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sheshe2

(83,658 posts)
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:35 AM Oct 2014

"We're young, we're strong, we're marching all night long!" and "Fight back, fight back!"

Protesters march in St Louis after cop shoots pedestrian dead



The dead man, reportedly a young black man, allegedly fired at the officer, though some reports claim the suspect had only a sandwich in his hands. The officer was heading to his second job as a private security guard and was reportedly wearing a uniform.

Concerns are high that this latest police killing will lead to unrest in St. Louis.

Large crowd of protestors block streets in #StLouis after latest shooting death. pic.twitter.com/2xGC573O0w
— Andrew Westmoreland (@drewwest_press) October 9, 2014



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11:56 PM - 8 Oct 2014

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However, as a crowd formed at the scene, some individuals told reporters that the suspect did not have a gun. In fact, multiple people said he was only armed with a sandwich. They also told KTVI that he was shot 16 times.



“He was unarmed,” she told the Post-Dispatch. “He had a sandwich in his hand, and they thought it was a gun. It’s like Michael Brown all over again.”

http://rt.com/usa/194372-stlouis-fatal-officer-involved-shooting/

This hurts my soul; once again.
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"We're young, we're strong, we're marching all night long!" and "Fight back, fight back!" (Original Post) sheshe2 Oct 2014 OP
DAMMIT!!! WHEN does this end??? calimary Oct 2014 #1
I'm afraid it will only end when we make it end.... daleanime Oct 2014 #2
I don't have an answer for you, calimary. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #3
No kidding, sheshe2. No kidding. I'm there shoulder-to-shoulder with you. calimary Oct 2014 #21
I hear ya calimary. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #28
Horrible! Kath1 Oct 2014 #4
Someone lit the match! Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #5
Yes. The gawd damn match was lit! Dammit! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #6
I'm sick to my stomach. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #9
Ironically, a few more dead martyrs (irrespective of skin color) may indeed KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #26
respect for cops, drilled into me as a kid, is wearing thin oldandhappy Oct 2014 #7
+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2014 #12
Kick! Heidi Oct 2014 #8
Everyone should see the live streams to see the protesters are also white... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #10
WTF is a "Wonderbread type" linuxman Oct 2014 #13
A typical white middle class straight laced suburbanite raised on PB&J with the crust cut off. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #18
Oh. A race based stereotype that lives in your head. linuxman Oct 2014 #19
Actually, it's origin goes back to "The Brain" in the movie "The Breakfast Club". Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #20
I watched that and am glad to see that. jwirr Oct 2014 #25
CORRUPT blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #11
Well that is nice.... Now have whistler162 Oct 2014 #14
But as you pointed out, Holder MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #15
“He had a sandwich in his hand, and they thought it was a gun" seveneyes Oct 2014 #16
A cover up already underway? Matrosov Oct 2014 #17
It is interesting that police repeat a murder suspects allegations as fact Taitertots Oct 2014 #23
Why were they being chased in the first place??!!?!?!?! uponit7771 Oct 2014 #22
Isn't this the second incident after Michael's death? Another kid in a parking lot? jwirr Oct 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author KinMd Oct 2014 #27
The DOJ is going to be involved in the investigation... Spazito Oct 2014 #29
That is good news Spazito! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #30
I was very happy to hear the Mayor say what he did... Spazito Oct 2014 #31
Damn that is good, Spazito. sheshe2 Oct 2014 #32

calimary

(81,127 posts)
1. DAMMIT!!! WHEN does this end???
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:51 AM
Oct 2014

DAMMIT!!!!!! Nobody behind those damn guns has learned a single damn fucking thing!!!

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. I'm afraid it will only end when we make it end....
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:54 AM
Oct 2014

and put the government and the police back in the hands of the people.

sheshe2

(83,658 posts)
3. I don't have an answer for you, calimary.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:00 AM
Oct 2014

This pains my soul. Another death by cop. Who the hell are we? A police officer shot a young man 16 times. Dear Gawd. We have lost our souls here. I no longer recognize us. No not all, we still have our good. Yet there is so much hate out there. I am crying and at this point I have no clue when I will stop.

calimary

(81,127 posts)
21. No kidding, sheshe2. No kidding. I'm there shoulder-to-shoulder with you.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:00 PM
Oct 2014

Amazed that I could find myself saying what that pathetic woman standing in the back of a packed room of wall-to-wall teabaggers at some town hall meeting back around 2010. She tearfully bleated - "I Want MY A-MAIR-i-ca BAAAACK!!!!"

