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Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:00 PM Oct 2014

Will Texas also prosecute the Texas megachurch member...

...who, if proven to be unvaccinated, recklessly traveled to Indonesia, a country where measles is known to be prevalent, and then returned to his church, a congregation with a known unvaccinated population, without subjecting himself to an appropriate period of self-quarantine?

For reference:

Measles outbreak tied to Texas megachurch sickens 21

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/measles-outbreak-tied-texas-megachurch-sickens-21-f8C11009315

Dallas DA Considers Charges Against Foreign Ebola Patient

“We’re dealing with the issue that he may have knowingly exposed individuals in Dallas County to the ebola virus” said Dallas County District Attorney Craig Watkins. “We’ve prosecuted individuals, for knowingly exposing individuals to HIV – which is aggravated assault.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/03/dallas-da-considers-charges-against-foreign-ebola-patient/

What about measles, or pertussis, or the many other communicable diseases easily prevented by vaccines, but even more easily transmitted by those who choose to be unvaccinated? Also examples of "aggravated assault"?

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Will Texas also prosecute the Texas megachurch member... (Original Post) Barack_America Oct 2014 OP
Testing the Lord. They do not believe in vaccinations so the member goes to test it out? Will the jwirr Oct 2014 #1
Did you notice the purposeful inclusion of "foreign"... Barack_America Oct 2014 #2
Why are they worrying about ebola? Downwinder Oct 2014 #3
Arguably, the Measles and especially Pertussis are far more devestating than Ebola guy. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #4
Historically, that is certainly true. Barack_America Oct 2014 #5
An interesting twist to the tale. freshwest Oct 2014 #6
Wow. First I have seen this. Makes sense. joeglow3 Oct 2014 #7
There's a significant difference here. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #8
It's still a knowing and reckless exposure. Barack_America Oct 2014 #9
+1 Scuba Oct 2014 #10
It should be prosecutable for parents to fail to vaccinate, honestly Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #11
I agree. Barack_America Oct 2014 #12
I don't see that, because it's not the same thing. Spider Jerusalem Oct 2014 #13
Except we don't know he was unvaccinated. That's just a theory. nt pnwmom Oct 2014 #14

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
1. Testing the Lord. They do not believe in vaccinations so the member goes to test it out? Will the
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:07 PM
Oct 2014

Lord keep them safe or not? This my opinion of what he was thinking.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
2. Did you notice the purposeful inclusion of "foreign"...
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:23 PM
Oct 2014

...in the headline about the Dallas Ebola patient?

My thinking is, that if Duncan is guilty of aggravated assault, then so to is that megachurch member, and possibly, other members of that church who continued the spread. Heck, so to are those rich Hollywood types that are letting pertussis run wild in the LA area.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
4. Arguably, the Measles and especially Pertussis are far more devestating than Ebola guy.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:51 PM
Oct 2014

Not to mention Ebola Guy though he had been exposed to malaria, not Ebola.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
5. Historically, that is certainly true.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:31 AM
Oct 2014

And if one compares the R0 value measure of the viruses,it is still true.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
8. There's a significant difference here.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 02:32 AM
Oct 2014

If there was a measles outbreak it's because of people not vaccinating. Measles is assumed to be a vaccine-controlled illness, in the USA. This is why quarantines aren't required.

Measles was declared eliminated in the U.S. more than a decade ago. But in recent years, the highly infectious disease has cropped up in communities with low vaccination rates, most recently in North Texas.

There, 21 people — the majority of whom have not been immunized — have gotten the disease, which began at a vaccine-skeptical megachurch.

http://www.npr.org/2013/09/01/217746942/texas-megachurch-at-center-of-measles-outbreak


The problem is fuckwits not vaccinating, not the lack of quarantine. There is no vaccine for ebola.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
9. It's still a knowing and reckless exposure.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:57 AM
Oct 2014

There's also a barrier to HIV infection, namely not sharing bodily fluids or using barrier protection when you do. They have prosecuted individuals for forgoing these barriers and thus recklessly exposing to HIV. The barrier for Ebola is quarantine, and there is discussion about prosecuting Duncan for not practicing that. So why no discussion about failing to exercise the barriers to measles infection, also resulting in reckless exposure?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
11. It should be prosecutable for parents to fail to vaccinate, honestly
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:25 AM
Oct 2014

assholes like these people are the reason measles is making a comeback in the first place.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
12. I agree.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 08:09 AM
Oct 2014

But barring that, I think they should be criminally responsible for the results of that decision. And I think prosecuting Duncan for Ebola exposure (if they foolishly wish to do it) sets precedence for this.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
13. I don't see that, because it's not the same thing.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 09:09 AM
Oct 2014

US residents are presumed to be vaccinated for measles. No-one is vaccinated for ebola because there's no vaccine. Duncan lied to airport security about his ebola exposure. That sort of lying is a prosecutable offence pretty much everywhere, and travelling whilst having knowingly been exposed to ebola is tantamount to breach of quarantine (which is also a prosecutable offence pretty much everywhere; in the US it'll get you a year in a Federal prison).

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