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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:19 PM Oct 2014

Corrupt Police Department Disbanded In Florida

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/10/05/waldo-police/

The town of Waldo, Florida is one of only two towns in the US listed by AAA as “Speed Traps,” a distinction it shares with Lawley, Florida. The bane of drivers, and their insurance companies for years, Waldo wrote a record 11,603 traffic citations last year.

This push for traffic violations resulted in almost half of the towns $1 million annual budget being covered by court fines. This should have been a red flag, but it took until several officers reported to the city council that the town’s Police Chief, Mike Szabo, has enacted an illegal traffic ticket quota, requiring them to write at least one traffic ticket per hour.

Initially, the officers attempted to resolve the issue quietly, working through the proper channels and going to the city council to have the problems addressed. Unfortunately, the culture of corruption was too embedded, an issue made clear after the cities manager, Kim Worley, broke whistleblower protection laws and informed the Chief Szabo of the concerns raised to the city council. This forced the officers to go to the media, with their complaint stating,

City manager Worley broke the trust of the concerned members and went straight to Chief Szabo. Chief Szabo then took a retaliatory stance against the members for approximately six months.

This began a month of drama for the town, as the city council attempted to resolve the issues. But last week, they had to conclude, there was no saving the police department. So, they made the decision to disband the police department. The city council now will have to face the reality that they cannot count on a half million in traffic tickets coming through their courthouse next year, a situation which they had likely encouraged, or at least turned a blind eye to. After all, the money was coming from people out-of-town, those who had few options for recourse after being written a ticket.


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Corrupt Police Department Disbanded In Florida (Original Post) KamaAina Oct 2014 OP
Well that's great news! EX500rider Oct 2014 #1
The Alachua Sheriffs Dept is patrolling down there now NightWatcher Oct 2014 #3
Tom Petty's aunt is the Sheriff, I believe. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #21
I bet she Won't Back Down. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #29
If you don't laugh at your own stuff, won't work on anyone else Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #32
the problem of letting the police cash in on their work samsingh Oct 2014 #2
Excellent news. R.Quinn Oct 2014 #4
And another one in Ohio! KamaAina Oct 2014 #5
I like the idea of cops carrying their own liability insurance. That would really cause Fla Dem Oct 2014 #12
Any dept who would hire a person with a felony convivtion has some serious issues yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #17
How is that even legal? KamaAina Oct 2014 #24
Beats me, yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #25
I hope this marks a sea change in police all around the country. marble falls Oct 2014 #6
Remembet Selma, TX? Now traffic is such you CAN'T speed. Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #23
I got a ticket in Selma 35 years ago Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #27
My kid just got a speeding ticket there last month mcar Oct 2014 #7
Class-action lawsuit? KamaAina Oct 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author KamaAina Oct 2014 #8
This has been going on for 30 years. secondvariety Oct 2014 #9
Small towns in Texas got so bad they passed a law limiting how much revenue, by percentage, Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #11
Bellaire cops got busted. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2014 #28
Wouldn't be surprised. There was a small black community on Hwy 90 called Ames. They Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #31
Where's Waldo? n/t albino65 Oct 2014 #13
DUzy! KamaAina Oct 2014 #14
Six miles ahead. Didn't you see the sign! JimDandy Oct 2014 #26
These corrupt speed traps should have the ultimate punishment imposed on them. NutmegYankee Oct 2014 #15
"civil forfeiture".... sendero Oct 2014 #18
For those who complain about how good cops never turn-in bad cops yesiwasacop Oct 2014 #16
The other town is "Lawty", not Lawley as the article states, and they are about 8 miles apart.... A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #19
Gotta a goddam ticket in Lawtey in '74. Beat it by mail! Eleanors38 Oct 2014 #22
good Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #20
Fuckers gopiscrap Oct 2014 #30

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
3. The Alachua Sheriffs Dept is patrolling down there now
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:43 PM
Oct 2014

but they are not hiding behind the fruit stands, they're out in the open.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
5. And another one in Ohio!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:57 PM
Oct 2014
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ohio-police-department-corrupt-forced-shut/

The Public Entities Pool of Ohio is an insurance group which solely provides insurance for public entities. When an entity becomes too risky to insure, that entity’s coverage is terminated.

Originally it was said to be a lapse insurance which caused the shut down of both the Lincoln Heights fire department and the police department Thursday at 12:00 am. The fire department’s insurance was quickly reinstated however the police department is proving to be quite the uninsurable risk.

“It was a yearly renewal,” Lincoln Heights Village Manager Stephanie Summerow-Dumas said. “It was time for a renewal and (PEP) made the decision (to cut coverage) because of certain variables.”...

Nine of these lawsuits are currently ongoing which led to PEP dropping the coverage claiming that they could not keep up with the cost of all the suits.


Hopefully this trend will spread to Ferguson.

Fla Dem

(23,650 posts)
12. I like the idea of cops carrying their own liability insurance. That would really cause
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:11 PM
Oct 2014

a behavioral change.

