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Javaman

(62,497 posts)
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:03 AM Oct 2014

The draft.

I know I would get you with that headline.

First and foremost, I am against it.

Now that said...

This is a thought exercise.

What if, the draft was always in effect BUT was only contingent on any sort of military action. Not an act of war or congressional approval.

that means any time a president were to commit troops to any sort of action, a draft would automatically kick in.

The draft would call up an set amount of number based in part on the amount of reserves and standing army we commit.

For example: 1000 troops go to war, 10% have to be drafted: 100.

More over, the draftable age would be from 18 to 60.

There would be no exceptions nor deferments.

No exemptions for congress people or the rich.

No buying off of conscriptions (which would surely happen)

All would serve regardless of physical state.

A position would be found for that person to work.

My point in this thought exercise is this, if there is potentially skin in the game (for everyone)any time we commit military forces to any conflict, our leaders would have to think long and hard before committing any troops. Otherwise the draft kicks in.



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The draft. (Original Post) Javaman Oct 2014 OP
Skin in the game would quickly change public opinion war, no question. Scuba Oct 2014 #1
That's pretty much what turned people against Vietnam. KamaAina Oct 2014 #31
That's the way I remember it, and believe that's why Nixon ended the draft. Scuba Oct 2014 #36
It's interesting as a thought experiment el_bryanto Oct 2014 #2
You would kill a lot of reluctant, poorly trained soldiers hack89 Oct 2014 #3
I know many people who think that volunteers... peace13 Oct 2014 #12
Any one who voluntarily enlists in a time of war knows what the risks are. hack89 Oct 2014 #13
My point is that the volunteer is no more expendable than the draftee. peace13 Oct 2014 #14
still have my 4f draft card--just in case... but over 60 now dembotoz Oct 2014 #4
I'm 51. I would be eligible in this fictitious scenario. Javaman Oct 2014 #8
How many miles can you run with a 75 pound backpack? FSogol Oct 2014 #38
did you actually read my post? Javaman Oct 2014 #39
I didn't accuse you of being pro-draft, but the notion of drafting 45-60 year-olds is ludidrous. FSogol Oct 2014 #40
Yeah, I think many here miss the days of DU2. nt With whom Oct 2014 #41
Been there, done that, don't recommend it pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #5
Well said. H2O Man Oct 2014 #6
And again, this is just a thought experiement, not an advocaiton for the draft. Javaman Oct 2014 #10
Yes, I understood that. H2O Man Oct 2014 #28
How about other conscripted service? malthaussen Oct 2014 #21
The WPA & CCC camps H2O Man Oct 2014 #29
Ah, making it part of the curriculum hadn't occurred to me. malthaussen Oct 2014 #37
I think what you are missing or I didn't explain well... Javaman Oct 2014 #9
If I called my reply a "thought experiment" would that make it okay? pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #19
It's my conviction now that public opinion did little to end the war. malthaussen Oct 2014 #20
Then why did Nixon announced that no more draftees would be sent to Vietnam in 1972? Brother Buzz Oct 2014 #22
Nixon said what the public wanted to hear. malthaussen Oct 2014 #24
Of course public opinion ended the war. Do you upaloopa Oct 2014 #27
Nuts Savannahmann Oct 2014 #7
oh for crying out loud. Javaman Oct 2014 #11
Pfui. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #15
holy crap. Javaman Oct 2014 #25
Didn't work before, but perhaps mandatory military service would... Historic NY Oct 2014 #16
Canada would get a population boost. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #17
It would just show how little they care about public opinion. malthaussen Oct 2014 #18
I do not want to put my life in the hands of someone there unwillingly. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #23
No one ever brings up the real issue that the upaloopa Oct 2014 #26
You got me to reread parts of the Constitution. Thanks Deny and Shred Oct 2014 #30
I'd leave the country - TBF Oct 2014 #32
Nope. Xolodno Oct 2014 #33
damn Javaman--its like you proposed eating kittens dembotoz Oct 2014 #34
I really think gladium et scutum Oct 2014 #35
Military currently turns away 80% of volunteers today madville Oct 2014 #42

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. It's interesting as a thought experiment
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:09 AM
Oct 2014

Because it might well have the consequences you envision. Alternatively - before any military action is taken an automatic tax kicks in to pay for it - the tax goes through the payroll tax system so that everybody sees a smaller paycheck.

