The president was no longer laughing: "That man would kill me," he told them flatly..."

[kpete]

"The president had just begun a new campaign-style speech when a man in the crowd, standing less than 50 feet away, interrupted with loud cries. "Antichrist!" the man yelled. "You'll be destroyed!"

As the Secret Service moved in, Obama cracked a joke from the podium to keep things light. He had seen the man before, he said: "He needs to update his material."

Less than an hour later, however, off stage and surrounded again by security and staff members, the president was no longer laughing.

"That man would kill me," he told them flatly..."






http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-secret-service-20141004-story.html#page=1

[MineralMan]

1. There are many people who would assassinate President Obama if they had the chance.

That there have been no serious attempts on his life is due to the careful protection the Secret Service provides. I suspect that we have no idea how much attention is paid to preventing such an incident.

Although incidents like the recent intrusion at the White House get lots of attention, it's important to note that the President was not there at the time. It still should have been prevented in a better way, but there was no actual risk to the President.

[treestar]

3. I have thought this too

With the technology they have, I think the President is safe. Look at how they let he and Biden take a walk to go out to lunch.

Breaches will occur and probably always do. The SS is human, too. Hopefully they remain minor. It is a good point that no one in the First Family was home. If it's going to happen, it's best it be then. And likely because of it, as the focus is elsewhere, where the POTUS is.

[mopinko]

5. drunken agents is inexcusable.

agents who belong on duty, but are passed out drunk in a hotel instead, and ARE NOT EVEN DISCIPLINED, LET ALONE FIRED is not excusable "humanity". it is a breach that deserves a court martial, and an instant firing.

that is what upsets me, no accountability. they are so elite they cant be "wasted" by firing them. bullshit. those agents are a cancer.

[treestar]

6. what did happen to them?

I would think being drunk on any job is going to get you fired.

[mopinko]

16. NOTHING.

[questionseverything]

64. nail meet head

the lack of accountability is always the freaking problem

[Sunlei]

14. I agree, "drunken agents is inexcusable" No drinking on or off duty would be my policy.

No hookers in countries where it is legal OR NOT, no party-time in whatever hotels or countries the President travels to. Those agents should be fired.

There is no 'off duty' for SS employees who travel with the President. They should be ready at a moments notice to 'work'. Same goes for drunk and drinking Congress members. To drink at 'lunch', or in their office is bullshit!

[treestar]

17. +1

that's a serious job, it's not too much to ask that they don't drink at all.

[mopinko]

19. man, i suspect the world would change for the better pretty quick

if you could dry up d.c.
big if. we could reinstate prohibition, and d.c. would be the last town cleaned of drink.
(i'm not saying should, just a little if)

the hookers and all that was what is apparently a "tradition" with the traveling agents. "wheels up party". iow, they are big binge drinkers.
like a bunch of frat boys.

[Iliyah]

32. GOPers ain't having that - LOL

Well only for them but not for thee.

[mopinko]

34. right? honestly i'd be happy

just to get the coke out of d.c.
OOOOooooo how i wish we the people could demand drug testing for congress.

[redruddyred]

96. they demand it of welfare recipients

fair is fair.

[demigoddess]

53. please

it's 'look at how they let him and Biden'

[questionseverything]

63. grandma and youngest daughter were at home

the teenage daughter was coming home

how can we expect potus to do his job if he can not be sure his children are safe?

[markpkessinger]

101. An armed man permitted to ride in an elevator with the President . . .

. . . shots fired into the White House, and an intruder who had come to the attention of the Secret Service getting into the White House and up half a flight of stairs -- and you call these "minor" intrusions????

[treestar]

102. There seem to be a lot of them lately

Three of them this month.

But likely these things have always happened, and we didn't hear of them.

So we've got to keep it in perspective, but it does give pause - a real assassin might be able to figure something out. Shots at the WH don't mean much in that the windows are bullet proof.

Yet the steps that would have to be taken so that no one could ever shoot at the WH would create cries of "police state."

[mopinko]

106. if these things were the norm, no one would have leaked.

and failing to file reports/notify the pres is not a norm that is allowable.
and this goes back to the first state dinner.

and if he had happened to step out onto the truman balcony? or was on the grounds with the dog? or one of the girls was? sorry those shots are a BIG FUCKING DEAL.
the only step that was necessary to stop the shooter was to have the agent that was stationed there stationed there, not off running errands for his boss.

its the lack of accountability that is so very unacceptable. agents passed out drunk in norwegian hotel rooms when they were supposed to be guarding the pres, and nothing happened. there should be zero tolerance for that kind of shit, but apparently there is nothing but tolerance.