"While PEP is funded through tax payer dollars it was still able to cause a drastic reaction to police corruption. Imagine if the individual officers were forced to carry their own personal liability plans in order to be cops. Then we would see some real change."


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ohio-police-department-corrupt-forced-shut/#6pDJpyuFer7i8OWJ.99

 

yesiwasacop

(93 posts)
17. Any dept who would hire a person with a felony convivtion has some serious issues
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:48 PM
Oct 2014

prob a good thing this happened. As for the personnel issues, probably no different than a lot of places. We had cases from time to time and they were pretty much an even mix of civilian employee or cop who was the perpetrator.

The big problem any employer (much less the police) runs into is supervision failing to address an issue when it is made known. An employer is much less liable for handling something when it happens as opposed to blowing it off and letting it happen a couple times. This is esp common with sexual harassment.

 

yesiwasacop

(93 posts)
25. Beats me,
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 12:39 AM
Oct 2014

the state standard is probably such that if it was a very low class, non violent or drug related felony then somehow it can be permissible. My state does not allow that at all from what I recall. They will allow some minor drug use if the last use was quite a ways back and was "experimental."

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
23. Remembet Selma, TX? Now traffic is such you CAN'T speed.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:47 PM
Oct 2014

That one was along I-35 N. of S.A. Now, it's hard to safely go the limit.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
27. I got a ticket in Selma 35 years ago
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 01:16 AM
Oct 2014

in the rush hour traffic going to Austin from S.A. Of course everyone else was driving too fast so doing 55 was dangerous.

Since when do speed demons drive a Honda Civic station wagon? That's what I was driving.

Response to KamaAina (Original post)

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
9. This has been going on for 30 years.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:09 PM
Oct 2014

Waldo, Lawtey and Hampton are all speed traps. Hampton came this close to losing their city charter because of corruption. Lawtey is the last one with a police force and hopefully not for long.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/09/us/hampton-florida-corruption/

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
11. Small towns in Texas got so bad they passed a law limiting how much revenue, by percentage,
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 04:09 PM
Oct 2014

Traffic tickets a city/town can generate based on their total income.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
28. Bellaire cops got busted.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 01:19 AM
Oct 2014

Bellaire, TX, cops (a city inside Houston) were busted for stopping people on the frontage road of Loop 610. The Feds told them they did not have jurisdiction to issue speeding tickets on the frontage road of an Interstate Highway.

Also Texas passed a law somewhere back there that all the ticket revenue would go to the state, not the city. That's how they shut down speed traps.

John Oliver talked about civil forfeiture Sunday night. I don't know if they've shut down the traffic stop civil forfeiture in Texas or not. There was some tiny town in East Texas that pulled over everyone who was driving while brown or black and seized their money. I think they had a class action suit.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
31. Wouldn't be surprised. There was a small black community on Hwy 90 called Ames. They
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:40 AM
Oct 2014

only had 1 cop, the Chief, and he would pull over anyone going 1 mile or mor over for the 1/2 mile length of the town. The tickets paid for the whole thing, salary, car, city government... Now they don't have a cop as far as I know, but people still don't speed through there too often!

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
15. These corrupt speed traps should have the ultimate punishment imposed on them.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 06:15 PM
Oct 2014

All buildings and roads funded through highway robbery should be destroyed similar to how drug cartels are deprived of their ill gotten gains. Bulldoze the police station and town hall and grind the streets back up into gravel. And then let the residents actually PAY for their town infrastructure instead of stealing it from out-of-townees.

After the first few towns I'm sure the others would get the message.

 

yesiwasacop

(93 posts)
16. For those who complain about how good cops never turn-in bad cops
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:41 PM
Oct 2014

here you go. The rank and file turned in the chief for corruption here.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
19. The other town is "Lawty", not Lawley as the article states, and they are about 8 miles apart....
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:41 PM
Oct 2014

both on US 301, Southwest of Jacksonville and Northeast of Gainesville, on either side of the town of Starke. I pass through all 3 on a regular basis.

Starke is known for the bench put up by American Atheists in the courthouse plaza in response to a large ten commandments monument there.

Here's a thread I put up about the monuments;


http://www.democraticunderground.com/123018940

While the idea that these two towns over utilize speeding tickets to fund themselves is ridiculous, there is a normal and appropriate amount of warning that speed limit reductions are ahead. You honestly have to have your head up your ass to not notice the "45 MPH zone ahead" type signs.

There is another town on the same road, north of Waldo that annexed a portion of 301 for the sole purpose of issuing speeding tickets. Hampton, Florida had its share of troubles with state regulators and has since stopped its enforcement of a stretch of that road their cops had no business being near.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/29/us/hampton-florida-corruption-survival/

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
22. Gotta a goddam ticket in Lawtey in '74. Beat it by mail!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:37 PM
Oct 2014

The state investigated, and reported signage was proper; I said not when a tractor-trailer is parallel to you. The town dropped the charge and sent my $20 bond back to Austin. Waldo Flea Market is a good one: Lots of local-grown produce, some decent tools, guns, a separate head shop off to the side, boiled peanuts.

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