Well, guess what? I want MY America back, too. MY America from the 60s and 70s when women's rights were on the RISE. When we were well on our way to seeing the Equal Rights Amendment passed (before it stalled and too many of us gave up and went back to sleep, figuring we oughta quit while we're ahead or some such idiocy), and there were multitudes rising up in the streets to stop the war - and actually starting to be listened to in some cases, when civil liberties were a much more widespread concern, and good causes were on the front burner. Granted that was also a horrible time for many, thinking about the casualties in Dallas on a morning in November, at the Ambassador Hotel here in L.A. on a night in June, a Memphis apartment house balcony on a sad April day, and the students massacred at Kent State. Those weren't days of across-the-board gentility and idyll pleasure, of course. Anything with Richard Nixon on the scene in any way couldn't have been exactly what you'd call balmy.

There's so much hate out there. My brain spins and hurts. My heart aches. My eyes glance furtively from side to side wondering who out there standing in line next to me at Starbucks or the grocery store feels compelled to be packing heat. I don't know what to do about it.

And on the other hand, I do know there are things that CAN be done. But they're miniscule. Baby steps. And they take time. They have a cumulative effect if they're kept up, but that effect takes time to build. And I don't know if we even HAVE enough time, anymore.

sheshe2

(83,658 posts)
28. I hear ya calimary.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 07:10 PM
Oct 2014

Your last thought is very chilling.


"And on the other hand, I do know there are things that CAN be done. But they're miniscule. Baby steps. And they take time. They have a cumulative effect if they're kept up, but that effect takes time to build. And I don't know if we even HAVE enough time, anymore."


We have no choice but to continue forward and hope and vote for progress. For those that believe sitting out the vote until their 'true progressive candidate' stands before them, they are part of the problem.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
5. Someone lit the match!
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:06 AM
Oct 2014

Let's see if cooler heads prevail.

More dead black people isn't going to help the situation!

sheshe2

(83,658 posts)
6. Yes. The gawd damn match was lit! Dammit!
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:20 AM
Oct 2014

I quoted you on another post.

This is all I can take tonight, it is late and I need to sleep. I can't stop crying tonight. My heart bleeds.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
9. I'm sick to my stomach.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:25 AM
Oct 2014

We were just talking about this possibility yesterday!
Not even 24 hours ago!

I have to log off and go to bed myself.
Goodnight, sugar.
I love you.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
26. Ironically, a few more dead martyrs (irrespective of skin color) may indeed
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:40 PM
Oct 2014

"help the situation."

The ruling class and its goon squads don't have enough officers and bullets to suppress the righteous fury of the masses once it is aroused. You'd think the ruling class and their goons would have picked up a thing or two since 1789 and 1917, but you'd be wrong.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. Everyone should see the live streams to see the protesters are also white...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:34 AM
Oct 2014

The media is going to claim it's all black people.

It's not. There are LOTS of real Wonder Bread types in the crowd. Some look middle aged. I saw one guy that looked like my old shop teacher.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
15. But as you pointed out, Holder
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:56 AM
Oct 2014

has a review going on.

How could the review have failed to stop this? Nobody could have foreseen this.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
16. “He had a sandwich in his hand, and they thought it was a gun"
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 06:02 AM
Oct 2014

Someone is not telling the truth. Do sandwiches fire three times and then jam or was it a jam sandwich?

 

Matrosov

(1,098 posts)
17. A cover up already underway?
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 08:29 AM
Oct 2014

Witnesses claim he was carrying a sandwich, yet the police is now insisting he was firing at the officer and only stopped because his weapon jammed. We know that police are definitely not above fabricating evidence, including planting weapons at a crime scene. It looks like yet another cover up is well underway.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
23. It is interesting that police repeat a murder suspects allegations as fact
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:25 PM
Oct 2014

Are they objective public servants or his paid defense team?

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Spazito

(50,167 posts)
29. The DOJ is going to be involved in the investigation...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 08:08 PM
Oct 2014

The Mayor is on with Chris Hayes and stated it won't only be the police investigating themselves, the prosecutor AND the DOJ will be working together on an investigation as well. This is good news, imo.

sheshe2

(83,658 posts)
30. That is good news Spazito!
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 08:53 PM
Oct 2014

I posted earlier that a Senator was calling for one. I am so glad that is now fact.

Spazito

(50,167 posts)
31. I was very happy to hear the Mayor say what he did...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 09:05 PM
Oct 2014

There is NO trust in the police among the black communities, and rightly so, the Mayor recognizes that and it appears there will be a thorough investigation instead of the all too often whitewashing of the tragedy.

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