[treestar]

107. I mean over time, say during the Reagan or Clinton Administration

I don't think the news could have gotten to these things the same way.

I didn't know they were supposed to be guarding the POTUS when they were in a bar drunk - if it was on their own time, it would be different. Though not a good idea as they could be hung over when on duty. I'm surprised they wouldn't be fired for drinking. I would have thought they had very strict rules.

The Truman Balcony sounds like a place the POTUS should never step out on unless planned.

The last thing that happened was when Reagan actually got shot - was anyone held accountable and was there a lapse?

[mopinko]

109. they reacted appropriately, at least.

you are right that things get out now that didnt used to. but usually there is a motive to that. unless the motive is to give the go ahead to a would be that it is easier than they think, i dont see one here.

but everybody did their job when shots were fired. this time not so much.

[mopinko]

4. my friend, you need to stop defending these people.

shots hitting the truman balcony, a shooter that was in that range because that agent was sent to help the super's girlfriend, that is the shit that a million books would fill if obama is hit.

it will be impossible for the secret service to clear it's name if something happens.
and this democracy will burn to the ground if he is killed.

take this more seriously.
watch rachel.

[MineralMan]

7. I'm not defending anyone. I'm noting that no serious assassination

attempt has occurred. I'm simply stating the facts. Those shots hitting the Truman balcony had no chance of killing the President. The windows there are made of bulletproof materials.

[hedgehog]

9. It may have been an unsuccesful attempt, but I assure you,

in the mind of the gun man, it was a very serious attempt.

BTW - there is no such thing as bulletproof. There is bullet resistant glass out there, but there iwill always a gun somewhere that can fire through it. It's an arms race. It's a matter of the caliber of the gun and the distance from the glass. You can make the glass as thick as you'd like, but then the bullets would go through the walls.

[seabeyond]

12. mmmm, man in elevator, pull gun shoot. now. the couple agents were

watching, and i do nto know that he could have accomplished so there is that.

they werent laissez faire about it, but the man was in elevator that should not have been. if intent was to kill, could have planned

for that matter more than one jump that fence and ran, it could have been a different story too

[mopinko]

22. how much more serious do you want it to get?

will you keep standing up for them till someone gets hurt?
how much more serious does it need to get than windows shot out in the white house?

this ss needs to be TWICE as vigilant. period. there is not room for this.
you need to watch this video.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rachel-maddow/56145662#56145662

eta, several other vids at this link.

[Cha]

86. Thanks.. I agree, Mo. No slack for the SS agents who were responsible for letting

all those breeches happen.. including the displays of drunkenness. smh

I just read at the OP's link that the "breaking point" was..

"This week, as the president accepted agency head Julia Pierson's resignation, White House officials suggested the breaking point was not that a man had jumped a fence and entered the White House last month, but that Pierson had withheld from Obama another breach: an armed security contractor had managed to ride in an elevator with the president".

I always view with skepticism anything that isn't a direct quote.. but if true that's really not good at all to "withhold" something that important from the President and his safety. Ya think!

And, mahalo for the vid.. I've been given the link before but still haven't seen it. Going to right freaking now!

[mopinko]

91. check the other ones that are shown there. she did several days in a row.

i would like to see one of the whistle blowers given a promotion. like, a big one. like, one created by the departure of about half the white house guard at the least.

i still say let michelle point out the traitors. she knows. he doesnt think that way. she does.

[Cha]

94. Yeah, it would be interesting to see Rachel's show after Julia Pierson resigned..

I did read something this morning about Michelle having a lot of confidence in Joe Clancy.. the interim SS Director.. which I can't find but did find this..

Who Is Joe Clancy? Julia Pierson Replaced As Secret Service Head


Joe Clancy (who can be seen to the right of Michelle Obama) stepped in a the interim acting director of the Secret Service after Julia Pierson resigned Wednesday.

snip//

"I'm very pleased," Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the ranking Democrat on the House Government Oversight Committee, told NBC News. "He is a person the president has utmost confidence in -- he will take a bullet for him."