In the real world though - before that bill got to the floor deferments would get put back in. Congress people would almost certainly agree that some people shouldn't have to serve.

Bryant

hack89

(39,171 posts)
3. You would kill a lot of reluctant, poorly trained soldiers
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:12 AM
Oct 2014

In todays hightech military it takes at least a year to train someone to be competent in the basic skills and several years beyond that for more advance skills. There does not appear to be time in your proposal to give these draftees adequate training.

There is a reason why the military prefers volunteers - they have them long enough to acquired the skills and experience that a conscript army cannot match.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
12. I know many people who think that volunteers...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:10 AM
Oct 2014

know they could be killed and sign up anyway and so if they die, so be it. It is sick but I have heard it from family and friends ....time and again.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. Any one who voluntarily enlists in a time of war knows what the risks are.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:13 AM
Oct 2014

each death is a tragedy still but it is worlds away from forcing someone to fight and get killed.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
14. My point is that the volunteer is no more expendable than the draftee.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:25 AM
Oct 2014

So many don't care if a soldier dies because he/she thought it was worth the money. Americans don't worry about war because they have these people who volunteer to fight it. Lazy thinking and that results in bad policy.

When my son signed up with selective services it was heart wrenching. I grew up watching the Vietnam war on the TV . I have respect for anyone who can survive war and the threat of having to go.

Javaman

(62,497 posts)
8. I'm 51. I would be eligible in this fictitious scenario.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:53 AM
Oct 2014

I put it at 60 so that I wouldn't be looked upon as a hypocrite for my thought experiment

Javaman

(62,497 posts)
39. did you actually read my post?
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:57 AM
Oct 2014

if you did, you'd have your answer.

it's obvious I poked the bee hive with this post.

I'm stepping away because, although my point was very innocent, many on this thread have accused me of being "pro draft" which I am sooooooooo not.

anyone who actually knows me in person and any long time poster here on DU knows full well my complete opposition to a draft of any kind.

my point with this post was to create a conversation about the draft and how it is used as a lightening rod to pit classes against each other. but I either didn't make that clear in my original post or it was completely missed.

so I'm done. this is my last reply.

it's readily apparent that a DU that once existed that allowed for adult discussion of controversial topics no longer exists.

this is the main reason why I don't post on DU that much anymore. I find it just another echo chamber of back slappers.

Cheers and good luck to you.

FSogol

(45,435 posts)
40. I didn't accuse you of being pro-draft, but the notion of drafting 45-60 year-olds is ludidrous.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 10:07 AM
Oct 2014

Sorry, you missed that point.
As to what you are saying about pitting "classes against each other", I have no idea what you mean.
And before you criticize us of avoiding adult discussions or being back slappers, you're the one taking your toys and going home because your "wonderful idea" was poked full of holes.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
5. Been there, done that, don't recommend it
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:37 AM
Oct 2014

My Vietnam draftee Army service number was US56704XXX.

The draft obviously helped mobilize opposition to the Vietnam War, but that was not enough to end it before it had gone on for more than 10 years with more than 58,000 war dead. Most of the KIAs were enlistees, but the rest were other mothers' sons who did not want to go, but were compelled by the draft.

"All would serve regardless of physical state" is impossible. There are physical and mental conditions that must be excluded, as well as criminal background standards.

A serious problem in attempting to construct a "fair" draft is that the wealthy, powerful, privileged elites can always find a doctor who will cater to their wishes and make sure that their little princes, their fortunate sons, will be ineligible.

A fair draft that operates to promote peace is a nice thought, but we've been there before and nobody has yet figured out a practical way to make that actually work.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
6. Well said.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:39 AM
Oct 2014

Very well said, indeed.

Advocating for a draft is a shortcut to rational thinking. Social justice cannot be promoted by way of denying any group of people their constitutional and human rights.

