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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:33 PM Oct 2014

‘Duck Dynasty’ Star Phil Robertson: You Can’t Get STDs From ‘Biblically Correct Sex’

Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson painted sexually-transmitted diseases as being diametrically opposed to Christian beliefs in a recent sermon, CNS News has reported. “Biblically correct sex is safe,” Robertson said during a sermon in West Monroe, Louisiana last month. “It’s safe. You’re not going to get chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, AIDS — if you, if a man marries a woman, and neither of you have it, and you keep your sex between the two of you, you’re not going to get ever sexually transmitted diseases.”

Robertson went on to blame “orthodox liberal opinion” for the spread of “debilitating diseases” around the U.S. and the world and accused his audience of being — like himself — “sexually immoral” at some point in their lives. “Man meets woman, marries her, keeps his sex right there,” he said. “The children come, the chances of them getting a sexually transmitted disease, would you say is almost zero? You can say it.”

Researcher Elizabeth Boskey challenged the notion that monogamous sex can be devoid of sexually-transmitted diseases in a column for About.com this past February. “Even if you had undergone regular screening, if you were infected while having sex with a partner who had not been tested in years, there is always the possibility that they were infected asymptomatically a long time before you got together – and just didn’t know it,” Boskey wrote. “Even when you are having sex with someone who is infected with an std, you won’t necessarily get infected the first time you sleep together. Particularly if you intermittently practice safe sex, it could take months or even years.” http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/duck-dynasty-star-phil-robertson-you-cant-get-stds-from-biblically-correct-sex/

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‘Duck Dynasty’ Star Phil Robertson: You Can’t Get STDs From ‘Biblically Correct Sex’ (Original Post) big_dog Oct 2014 OP
Such a jerk, he is, consistently! n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #1
Robertson is two tacos short of a combination plate. It's sad, though, to think of how many in his Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #51
this is just like that "screwing a virgin will cure your aids" BS that comes out of villages NightWatcher Oct 2014 #2
How so? I don't see any similarities at all. DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 #6
Ignorant fundamentalists spouting their beliefs as medical fact... NightWatcher Oct 2014 #14
What he said is pretty close to fact... DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 #17
his position is not "pretty close to fact" as one particular ruins his premise. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #18
Actually, what he said is pretty close to fact DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 #19
The relevant omission "and if a man also marries a man..." illustrates intent to all but the half-wi LanternWaste Oct 2014 #21
Any omission doesn't change the fact he stated. DesMoinesDem Oct 2014 #22
There is zero medically wrong with what he said yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #34
It's his "live by the biblical way" that bothers me NightWatcher Oct 2014 #35
You know there are a lot more that don't agree yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #36
What he said: Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #42
"He is playing everyone." Ex Lurker Oct 2014 #45
Except for the fact that virgins.. Feron Oct 2014 #47
Just ignore him. He obviously loves the attention yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #48
He's so full of it maryellen99 Oct 2014 #3
He's full of duck shit. Initech Oct 2014 #28
LOL Solomon Oct 2014 #49
Is it wrong to wish a case of the clap on him? Vinca Oct 2014 #4
That's Biblical Correctness Gone Mad! CJCRANE Oct 2014 #5
I guess that depends on how you measure sharp_stick Oct 2014 #7
On the tv show Masters of Sex dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #16
This MUST be a joke. 3catwoman3 Oct 2014 #37
One of the things that show has made me remember dixiegrrrrl Oct 2014 #38
"Biblically correct" is not necessarily monogamous JHB Oct 2014 #43
It'd be nice safeinOhio Oct 2014 #8
Lol. DocMac Oct 2014 #30
HIV can also be transmitted from mother to child, undeterred Oct 2014 #9
Lotts daughters got him drunk and had sex VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #10
Hey Phil you don't have a medical degree. You get ducks horny. Shut up. Initech Oct 2014 #11
is there a sex manual in the bible? i missed that chapter. spanone Oct 2014 #12
That was the chapter about Solomon's 700 wives and 300 concubines theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #23
So marriage is between one man, 700 women, and 300 sex slaves? Initech Oct 2014 #26
I'll bet he was pretty damn tired, too theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #39
Yes I am. Solomon Oct 2014 #50
This coming from a guy who just crawled out of the woods damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #13
He's largely correct, *as far as he goes*. The issue is the unstated sequels. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #15
Well, perhaps. liberalmuse Oct 2014 #20
Yeah just ask Ryan White... oh wait he's dead. Johonny Oct 2014 #24
Everybody stop broadcasting the rants of this dirty old man. (nt) Paladin Oct 2014 #25
"Back in my day, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them." Initech Oct 2014 #31
What planet is he from? jwirr Oct 2014 #27
So if the woman is on top, you get STDs? muntrv Oct 2014 #29
I don't think the Christian Holy Bible has approved positions. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #33
Life long monogamous relationships definitely decrease the chances of STDs, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #32
Or you kiss the wrong guy nitpicker Oct 2014 #46
Why even bother with this asshole madokie Oct 2014 #40
Uh-huh. This from the "you'll grow hair on your hands and go blind" school of sex education. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #41
Pretend ZZ-Top rich faux-redneck TV buffoon pontificates on "Biblical Sex" . . . hatrack Oct 2014 #44
He should get tested. wheniwasincongress Oct 2014 #52
You know whenever I start to miss Fred Phelps Kalidurga Oct 2014 #53
Biblical sex? That was more promiscious than anything... Mike Nelson Oct 2014 #54

