery, in one table
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/11/how-the-1percent-won-the-recovery-in-one-table/

Recovery for the Rich, Recession for the Rest
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rj-eskow/recovery-for-the-rich-rec_b_3910615.html

The Rich Get Richer Through the Recovery
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/the-rich-get-richer-through-the-recovery/

Incomes Flat in Recovery, but Not for the 1%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014400736

U.S. corporate profits stronger than ever, workers' wages fallen to lowest-ever share of GDP (CNN)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021922334

U.S. Income Inequality Now Worse Than Many Latin American Countries
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268073

Ranks of working poor increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022200197

Inequality Rages as Dwindling Wages Lock Millions in Poverty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022198286

The Middle Class In America Is Being Wiped Out – Here Are 60 Facts That Prove It
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022144851

Child poverty rates increase unabated
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268450

40 Percent of Americans Now Make Less than 1968 Minimum Wage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111631016

Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under ‘Anti-Business’ Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014372334

US poverty on track to reach 46-year high; suburbs, underemployed workers, children hit hard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002998131

Poverty, hunger among retirees increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002748342

The Economy is "Recovering" By Creating More Low-Wage Jobs... Increasingly Filled By Graduates
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022602162

"Recovery" in US is lifting profits, but not adding jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014414149

Obama to use pension funds of ordinary Americans to pay for bank mortgage settlements
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002205218

What Recovery? Across America, People in Distressed Cities and Small Towns Face Economic Catastrophe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022545596

Real wages decline; literally no one notices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11172387

Wall Street Soars with Wealth as Wages Stagnate, Jobs Remain in a Slump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12526154

Wages for bottom 90% declined 1.2% during 2009-2011 recovery, top 1% income grew 8.2%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022271466

Three Minimum Wage Jobs Needed To Afford Two-Bedroom Apartment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022578738

Wages have fallen to a record low as a share of America’s gross domestic product.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022183930

The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping toward 75%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022906982

[brush]

67. All that copying and pasting of links but . . .

the first sentence of your post shows that you don't know either that ALL the jobs are low-paying.

"The jobs that have been created in this "recovery" are mostly low-pay service jobs. The truth is that it was not a recovery. It was a restructuring to benefit the One Percent."

All means 100%, not mostly.

C'mon people, is reading comprehension on decline here on DU?

[Cayenne]

26. '73 was the pinnacle of American prosperity

Joe Lunchbox could support a mortgage and family with his blue collar job.

[zeemike]

30. I know that because I was there doing just that.

But Reagan busted that up pretty good.

[brush]

34. Starting with Reagan busting PATCO, the air traffic controllers union . . .

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and then putting in place trickle-down policies — a failed economic system that has been in place ever since except for the robust Clinton years. And if you doubt that trickle-down has killed our economy over time, just look at the dire straits Kansas is in right now with Brownback's failed trickle-down experiment.

And even with Obama in the White House repug obstructionism has reigned.

Want evidence of that other than government shutdowns, no jobs bills from "Jobs, jobs, jobs spouting Boehner and all the jobs shipped overseas by Romney and others like him, remember this:

"On January 20, 2009, the night when the Obama's were attending inaugural balls and most Americans were out celebrating the end of the Bush years, a group of powerful Republicans was planning the end of Obama presidency before it even got going.

At the Caucus Room restaurant right here in Washington, DC - GOP leaders drew up a plan to intentionally sabotage Obama at every point possible. The whole thing was orchestrated by Republican propaganda mastermind Frank Luntz and over the course of four hours, a group of the most powerful conservative lawmakers in the country committed to a plan of action.

They promised each other that they would filibuster and obstruct any and all legislation supported by the new President, Barack Obama. They would do everything possible, for as long as it took, to make his a "failed presidency." On the guest list for this “invitation only” meeting were Republican Senators like Jim DeMint, Jon Kyl, Tom Coburn, John Ensign and Bob Corker. Also in attendance were Congressmen Paul Ryan, Pete Sessions, Jeb Hensarling, Pete Hoekstra, Dan Lungren and - you guessed it - Eric Cantor and Kevin McCarthy."
- See more at: http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2014/06/caucus-room-conspiracy-alive-and-well#sthash.Saek4qMB.dpuf

So you see, there once was time one worker could support a family but Republicans set out to change that 40 years ago and we have the results now. Just think if they had actually worked to help the country instead of helping the one-percenters make more and more money while at the same time trying to destroy Clinton and Obama.