Javaman

(62,497 posts)
10. And again, this is just a thought experiement, not an advocaiton for the draft.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:58 AM
Oct 2014

as I stated in my opening post. I am not for a draft.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
28. Yes, I understood that.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:35 PM
Oct 2014

My apology if my response was not clear -- I did not intend it as a statement about your OP. I think that the OP raises a valid and important topic of discussion.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
21. How about other conscripted service?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:36 AM
Oct 2014

Since we're doing thought experiments, I've toyed with the concept of a universal WPA-Todt Organization kind of thing where HS grads are conscripted for 2 years of public service, be it infrastructure work, admin, or military/law enforcement. The idea is the old chestnut of "bringing together people from all walks of life" to promote sympathy towards one another. Still conscription, but then so is wage slavery.

-- Mal

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
29. The WPA & CCC camps
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:43 PM
Oct 2014

were wonderful programs. There is a very real need, in my opinion, to bring about an updated version of them. And it need not involve conscription.

Young adults in high school benefit from "community service." (All ages do, actually.) Having community service for a semester or two of public education has potential. More, those who graduate, but are either unsure about further education, or can't afford it, would benefit from having a national community service program; it could pay "pocket money" and provide a lump sum for college. More, an updated program could be available for any/all adults who are out of work, and in need of a job to make ends meet.

There are many options. The question, "But how would it be paid for?" is relatively simple: a good program of this sort could be financed by ending any one of the numerous small, undeclared wars our nation is engaged in. Start investing in America and Americans. It would help the economy, and all of the communities served.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
37. Ah, making it part of the curriculum hadn't occurred to me.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:38 AM
Oct 2014

My memories of high school are pretty vague these days, but I'm quite sure there were enough useless courses to find room for community service instead. But the program would also have to be required of charter schools, or the privileged class would still be able to evade it. Given how hard the ruling class is working at driving wedges between people, I think they would not much love a program that strives to do the opposite.

-- Mal

Javaman

(62,497 posts)
9. I think what you are missing or I didn't explain well...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:57 AM
Oct 2014

the draft would only go into effect when military intervention involved.

And the concept of a draft would be directly a part of any decision.

meaning, while having and all volunteer force is currently our set up, only 1% of the population understand the ramifications of going to war in the tangible sense.

if there were an automatic draft, the American public would be more so inclined to pay attention to our involvement around the world if there were no exceptions or deferments.

again, this is a thought experiment and I'm not advocating for such a thing.

I clearly stated in my opening post that I'm against the draft.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
19. If I called my reply a "thought experiment" would that make it okay?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:29 AM
Oct 2014

Maybe I just forgot to say the magic words!

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
20. It's my conviction now that public opinion did little to end the war.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:31 AM
Oct 2014

Which makes your points even more apposite. I think we left Vietnam because Kissenger and Nixon decided they preferred detente over containment. The masses in the streets could have protested another 20 years and it wouldn't have made any difference otherwise.

-- Mal

Brother Buzz

(36,364 posts)
22. Then why did Nixon announced that no more draftees would be sent to Vietnam in 1972?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:13 PM
Oct 2014

Public opinion made a huge impact on ending the war, and the Nixon administration was taking heat for not implementing the "secret plan" to end the war quick enough. Hell, half his 1968 platform was just that, withdraw from Vietnam.



malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
24. Nixon said what the public wanted to hear.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:23 PM
Oct 2014

Utterances by politicians to get elected do not demonstrate that public opinion impacts policy, just propaganda. Nixon's "secret plan" was to invade Cambodia and Laos and interdict the Ho Chi Minh trail. When that didn't pan out, he went with the political option. He and Kissenger were eager to open up China and to work out detente with the USSR. These goals were incompatible with trying to prop up Western imperialism in south Asia.

Better to ask, "why was the draft eliminated in 1974?" There, you might be able to make a case that public opinion influenced policy. However, the counter-argument would be that the draft was no longer necessary because the withdrawal from Vietnam would cause a draw-down in military strength. Since Vietnam, we have found ways other than universal conscription to fill out the needed military rosters. Including making troops serve multiple deployments instead of a one-year tour (and two elsewhere).