Louisiana1976

(3,962 posts)
51. Robertson is two tacos short of a combination plate. It's sad, though, to think of how many in his
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:55 PM
Oct 2014

congregation believe him so they won't be practicing safe sex as long as they're monogamous.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. this is just like that "screwing a virgin will cure your aids" BS that comes out of villages
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:37 PM
Oct 2014

that are being ravaged by aids in Africa.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
17. What he said is pretty close to fact...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:06 PM
Oct 2014

If two virgins only have sex with each other it is very unlikely they will get an STD.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. his position is not "pretty close to fact" as one particular ruins his premise.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:08 PM
Oct 2014

The same holds true for...

"If two gay virgins only have sex with each other it is very unlikely they will get an STD."

Hence, his position is not "pretty close to fact" as one particular ruins his premise.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
21. The relevant omission "and if a man also marries a man..." illustrates intent to all but the half-wi
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:18 PM
Oct 2014

"if a man marries a woman, and neither of you have it, and you keep your sex between the two of you, you’re not going to get ever sexually transmitted diseases.”

The relevant omission "and if a man also marries a man..." illustrates his intent and implied premise to all but the half-witted.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
22. Any omission doesn't change the fact he stated.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:25 PM
Oct 2014

Some of you people get so worked up when the bible is mentioned. Take the bible out and look at what it means. It is a fact.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
34. There is zero medically wrong with what he said
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 02:07 PM
Oct 2014

If two people who never had sex and from wedding night until death only has sex with each other. There is zero chance of getting a sexual transmitted disease. Where are you finding this wrong?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
35. It's his "live by the biblical way" that bothers me
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 02:31 PM
Oct 2014

You can also use condoms to prevent STD's but instead of embracing science and technology he barks at people to just "live like god said you should in the bible".

I was likening him to ignorant fundamentalists all over the world who's answer to every problem is "live like MY god said". I am aware that if two clean virgins have sex, neither of them will catch an STD.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
36. You know there are a lot more that don't agree
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 02:36 PM
Oct 2014

With his beliefs then do. I think he is getting a kick out of seeing some get upset over what he says. His Granddaughter on Monday night on Dancing with the Stars said he is out spoken. He is playing everyone.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
42. What he said:
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:22 PM
Oct 2014

" if you, if a man marries a woman, and neither of you have it, and you keep your sex between the two of you, you’re not going to get ever sexually transmitted diseases.”


What is true:
Any two people who enter a monogamous relationship with both parties disease free and remain monogamous, they will not get a sexually transmitted disease.

What he said is not true because he specifically reserves this for a man married to a woman. In reality, the couple can be same sex or opposite sex, and they do not have to be married, simply sexually exclusive. The genders and the marriage are irrelevant.

Ex Lurker

(3,812 posts)
45. "He is playing everyone."
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:00 PM
Oct 2014

I think so, too. He probably believes it, but he's in your face about it to get a rise out of everyone. If you look at their background, there wasn't anything remarkable about them before they hit on this schtick. They made duck calls, but other than that, there wasn't much about their lifestyle to distinguish them from any other upper middle class family in Monroe, LA. The old family pictures are all clean cut, polo shirt type scenes.

Feron

(2,063 posts)
47. Except for the fact that virgins..
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:08 PM
Oct 2014

can be infected with HPV.

Monogamy dramatically lowers your risk, but doesn't eliminate it entirely.