"I knew Joe Clancy when he led the presidential detail," David Axelrod, one of Barack Obama's longest-serving advisers, wrote on Twitter. "You could not find a better person to repair the Secret Service."

snip//

"I appreciate his willingness to leave his position in the private sector on very short notice and return to public service for a period,'' Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson told USA Today of Clancy.

Former Secret Service Director John Magaw said Clancy is a career agent who is “versatile” and “perfect” for the job. "Today, the rain stopped,'' Magaw told USA Today, in reference to the bad news the agency faced the past two weeks. "It's still cloudy, hot and humid. But this is a good move.''

http://www.ibtimes.com/who-joe-clancy-julia-pierson-replaced-secret-service-head-1698144

Jon Stewart on this.. It's good at first and then it just gets too silly, imo..
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/full-episodes/yx09cw/october-1--2014---lena-dunham

[mopinko]

103. i want to see how they handle the leakers.

they deserve a god damn medal. i hope they are treated with the respect that they deserve. like, make one of them director.

[Cha]

118. I haven't read anything much about the "leakers".. mostly from you. I'll have to google,thanks.

[mopinko]

26. and agents that insisted it was gun shots were told to stand down.

no search was undertaken.
no report was made.

THAT is where it gets serious.

[Cha]

88. "car backfiring"? Those agents need to go back to training school or resign and get people

in who know the difference.

snip//

"Rep. Trey Gowdy and Pierson had a contentious exchange over why the Secret Service did not know that the White House had been struck by gunfire until days after the incident. Gowdy repeatedly asked Pierson why a housekeeper -- and not the Secret Service -- discovered the damage to the mansion.

She answered, in part, that agents swept the area that night to look for injuries or an intruder and found nothing. She noted that it was also difficult to see at night."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/30/politics/wh-secret-service-hearing/

Isn't that what strong flashlights are for?

[mopinko]

90. difficult to see at night?

they light that place like it was a vegas casino. wtf.

[Cha]

93. I know.. it was a terrible defense. I just saw Rachel on this and I thank you again, Mo.

It was excellent and gave me a better understanding of what all happened. I didn't know that Omar Gonzalez over powered a SS agent inside the White House. I knew he went further than was initially reported but not that he knocked down an agent to do it.. "5 layers of breech"!

[mopinko]

110. 5 layers at least.

yeah, thank the stars for rachel.

ya know, what happened to air america should really have been investigated by the fcc. but at least we got rachel, senator al franken, mike malloy, marc marron, and more out of the deal.

eta, rachel is about the only teevee thing i try not to miss.

[Shemp Howard]

11. Don't forget that fake sign language translator

No one bothered to check out that fake South African sign language translator. He stood right next to the President for quite some time as Obama talked.

The "translator" was mentally unbalanced. If he had the will and even a small knife on him, it would have been game over.

And of course, how in the world does an intruder get almost as far as the Oval Office? And the elevator incident...

So I agree with you, mopinko. The fact that the President was never harmed is due more to luck than to the competency of the Secret Service.

[seabeyond]

13. i didnt hear about the fake sign language guy. nt

[Shemp Howard]

20. "Translator" details here

It is almost impossible to believe. Yet Obama's security detail let it happen.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/violent-sign-language-interpreters-access-obama-triggers-investigation-v21873839

[seabeyond]

31. thanks for info. interesting. nt

[uppityperson]

60. I forgot about that guy. I was laughing so hard while being very appalled.

They are not guarding him well enough.

[mopinko]

116. nope, they arent.

letting an armed felon in the elevator w him is just beyond the pale.
and the fact that they were having a problem w the man, and he was not dealt with is where it goes beyond being excusable as ignorance.

[zeemike]

81. Sometimes I think these incidents are deliberate.

You know, to send a message to Obama...Sometimes the government run agencies make mistakes, and tragic things can happen sometimes...but don't worry we will probably not fail you...by the way, hows the wife and kids?...good...so how is that TPP coming along?

[mopinko]

115. cant help but agree.

fool me once.......................

eta- the fact hat HE has not made a stink about this makes me EXTREMELY suspicious.

[Major Hogwash]

83. Do you get the sense that MM doesn't take that incident seriously, or is it that he lives in denial?

I mean, if someone did a drive-by shooting of his own home, do you think maybe, just maybe, Mineral Man might think about that incident in a little bit different way?