[zeemike]

37. I hear ya, and I agree.

But I don't let the Dems off the hook just because of the GOP...they participated in it...Clinton with NAFTA that put the final nail in manufacturing and jobs in the US...and Obama even with the TPP which will finish the job.
We need new blood in our political system, because all the old boys are under contract by the 1%.

[Andy823]

57. Interesting.

"...Clinton with NAFTA that put the final nail in manufacturing and jobs in the US...and Obama even with the TPP which will finish the job.

Yet up above you said you weren't blaming Obama!

[zeemike]

58. I'm not.

He did not start the fire, but he did little to put it out ethier...we all are responsible for what we do or fail to do...he is no exception.

[Enthusiast]

45. +1 You nailed it.

[Drunken Irishman]

19. The economy is not crap for everyone and the recovery hasn't helped the super rich only.

If that was the case, the U.S. would've slipped even further into a recession and the homeless rate would've doubled or tripled or even quadrupled since Obama came into office. While growth has been stagnant, wages today are higher than the mid-00s - right before the recession:



Total employed people has finally climbed out of the recession hole:



And clearly, the numbers are on the rise - and have been since Obama became president.

As for the labor participation rate - we're dealing with nominal changes over the course of the last 10 years.

In 2004, it was 66%. Today, it's 63%. A three-percent difference coming out of the worst recession in modern history.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. Yeah ... But ...

"I'm not rich so the recovery is crap!"

[bettyellen]

32. Or "I'm so stupid, I thought the financial crash was Obama's fault!" Yeah- let's cater to idiots,

as well ignore as the bigots and sexists. Seeing all those suggestions coming from the same people. No thanks guys!

[brush]

11. Yeah, and you read a lot of the crap being repeated on DU

And the posters argue back and forth about it.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

12. Sooooooo.....

It's not Scottish?

[Faux pas]

14. ...

[Dont call me Shirley]

15. Caucus Room Sedition

http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2014/06/caucus-room-conspiracy-alive-and-well

[rurallib]

23. you could give them a billion dollars and they would bitch

about the color of the green.

[Cha]

31. Mahalo Peacetrain!

[Rex]

35. The M$M controls the flow of information. Comcast might as well be GOPcast.

History will say Obama more than deserved the NPP when his terms are done.


However, that Bush Jr. fella? NO SIR. FUCK HIM. History will not look kindly on his actions.

[Number23]

41. After seeing Greenwald lauded by the usual clowns, I wonder what the response from his supporters

will be now that the UN itself has come out and documented a list of human rights abuses committed by ISIL that it has willingly identified as "staggering" http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/02/us-mideast-crisis-un-idUSKCN0HR0R120141002

Lots of conspiracy theorists and Greenwald supporters -- including some on DU -- have accused the Obama administration of "duping" us with the ISIL threat in Syria or that Khorason Group was some made up children's fairy tale created to drum up support for the war in support of Greenwald.

By every account by anyone that matters, ISIL is so vile that there was no need for anyone to make up anything.

[stevenleser]

50. + infinity nt

[Peacetrain]

53. This is the Pol Pot Cambodian plan put into action again

How people can turn so blindly.. they did the same thing to Cambodia.. the killing fields.. I pulled this out of that chilling article..


(Reuters) - Islamic State insurgents in Iraq have carried out mass executions, abducted women and girls as sex slaves, and used child soldiers in what may amount to systematic war crimes that demand prosecution, the United Nations said on Thursday.

........Women have been treated particularly harshly, the report said: "ISIL (has) attacked and killed female doctors, lawyers, among other professionals."


The killing of the intellectuals and using child soldiers.. same plan different country..

It has been my observation over the years, Libertarians tend to vote Republican because they have so little compassion for their fellow human beings.. It is all about what is good for them and damn the rest of the world

[whereisjustice]

54. lol - Obama unpopular? Its Greenwald's fault! Another war? Damn you Greenwald!!!!!

Have you seen the human rights abuses in India? Especially towards women? Yet somehow I never hear a single objection from conservative extremists in Hillary's camp to the policy of sending millions of US jobs there. Or do you think she's planning to attack India when elected?

During the recession, the number of workers on the fringes of the job market increased. This happened in the last recession, too. But this time around, the jump was massive. It’s declined from its peak, but has been flat at a still elevated level for the past few months.