The bigger issue is that people like the Robertsons believe that people who are sexually active outside of marriage deserve STIs/need to be punished. That sex outside of marriage should have consequences and therefore things such as anti-STI vaccines/meds, contraceptives, and abortion are bad. Not to mention being against a factual and comprehensive sex ed for kids.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
48. Just ignore him. He obviously loves the attention
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:13 PM
Oct 2014

The only ones he can advise and maybe "control" is his family and even that is doubtful.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
5. That's Biblical Correctness Gone Mad!
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:44 PM
Oct 2014

I'm so tired of the pressure to be Biblically Correct all the time!

Where does it end?

Get Big Religion out of my life.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
7. I guess that depends on how you measure
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:45 PM
Oct 2014

biblically correct sex.

If both partners are virgins and completely monogamous I suppose he's right.

That being said just watching the number of "religious leaders" that have to whine and beg forgiveness because they couldn't keep it in their pants pretty much puts the kibosh on the idea that they have some kind of morally superior position here.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
16. On the tv show Masters of Sex
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:05 PM
Oct 2014

he saw a young Christian couple who said they had infertility problems, that despite 3 years of marriage no kids.
so the doctor starts taking a medical history.

turns out, the couple had been practicing what they read in the Bible, about "lie with your wife"
and had been lying side by side in bed.
With no sex.

May be an old joke, maybe not. but I have heard equally weird things from my clients over the years.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
38. One of the things that show has made me remember
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 02:54 PM
Oct 2014

is how truly sexually repressed and unaware most people were in the 50's.
I cringe at remembering those times.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
9. HIV can also be transmitted from mother to child,
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:48 PM
Oct 2014

by sharing contaminated needles, or by tainted blood products.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
10. Lotts daughters got him drunk and had sex
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:48 PM
Oct 2014

With their father...does he mean like that biblical sex?

By the way Phil......women were property in biblical times.

This is the same guy that said you should choose a woman when she is no older than 16 so you can still train them .otherwise she is just a gold digger apparently

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
23. That was the chapter about Solomon's 700 wives and 300 concubines
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:32 PM
Oct 2014

Or was it the chapter about Lot having sex with his daughters? I've lost track.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
15. He's largely correct, *as far as he goes*. The issue is the unstated sequels.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:02 PM
Oct 2014

It is entirely true that if both of you are virgins when you marry, and never have sex with anyone else, you are very unlikely (not certain, but very, very unlikely) to get STDs.

The problem is *not* the statement itself, it's the implicit conclusions he wants us to draw - I suspect things like

"and therefore you should refrain from having sex before marriage".
"and therefore it is unethical to have sex outside marriage"
"and therefore we should stop funding sex education and fund abstinence education instead".

The response should not be to highlight or exaggerate the (tiny) risk of getting STDs if you live as he suggests, but to say "yes, that statement as far as it goes, is true, but the conclusions he is trying to lead to from it are not, for these reasons" (e.g. "Not marrying someone you love because they're not a virgin is dumb"; "Abstinence education does not work"; "Everything you say holds just as true if you replace "Married" with "in a committed, monogamous relationship with" or "woman" with "man" throughout", etc).

Johonny

(20,828 posts)
24. Yeah just ask Ryan White... oh wait he's dead.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:34 PM
Oct 2014

Why does this country celebrate the ignorant asshole so much. Ryan White in his time on Earth did a thousand times more to try and give good information to other humans beings while he is now totally forgotten while we constantly hear from this fact less self-inflicted moron. Can we hear no more from any of the millionaire "Duck Sex Whistle" moralists, please.

Initech

(100,059 posts)
31. "Back in my day, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them."
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:51 PM
Oct 2014

"Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say. And then I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. So I hopped a ferry to Shelbyville, which in those days was called Morganville. Did I mention I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time?"



At least Grampa Simpson's rants are better than Phil Robertson's.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
32. Life long monogamous relationships definitely decrease the chances of STDs,
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 01:54 PM
Oct 2014

but there are still other ways. For example, there have been cases of babies getting herpes during circumcision when the Rabbi puts his mouth on the open penis wound. Some people get STDs by sharing a needle.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
44. Pretend ZZ-Top rich faux-redneck TV buffoon pontificates on "Biblical Sex" . . .
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:53 PM
Oct 2014

And America should give a shit . . . why?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
53. You know whenever I start to miss Fred Phelps
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:55 PM
Oct 2014

this guy is there. Making some lame comment. He's not quite as bad I don't think he has ever held a protest at a military funeral, but he's pretty obnoxious, like a Phelps lite.

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
54. Biblical sex? That was more promiscious than anything...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 08:16 PM
Oct 2014

...we hear about today. Probably, he's never read the Bible...

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