[mopinko]

114. i have no idea. i have respect for him, but

he does seem to appear in most of these threads with his denials.
maybe he doesnt have all the facts. he doesnt seem to.
that would require some willful ignorance on his part, tho.

[Hippo_Tron]

112. Umm

this democracy will burn to the ground if he is killed.

We have a Vice President specifically to prevent this.

[mopinko]

113. that will not help. the first black president being assassinated after these lapses

will crush the last hope that we still live in a democracy.
the '68 riots will look like a cub scout weenie roast.

[geek tragedy]

8. The Secret Service let a criminal with a gun, who was obviously not playing with a full

deck, on an elevator with the president.

if they can get a guy with a gun on the elevator, they can get a guy with c4 on the elevator.

[treestar]

18. Wow, when was that?

I hadn't heard of it, but would have thought it would be big news. That is not good.

[Fla Dem]

36. Here's the news item.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/armed-former-convict-was-on-elevator-with-obama-in-atlanta/2014/09/30/76d7da24-48e3-11e4-891d-713f052086a0_story.html


"A security contractor with a gun and three convictions for assault and battery was allowed on an elevator with President Obama during a Sept. 16 trip to Atlanta, violating Secret Service protocols, according to three people familiar with the incident."

[treestar]

76. Thanks!

Wow, that's just appalling.

[broiles]

55. Why was the guy allowed to have a gun with his background.

much less get a security job? Even if he was kept off the elevator with the president he shouldn't have a security job or a gun. Doesn't anybody do background checks.

[Sunlei]

62. Our Gov. allows contractors with 'non-felonies' to keep on taking our Federal money for contracts.

A lot of violent domestic crimes result in only misdemeanor convictions.

The State Govs decide what crimes are Felony charge or Misdemeanor charge.

Then our Federal Gov. decided it was ok to hire non Felons. A contractor was convicted for poaching of our wildlife. He has continued to be paid millions for years of contract work with the same wildlife.

[monmouth3]

10. There was certainly a risk to the President's daughter and Michelle's mother. No risk to the

President???? Geez.

[alphafemale]

15. He had just left moments before with his daughters. nt

[mopinko]

23. 5 minutes faster

and someone is at least hurt.

[humbled_opinion]

35. the one that bothered me the most

Was CDC elevator guy with a gun even though he was part of CDC security he was armed and rubbing elbows with the President... Not good lost protocol on that one....

[questionseverything]

66. with all the concern about Ebola outbreak

and the cdc being our go to agency on that and yet they were totally incompetent in their hiring of that security guard

(three assault convictions)

[DinahMoeHum]

49. All I can say is: G*d help the RW in America if ANYTHING. . .

. . .ANYTHING
happens to Obama and/or his family.

Because, as far as I'm concerned, if G*d forbid this happens, THE SKY'S THE LIMIT.

(I leave the rest to your imagination)

[AnalystInParadise]

82. I think that rule applies

to every President............Lots of people want to kill whomever is President at the time.

[Blue_Tires]

119. I think maybe 1 in 10,000 RW nutbars would...

The rest are all talk and no stones...

Either way, I agree that those chances are still way too high...

[mopinko]

2. this is why the ss thing is so incomprehensible to me. that man would kill him.

as would a seemingly endless stream of kooks and unbalanced zealots.
how the hell the ss is crap with THIS PRESIDENT is just beyond something that can be excused as incompetence.

and to crack a joke, man, what is obama made of? titanium nerves.

[ffr]

21. Whisper movement of the RWNJs. n/t

[jwirr]

24. Imagine what it is like to life every hour of your days like that. And it is not just him. It is his

family. This has got to stop. GOTV.

[mopinko]

28. it's real travesty that the first family has to live with this, even at home.

our house has security that is just swiss cheese.

[jwirr]

40. I know and it has always been this way for our presidents. At least since Lincoln.

[mopinko]

51. no, this is unprecedented.

sorry. lincoln was not shot in the white house. correlation fail.

[jwirr]

52. I meant the fear of assassination.

[NastyRiffraff]

25. "Antichrist"

This in itself is a "sign" of danger. A religious nut can justify anything...and I mean anything... if gawd tells him to destroy an "antichrist."