-- Mal

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
27. Of course public opinion ended the war. Do you
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:54 PM
Oct 2014

ever wonder why we don't see some Walter Cronkite type person bringing war footage to your TV screen every night?
It's because people got tired of the war in Vietnam when the truth was shown them night after night. They demanded an end to the war

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
7. Nuts
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:53 AM
Oct 2014

First, what is the purpose of an Army, or for that matter, a Military? Is it to find work for anyone regardless of physical state? No, it's single purpose in life is to kill people and destroy things, or be prepared to do so on a moments notice.

Second, according to Churchill, it takes two years to make a soldier. It is more than basic training, it is the creation of a unified fighting force. Time for the people to learn how to apply the most basic of lessons from the boot camp to the actual art of fighting a war. Stalin disagreed, he said it took five minutes. Five minutes in combat and the soldier had learned everything there was to know about being a soldier, if he survived. More than half of those so initiated into battle managed to survive the first five minutes.

Conscript Armies are suitable only as cannon fodder. Further, it's viewed as the worst example of forced labor.

This is what Cannon Fodder looks like. The Hollywood version anyway. Notice how only half those attacking have rifles. Russia didn't have enough rifles to give everyone a weapon on those suicide charges.



So if you want your military to win wars, then you do not want a conscripted army. If you want your army to be a deterrent to going to war, for you and you alone, then the draft rule you propose is probably the best of the stupidity currently out there. The only way to accomplish this in less than two years is to have the draft always active, and all soldiers subject to years of recall until they are too old to really serve anymore. So either it takes too long to be really effective, or it requires everyone to report to the military on their 18th year of life. Which do you choose?

Your idea is to prevent war by nationalizing any military action into automatic conscription. But this is one of the dumbest ideas that keeps coming back to be reconsidered. It means that our military would have to be larger than it already is, and we'd have to spend even more than we do now. History shows that those who spend more on militaries, inevitably use them. They will find a reason to use the Army they have sunk so much money into.

Here's why I say that. You would have to have a rifle for every single soldier. If your maximum military size is thirty million, you would have to have uniforms, boots, and rifles available to be issued to the thirty million draftees. Then you would have to have facilities. Huge bases sitting empty with the doors locked? No. You would have to have a cadre of people who made sure that all the facilities were ready to be used on a moments notice. Barracks that were painted on a schedule, doors repaired, and all electrical systems checked on schedule. Figure one in twenty of what would be there when the base went active. So a million soldiers busy all the time keeping the equipment ready for the thirty million soldiers you would have in case of an emergency. That is larger than our current force, and we'd have to spend billions more every year just maintaining the facilities and paying the soldiers.

Now, this gives you thirty million riflemen. That by the way is called a peasant army. It's what China used in the Korean War in the 1950's. It doesn't work, and it is a fast way to lose a lot of people to no gain.

So we would need trucks, tanks, planes, and all that support equipment like mobile army hospitals. Figure five trillion dollars to buy all this crap. The navy would need ships as well, so another ten trillion dollars as a wild guess for the fleet that we would need to cover this enormous army you're proposing. It would take five years of using every single cent of the Federal Budget to do this. That leaves not one thin dime for any other single thing, like education, health care, and I could go on and on.

The purpose of this kind of proposal is the idea that everyone has skin in the game. that the rich and powerful can not order the poor to go off and fight without risking themselves. Show me a time in history where Universal Conscripted Service was a deterrent to war. Both Germany and France had Universal Service in 1914 and went to war. In fact France thought England was weak because they did not have conscripts. Russia, Austria, and Italy had Universal Service.

What about exemptions for vital industries? Under your plan, we could well lose a significant percentage from all industries. how are you going to support that Army when ten percent of the dockworkers are in uniform? Who would make the war materials?