As significantly, the number of American workers who are on the job-market sidelines is a full 2 percentage points above its pre-recession levels.

That’s a worrying state of affairs and may help explain why job growth continues to chug along, unemployment falls, and yet Americans are barely making any more money.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/03/real-jobs-numbers-sad-state_n_5926898.html

GREEEEEENWAAAAAALD!!!!

[Number23]

59. The only thing I can infer is that you meant to respond to someone else

because this post, in addition to being completely incoherent, has absolutely nothing to do with what my post.

But I've noticed that Greenwald's biggest fans are level C wizards when it comes to ignoring the facts, deflection and minimization. In a few more years, maybe you'll make it to Level B. Endlessly shouting "GREEEEENWALD" pretending that he's a liberal and acting as though he didn't just make a massive career error just may get you there, sport!

[whereisjustice]

60. too funny, you dragged Greenwald into this to say he cares nothing about humand rights

yet you and your closeted republican ilk remain silent on the human rights abuses of this administration and past administrations. For example - jobs to India and China. Where is your outrage? India is ranked in top 5 or 6 places in the world that are the worst for women - that means they are abused and slaughtered.

It is doubtful that ISIS will ever kill as many innocent men, women and children as the US killed during our time in Iraq and Afghanistan, estimated to be well over 100,000.

Yet here you are with your "Damn you GREEEENWALD!!!!!!"

It's time for you to take responsibility for your own misguided actions and stop blaming patriots like Snowden and Greenwald.

[Number23]

61. You do realize that your oft used smiley man is laughing AT you, not with you?

The ENTIRE POINT of this OP is how there are people that are willing to lie to spew the "everything the Obama admin does is crap" line. You need to actually read the OP that you have decided to hurl yourself Ass First into.

Where did I say anything about Greenwald not caring about human rights? If you are going to chase people around and start shit for absolutely no reason, you could at least have the decency to start shit about things they ACTUALLY SAID.

In addition to the many things mentioned in the OP, I contributed the recent story about Greenwald's uncorroborated stories that the Obama admin lied about how big of a threat ISIL was and that they manufactured Khorasan Group. The Reuters article states that the UN has gathered a list of ISIL's "staggering" human rights violations and is trying to garner even MORE support to stop ISIL proves that Greenwald's story was not true.

Now, I understand why that would confuse you and other blinded Libertarian Greenwald supporters. But your attempts to high jack the thread with your completely irrelevant comments about India and now about the war in Iraq are not only pointless but just simply beyond moronic. You need to take responsibility for the fact that you didn't read the OP, are pulling issues out of your behind in order to support Greenwald (oh, how the quality of his supporters speaks VOLUMES about the man) and are attacking me and doing nothing but making yourself look desperate in the process. And doing NONE of this well, might I add.

[whereisjustice]

62. Damn you, Greenwald! You ruin everything! The Kohlrabi Group must be destroyed!

[Number23]

64. As pointless and dumb as this is, it's better than any other argument you've put forth

Congrats on upping your game and for proving so perfectly and so succinctly my previous point about the quality of the man's supporters speaking volumes about him.

[DrDan]

49. we are nearing a mid-term election - what do you expect?

You think they are going to give ANY credit to the President or the Dems?

You don't win elections by doing that, do you?

Do you really expect anything different from them?

[marlakay]

63. pic of Obama in Hitler mustache

In the corner of my small town with table of a couple people talking to the thousands of people here for Oktoberfest.

Walking by them I finally got so angry I said to my husband if they can have free speech so can i...

I said very loudly as I walked by I like Obama and I flipped them off!

You have to know I don't do things like that! I was very mad...I hate the way he is treated. I guess I went down to their level.

[woo me with science]

66. Low-wage jobs replace middle-income work. Welcome to your new low-pay future.

See post 65:

Low-wage jobs replace middle-income work. Welcome to your new low-pay future.
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5622365

First goal is to get corporate money out of politics and government so that

1) the two corporate parties stop working aggressively on behalf of corporate interests and against the interests of the people

and

2) they start pouring resources into actual help for the 99 percent instead of into relentless advertising to put lipstick on this pig of a corporate agenda: protection of criminal banks, corporate schools, Monsanto, drilling, nukes, wars of choice, austerity, TPP, TISA, etc, etc., etc. ad nauseum.

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