Obigatory caveat: yes, yes, I know not all religious people are batshit crazy.

[Sunlei]

67. pretty sure it was one of those louder republicans who used that word about President O. first.

[Sunlei]

27. I remember when republican media kept publishing exactly where Presidents family was on vacation.

remember?, his daughter in a foreign country on a trip with a friend & big mouth rush? states exactly where she was.

The emails sent out by a republican, "pray the President & his family" die.

Republican-FOX- always keeps their little minion viewers in a frenzy of fear and point their republican fingers- at our President in hopes some idiot acts. Acts just like that crazy, long gun shooter managed to hit the White House.

[Iliyah]

33. Yep. Still doing it but sorta kinda secretive tho.

[Historic NY]

29. Previous admininstration they would have taken him out of the crowd...

its either lack of thinking on both Obama & the SS... Its obvious now that people get by even with screening. All the modern technology in the world will not defeat a determined (foe) or in this case zealots. Technology cannot not win all the time, its fallible.

If the threats keep coming now, just what does the eventual Mr. Obama think will happen when after 2016.

[jwirr]

43. And Ferguson MO will look like a picnic if anything happens to our president.

[knitter4democracy]

100. This is true.

Nothing would polarize us more.

[MsLeopard]

44. If this had happened to Bush Jr

in the US, the SS would have taken the guy out, period, in front of everyone. It would simply not be tolerated for a moment if the idiot prince was to be threatened. I couldn't believe they didn't off the guy who threw the shoes, but he wasn't in this county. Here, he would be dead. Example set. IMO.

[Iliyah]

30. Pres O has the outward strenght and the inward courage.

3x more aggressive threats that any other President in history. Tremendous hatred mostly on the right, some on the left that are just as hateful.

SS person given Pres O's schedule during the 2012 election to RMoney's campaign. I'm pretty there are tons of other eye-opening information ss has.

[EX500rider]

45. "No evidence to support claim about threats against Obama"

Last edited Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:25 AM - Edit history (1)

http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2013/mar/18/julian-bond/no-concrete-evidence-support-claim/


"The incidents of threats against (Obama) are greater than for any other president in modern times," civil rights legend Julian Bond recently said on "The Colbert Report."

PolitiFact Georgia received a request from a reader on Twitter to examine the accuracy of such claims. We tried to reach Bond, but our efforts were unsuccessful. We tried him through the American Program Bureau, a company that has arranged interviews and speeches for Bond. We emailed Bond at American University, where he is an adjunct professor in the School of Public Affairs. We called the university’s communications department, which said it would try to contact Bond for us.

But that December, then-Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan told a congressional committee that the number of threats against Obama had not -- again, had not -- increased by 400 percent.

"The threats right now ... is the same level as it has been for the previous two presidents at this point in their administrations," Sullivan said.
To recap, Bond said "the incidents of threats against (Obama) are greater than for any other president in modern times."

But a former Secret Service director has twice said there has not been an increase. The Secret Service is, well, secret, so they won’t discuss the number of specific threats against Obama.
There’s no concrete evidence that Bond and others have produced to back up their claim.

[justgamma]

97. I don't believe it.

Ever been on a liberal site during Bush? I don't remember any threats to his life. Ever been on a Rw site during Obama? The death wishes they have for him are frightening. May not be "threats" but they make it perfectly clear, they want him dead.

[EX500rider]

111. Please...plenty of people right here make it "perfectly clear" they want/wanted Bush dead.

I doubt Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan lied to a congressional committee. Why would he? More thrteats would have meant bigger budget, more power.

[og1]

37. The message is being sent

Is the secret service sending a message? The presidents life is for sale to the highest bidder? Are they planning on being the king maker? Where was the secret service in Dallas in 63? Are the protectors now the predators or have they always been predators?

[DeadLetterOffice]

41. Conspiracy theory much? Oy. n/t

[Duppers]

47. +1

[left-of-center2012]

38. Quoting the recently resigned Secret Service Director ...

"I assume so."

[Ichingcarpenter]

39. "'the careful protection the Secret Service provides''.