This is so obviously a horrible idea that I am not surprised it crops up every time the President sends the troops anywhere. If you really want to stop your own nation from attacking anyone, you do so by giving them a military too small to actually attack someone. That was the purpose behind the arms control treaties after the First World War. It was designed to make it possible to defend, but impractical, or even impossible to successfully attack another. You could not have a sufficiently large enough numerical advantage to be given good odds of winning a war.

I wish that our side would think about these things before they bring up this horrible idea that does nothing to achieve the goals they desire, and only shows how out of touch with reality we are. The goal is admirable, to give some restraint before deploying our troops anywhere. The method is the one thing in the world guaranteed to have the exact opposite effect. It would bankrupt us, and it would send us off to war in the "use it or lose it" justification. Like Austria, we couldn't afford to have a call up of the forces without actually going to war and getting some gains to defray the cost.

Javaman

(62,497 posts)
11. oh for crying out loud.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:04 AM
Oct 2014

do you understand the concept of a thought experiment?

I clearly stated in my opening op that I. AM. NOT. FOR. A. DRAFT.

AND my point is, if any and all military involvement by our nation was contingent on the concept that the nation as a whole must take a roll in such a situation, then all would pay more attention to what our government does and how it uses our military to insert itself into areas around the world were we have no business to be?

see?

this isn't about the "oh someone always brings this up every now and then blah blah blah". NO. this is about a thought experiment as to how the nation would react to such a concept.

Right now only 1% of the nation has any sort of "skin in the game" when it comes to our military involvement and as such no one pays the least bit attention these days to just how much we are "involved" around the world.

"oh another war?" "Oh we are fighting were?" "I didn't know that".

It's about calling to attention to our nations ignorance to our military policy.

that is the point of the thought experiment.

it's an experiment not advocating.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
15. Pfui.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:39 AM
Oct 2014

A thought experiment? Nuts. It's a strawman argument plain and simple. It's as disingenuous as those who blame the victim for being raped. They say things like. "I'm not saying I support rape, but if you dress like that you're asking for it." I not only reject those arguments out of hand. I eschew them. I denigrate and mock those who make such asinine statements.

It has no place in any discussion. If you were really opposed, you would say something like this. Representative Rangel called for the Draft to fight ISIS. Obviously, Representative Rangel is wrong, and here's why.

Your technique is the way you can propose an idea, and argue in favor of it, but pretend that you are against it.

It's a stupid idea. I've outlined the reasons why above. The argument that it would have everyone put skin in the game is dumber than anything else. That it would get people engaged, yeah. The Democratic Party saw that in 1968 didn't they? Did it end the war? Not so much. The war was still going on during the next Presidential election.

It's not a thought experiment, it's advocacy while pretending not to advocate. It's the same stupid thing men do to women who have been victims of sexual assault. It's the same stupid thing whites do to justify abuse of Blacks. It's the same stupid thing that people were and are doing to Michael Brown. Well, he attacked the cop and got what he deserved.

It is a pitiful debate tactic. It is one I would recognize if we were debating as part of a project. Say we were two students studying how to debate, and one must take the asinine side of the issue. But on a message board where there is nothing to gain even a passing grade? Not even close.

It's like that jackass Sheriff who said the Deputy was perfectly right in arresting the woman who didn't want to go out with him, since she was "resisting". It is the worst possible debate tactic to use. Post a thought experiment justifying racism, or sexism. Well why don't you? I'll tell you why, because everyone would see through that as nothing more than thinly veiled advocacy too. But if I read it, I'd be happy to destroy those arguments as easily as I destroyed this one.

Javaman

(62,497 posts)
25. holy crap.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:32 PM
Oct 2014

do even a mild search here on DU and it will show I have a history of opposing any sort of draft, talking of draft and calling out of anyone even mentioning of a draft.

you don't want to discuss, you want to pontificate.

now go away.

people such as you are completely and utterly exhausting.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
16. Didn't work before, but perhaps mandatory military service would...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:59 AM
Oct 2014

like many countries have. Perhaps it could be used to pay off the student loans.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
18. It would just show how little they care about public opinion.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:23 AM
Oct 2014

First of all, "no exceptions nor deferments" is a fantasy that I cannot suspend disbelief enough to accept. There is no way legislators and their handlers will subject their precious little babies to potential harm. Absent that, they don't care how many of us they get killed.