The Gonzales case showed they were careful

Omar Gonzalez 'scaled the fence outside the White House, dashed across the lawn and entered the executive mansion with a knife on September 19'
Senior sources say he made it all the way to the East Room

It means he made it 168 feet into the building after scaling 70-foot lawn

80ft-long East Room is used for formal events including bill signings

A surveillance team outside the fence did not see him and he managed to run past a too-slow Secret Service agent in a booth on the lawn

A dog was released too late and an armed SWAT team failed to reach him before he opened a door, which should have been guarded by an agent

Gonzalez was eventually stopped by a plainclothes off duty agent inside


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2774232/Knife-wielding-fence-jumper-White-House-Secret-Service-let-way-East-Room.html#ixzz3FBspdnIJ
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[Sunlei]

42. They can make that fence hard/impossible to scale & keep it beautiful, for a start!

[Ichingcarpenter]

46. they have motion sensors in and out but

for some reason they didn't work as did the cameras and other discarded protocol coincidences

I'm saying it was just a coincidence and that X vet that jumped the fence was never programmed while he was in the Army to kill people.


Did I mention the agent that tackled him was
OFF DUTY and not a part of that shift that failed at everything?

[Sunlei]

56. The 'off duty' agent should be promoted! I really think 'work on the fence' is good common sense

A bit of "common sense", like with all the hijackings the airlines had suffered, simply locking cockpit doors could have prevented/mitigated some damages from the 9/11 terror-pilots.

[Ichingcarpenter]

58. The Supreme Court later noted, MKULTRA was:

the Supreme Court later noted, MKULTRA was:

concerned with "the research and development of chemical, biological, and radiological materials capable of employment in clandestine operations to control human behavior." The program consisted of some 149 subprojects which the Agency contracted out to various universities, research foundations, and similar institutions. At least 80 institutions and 185 private researchers participated. Because the Agency funded MKULTRA indirectly, many of the participating individuals were unaware that they were dealing with the Agency.[12]

Project MKUltra was first brought to public attention in 1975 by the Church Committee of the U.S. Congress, and a Gerald Ford commission to investigate CIA activities within the United States. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKUltra files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms' destruction order
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra


This isn't just woo it is real

Another person destroyed by MKUltra was the unabomber.......who participated in their experiments unknowingly when he went to college.

But of course the CIA destroyed the program
and listens to the US Congress for oversight these days yet keeps the CIA documents on JFK hidden even after a law was passed that they must release them after 50 years.

Its just all a coincidence

[Sunlei]

65. Americans suffer today with the worse Congress in our history. They throw all of us under their bus

[Ichingcarpenter]

71. You need to rexaminedt the evidence and data again

on what really happened on 911 especially at the Pentagon and what's possible with that plane and terrorist pilots.



http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html

On a side note
My Dad was a pilot and also worked at the Pentagon for the joint chiefs and Andrew's Air Force Base. We lived in Arlington and it took him less time in morning traffic by car to where the F16 were station than any respons that day. Also only one camera footage was released out of the 84


The Bush administration spent 3.4 million dollars on the investigation. which is the cost of one prisoner at Gitmo. So I guess it all solved.

[Sunlei]

72. I don't believe in any conspiracy with 9/11, other than security lapses & lack of common sense.

Like locking cockpit doors after previous 20 or 30 hijackings.

We had couple very crappy presidents who didn't care what their admins did with America, did to Americans or did to anger & upset our very religious (religion is/was their gov)foreign interests.

Religious passion flew those planes into NYC.

Seems to me the 9/11 pilots had successful 'hijackings' and most of them hit their target before they were noticed. I think Bush wanted to shoot down airlines & knew that one pa. flight was for the White House. That's why Cheney went underground fast!, but it was to late. Even commercial air flights were forced to land in Canada. Thank God the Canadians helped the USA flights. Bush would have sent the F16s after all those innocent flights still up in the USA. Very cool your Dad was an F16! pilot.

Also imo, if the city authorities got everyone out of the towers and the surrounding buildings , right away!, many less people would have died.

If the CIA, FBI, President or any agency was watching the hijackers prepare, made reports/knew about the plans and didn't say enough or report anything, that's not a conspiracy it's gross negligence.

[Ichingcarpenter]

80. Show your 'F16 Dad'

on what other pilots say about the physical structural capabilities of the aircraft involved to perform what they said happened.

Let him see the data on the pentagon attack the decent, air speed..etc It is released.. its in my link.

I doubt he, if he is real pilot
can buy the science told to us after evaluating the data.

[Historic NY]

75. He will at least he was diligent.

[3catwoman3]

48. I remember the reports of people being kicked out of...

...Dubya rallies for wearing Kerry T-shirts. Plenty of due diligence there.

Way, way too many lapses here. This is unforgivable.

[George II]

50. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but....

....one has to wonder if all these security lapses during Obama's Presidency are unconsciously intentional?

America is STILL a racist country - maybe not like the '50s or '60s, but certainly still racist.

[Maineman]

59. Leaking Obama's schedule during the campaign was not "unconsciously" intentional.

Where is that person now? How many right wing racists are in the Secret Service? I am pretty sure there are Bush supporters (defenders) in the Justice Department -- Bush helped get them the Civil Service appointments they needed. (That is based on my recall of some report.)

[ReRe]

54. I know I am not alone...

... in worrying for the President's welfare since he was elected in Nov of 2008. With the number of threats against his life since he's been in the WH, I must say the SS has done its job. But they sure did fall off the wagon in the last month or so. What I would like to know is where they were when the late intruder got over the fence and all the way to and inside the door.

[TheCowsCameHome]

57. Some jackwagon on townhall.com

posted words a few days ago to the effect "Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when we need him?"

There are lots of loonies out there that would like to see the President harmed.

[Ichingcarpenter]

61. Lee Harvey Oswald was at a CIA meeting

CUBAN EXILE MILITANT CLAIMS CIA MEETING WITH OSWALD BEFORE JFK KILLING


A former Cuban exile anti-Castro militant told a conference audience Sept. 26 in a blockbuster revelation that he saw accused presidential assassin Lee Harvey Oswald with their mutual CIA handler six weeks before the killing and there would have been no anti-Castro movement in Cuba without the CIA funding.

Antonio Veciana, the acknowledged leader of the Alpha 66 assassination squad of Cuban exiles in the early 1960s, made the statements in a dignified but emotion-laden manner at this year's major conference analyzing the Warren Commission report on murder of President John F. Kennedy Nov. 22, 1963 in Dallas. Alpha 66 is alleged to have tried to kill Cuban leader Fidel Castro on two occasions, but Veciana, a onetime certified public accountant for a wealthy Cuban in the years before the revolution, has never been been charged with an attempt.

David Atlee PhillipsSeparately, the general counsel of the last major government investigation into the killing issued a statement saying the CIA had deceived him and the rest of the public during the late 1970s inquiry into the validity of the Warren report. Former House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) General Counsel G. Robert Blakey issued the statement during the conference Sept. 26-28 organized at the Bethesda Hyatt Regency Hotel in Bethesda, MD by the Assassination Archives and Research Center (AARC).

Veciana said he is convinced the CIA organized the president's murder and that he saw Oswald meeting with a CIA official in Dallas because Veciana arrived at his meeting fifteen minutes too early. Veciana said he believes Oswald was a CIA operative whom the agency decided to blame for a killing it organized in a complex plot.

http://www.justice-integrity.org/

[questionseverything]

69. the kennedy assassination tapes show

the ss being pulled back from the rear bumper of the car...and the ss guy questioning it

[Ichingcarpenter]

70. The Secret Service protocols were compromised

including the turn and route plus no agents in that area this is documented now





Now with Obama

Before
.... Agents with hookers in Central America? Drunken actions in Europe? And these are the ones we know about. Compromised or blackmailed much? Now who supplied the hookers?

I still question that an off duty good guy SS agent that tackled that zombie whereas those on duty didn't.

[newblewtoo]

68. How many runs did the Saudi's make

before finally taking down The Towers? Here is yet another recent lapse in security and vetting.



An unidentified man posing as a member of Congress made it into a secure area backstage at President Barack Obama’s appearance at a Congressional Black Caucus Foundation awards dinner in Washington Sept. 27, according to a White House official.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-03/bogus-congressman-said-to-get-backstage-at-obama-event.html

A bogus congressman. It would make a great joke if not so serious.

Can anyone say for sure that these are not all just probing attempts to find a final weakness? Michelle must be out of her mind with fear for herself and her family. And it most certainly must be a distraction for President Obama despite his stoic front.

[Rex]

73. And Repukes would cheer the man on!

Yet I am supposed to be NICE and CIVIL when I write about GOPukers...FUCK THAT, THEY WANT TO KILL THE POTUS! Get with the program people!