Even if I could allow myself to accept that condition just to humor you, the children of the rich and powerful would coincidentally find nice, safe billets far from where the bullets are flying. There are enough low-level paper-shovelling jobs in the Pentagon to accommodate the offspring of the 1%, so they still would not hesitate in sending the rest of us off to die.

-- Mal

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
23. I do not want to put my life in the hands of someone there unwillingly.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:16 PM
Oct 2014

The same reason military leaders don't favor the draft.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
26. No one ever brings up the real issue that the
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:47 PM
Oct 2014

draft during the Vietnam war enabled President Johnson to keep escalating the war.
Without the draft troops in Iraq and Afghanistan had to do repeated tours. That was not good but at least we were limited in a way to only the volunteers.
I was drafted and was sent to Vietnam. I never was hung ho. I was not a good troop.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
30. You got me to reread parts of the Constitution. Thanks
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:46 PM
Oct 2014

Article One, Section Eight : "Congress shall have the power ... To Declare War ... To raise and support Armies but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years." The 'declare war' part has been hijacked by the Commander in Chief since WW2, and the 'two years' part has been completely forgotten sans amendment. Congress has been more than happy to be relieved of the re-elctorial stigma.

How's this for a thought exercise : Any politician who votes to go to war will have their children and grandchildren serve in forward areas, no exceptions. They are the very first boots on the ground.

A precondition would be that AUMF-type resolutions, presidential decrees and police actions are made vertboten again, like the document says. Congress doesn't get to punt on the 'going to war' issue . If the idea is to put skin in the game, it would mean that Congress only votes for military action when they TRULY believe in it.

TBF

(32,000 posts)
32. I'd leave the country -
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:47 PM
Oct 2014

and so would everyone else who can (1) afford it and (2) have other countries to go to. I have both.

I'm antiwar and vote accordingly.

Xolodno

(6,383 posts)
33. Nope.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 06:00 PM
Oct 2014

Not for it.

Better idea....and one advocated by John Maynard Keynes....raise taxes during time of war to pay for it.

I say take it a step further...tax all businesses as well. If a family has someone in the military...then they don't get taxed. Also have a minimum income level before the tax kicks in.

Obviously, a corporation doesn't have "family" so they get no exemptions.

But wealthier people and businesses would soon start feeling the bite of war....and change their tune fast.

dembotoz

(16,784 posts)
34. damn Javaman--its like you proposed eating kittens
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 06:13 PM
Oct 2014

understood the thought experiment.....
opened a few wounds i think

gladium et scutum

(806 posts)
35. I really think
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 06:42 PM
Oct 2014

Drafting the President of the United states, a pregnant 18 year old girl, a blind type II diabetic and Alzheimer stricken sixty year old will really enhance the quality of our armed services. I would hope that you would have a chance to serve in combat with such comrade in arms.

madville

(7,403 posts)
42. Military currently turns away 80% of volunteers today
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 10:30 AM
Oct 2014

A draft in this modern age would be completely impractical and inefficient, you don't just take people off the street and throw them a bag of uniforms and a weapon. When I joined it took a solid year of training before I was even transferred to my permanent unit to actually do the job.

Is this draft going to draft equal numbers men and women? Are they going to allow for current and previous drug use? (because the current military doesn't). Obesity? (that eliminates half the population right off the bat). What about single parents, where do the kids go?

Plus the age thing, most services now cut off new recruits around age 35, it varies some depending on the branch.

The military branch I was in, nowadays you can't even join if you have bad credit since almost everyone now has to maintain a SECRET clearance at a minimum.

My point is, in order for this draft you propose to take affect the military would pretty much have to throw every rule, regulation and screening factor they currently employ out the window. It would be extremely dangerous, unnecessary, impractical, inefficient, and detrimental to overall moral. Of course, the end goal of your draft is not to produce the best fighting force, it is to make a political statement in the hopes that some rich person or politician or one of their family members gets drafted.



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