I worry about Obama's safety! Bush/Cheney had a small ARMY of security where ever they went...WTF is going on here!?

[Hekate]

74. Just read the whole article at my kitchen table in the Times. I hope they follow up...

... with more investigative reporting recommending what should be done, and done immediately.

[treestar]

105. CNN should spend as much time on this as they did on MH370

or Benghazi. It's just as big a deal as salute-gate, at least. Watch them ignore it, relatively speaking.

[Hekate]

117. No. This is a job for intelligent & thoughtful reporting, not 24/7 bloviating to no purpose.

Sorry to be harsh, but I have no respect for what they did.

[AnAzulTexas]

77. It's true

I've been worried about this man's security since day 1. Our government agencies are pretty well known for pulling coups

[blkmusclmachine]

78. Obama needs one of these, just in case Gawd is distracted.

[blkmusclmachine]

79. Image URL http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/15/article-1311980-0B30ACA2000005DC-662_634x412.jpg

Caption is mine.

[StoneCarver]

84. Chill out!

Have you ever been to an Obama event. I was at one and worked it this summer. The Secret Service was the most uptight bunch of people I've ever seen -bar none! These folks (men and women) are paid to be paranoid and they did not disappoint. The layers of security was mind boggling. The firepower each layer carried was shocking. It started to make me a little paranoid just being around them all. Nice people but uptight as all get out. I could never do it, I'm glad some people do want to. God Bless them. No wonder they get a little sauced and blow off steam -it's a high pressure gig.
Stonecarver

[mopinko]

92. really. i was at one during the campaign. i was on the rope line. i disobeyed orders.

i had a book that i wanted autographed. i kept it in a tote bag. i had it in my hands as he walked down the line. they told us to put our hands up. i held up my book.
they told me to put it down. when he got to me, i shoved it toward him. he told me to give it to the detail.
i thought they might have shot me for it. i wondered why they didnt tackle me or something.
now i get it.
srsly, i went to several small event where a few hundred bucks would have got you a pretty good shot.

[treestar]

104. The closest I came to them was in 1992

Al Gore was running for VP and had an event on the green in New Castle, Delaware. We heard that every house on the Green was checked out and every window checked.

I actually shook Al's hand there. As he got close enough to us to do that, we could see the SS agents there looking at everything surrounding him. They were totally concentrated on watching every move we made.

[mopinko]

108. i have been to quite a few events,

and got to shake hands a few times. in fact, i got to have a nice chat with him when he was running for senate. there have been quite a few cozy hometown events, and i try not to miss them.

but i tell ya, when you buy the big ticket, you get to feeling entitled. even me, who is not usually like that, i wanted my book signed, and i knew people with enough brass got that. so i put on my brass, disobeyed the ss, and lived to tell the tale.
now, they ran us through the magnetometer, and looked in the bags.
but it was pretty cursory. it was a looooong damn line, one of the last events of 2012.

i dont think it is that hard to get to him, i really dont.

[rtracey]

85. I'd do it

I'm 56, but I would help protect him in a heartbeat. The whitehouse could call me tomorrow, and I'd be there. There is absolutely ZERO excuse or tolerance for ANY Secret Service not doing their job...

[The Wizard]

87. And kill him

in the name of an imaginary sky hero.

[DallasNE]

89. This Is A Predictable Consequence

Of 6 years of uninterrupted hate spewing from the likes of Rush Limbaugh.

[maindawg]

95. THe SS is a fucking joke

They allowed Our president to be executed in 19 and fucking 63 so fuck them times 10

[defacto7]

98. Be safe, Mr. President.

Stay safe.

[MADem]

99. There is a company in Colombia that makes beautiful ballistic clothing.

It is high fashion, really nice stuff and they have a few basic items plus they can make clothing to order. Except for the weight, you would be hard pressed to know that you were wearing anything except a nice suit, jacket or coat.

They also make a tee shirt that will stop a bullet but isn't one of those bulky things.



They have a division working in USA, too. They're the ones that invented the "school shooting backpack" for kids to hide behind...

http://miguelcaballero.com/prensa/

I think the taxpayers should invest in some of this for the POTUS and family. Hell, it's obvious they need an "extra layer" of security--they may as well wear it since they aren't getting it from staff.