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by Rachel Witkin
October 09, 2014 8:34 AM
Police Stop Indiana Woman, Ask If She's Accepted Jesus Christ As Her Savior Yet
It's already terrifying to be stopped by the police, even when it's just for a traffic violation. But an Indiana police trooper made the ordeal even more uncomfortable -- by asking driver Ellen Bogan if she'd accepted Jesus Christ yet.
Bogan says that Indiana State Police Trooper Brian Hamilton pulled her over for alleged traffic violation in August. He handed her a warning ticket, and then went completely off-topic, asking if she went to church and if she'd accepted Jesus Christ as her savior.
"It's completely out of line and it just -- it took me aback," she said to The Indianapolis Star.
Bogan said that the trooper asked her about her faith multiple times, but that she didn't feel like she could leave or not answer his questions because he was a police officer.
"The whole time, his lights were on. I had no reason to believe I could just pull away at that point, even though I had my warning," she said. "I'm not affiliated with any church. I don't go to church. I felt compelled to say I did, just because I had a state trooper standing at the passenger-side window. It was just weird."
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The Indiana state affiliate of the American Family Association, a certified hate group, weighed in. The Huffington Post reports "Micah Clark, executive director of the American Family Association of Indiana, sees it differently, telling the newspaper that while a traffic stop might not have been the best time to quiz someone about faith, it doesn't mean the officer should lose his right to free speech."
Bogan, along with the ACLU, has also filed a lawsuit in federal court against Hamilton. The lawsuit argues that Hamilton violated Bogan's First and Fourth Amendment rights by asking about her religious background.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)That should win them a lot of converts.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Or maybe Christ .45
Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)13mm Mercury tipped silver exploding rounds, the silver from a blessed cross.
Its normal use is in killing vampires, but I'm sure it would work well in getting converts during traffic stops.
(I soooo wish someone would make a real version. That would be a pistol I wouldn't mind buying. Alucard's other pistol, a .454 Casull semi-auto is another I would like.)
icymist
(15,888 posts)True Blue Door
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B Calm
(28,762 posts)on, oh my! Kinda like an ISIS member with a hood on. .
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Whoever's running Christianity's PR wing in the U.S. needs to be fired immediately.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)My doctor asked me if I was continuing to take my Vitamin D as prescribed. I said yes! He replied "good because you will have to be on it until the second coming! Do You know what the second coming is? "I said do you mean when Jesus is supposed to come back to judge the living and the dead? He said "yes, so good to.see you are properly educated." Then later on I told him the Immunologist could not find the cause of the chronic hives I'd been experiencing. He responded, " only God knows for sure."
I don't have a problem with people having religious beliefs but why must they try to keep pushing them on others. It to be honest creeped me out a little. I would hope a doctor would be a little more focused on actual medical science.
I've been seeking a replacement but there is a Doctor shortage in our area so I'm kind of stuck for now.
As weirded out as I felt, it had to be a lot scarier for this woman coming from an armed police officer. If she answered the wrong thing in his mind, would he have shot her?
What happened to Free Will? I went to Catholic School, however, I have tried to block as much as possible from my memory. Isn't there something in the bible though that says God can't force people to believe in him, that they have to accept him of their own free will.? Why do humans think they can try to force the issue then?
This is the trouble with blurring the lines between government and religion.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Both hold your life in their hands.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)We just talk about our pets!
valerief
(53,235 posts)I've been lucky. I'm in Massachusetts, so the chances are slim I'll get someone holding scissor blades to my throat and demanding I accept Jesus. But you never know!
Initech
(100,060 posts)Doctors and dentists especially should not be preaching the gospel to their patients, and cops should not be preaching to people who they pull over.
I read a study one time where it said that businesses that preach the gospel, and especially businesses that target the elderly and have a religious agenda, are the ones most likely to screw over their customers, and the most likely to be completely dishonest about the products that they sell. I've often wondered why a business would broadcast that they believe in Jesus.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)3catwoman3
(23,970 posts)...new doctor so fast it would leave him breathless, and I would tell him exactly why I was leaving. That is way over the line.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)johnsleery
(1 post)might be the interest of local police officer
valerief
(53,235 posts)Agreed
catbyte
(34,367 posts)because of the debilitating migraines I was getting. The doctor told me "to pray" and to "thank Jesus" I "only had migraines" and not a brain tumor or other catastrophic disease. I was livid & refused to pay my $10 copay. I also complained to the State, any and all medical professional organizations he belonged to, and my GP. My GP was flabbergasted and really, really angry. I think he ended up filing his own complaint against that crackpot too. If I'd wanted "The Lord", I'd have freaking gone to church. What a quack. It still annoys me.
LeftinOH
(5,354 posts)trying to explain the officer's 'rights'?
ut oh
(893 posts)at the time of the stop, so I'd think that his first amendment rights don't hold in that case??
mnhtnbb
(31,382 posts)He can proselytize on his own time.
I rather doubt that questioning people he stops in the line of duty
about their religious beliefs is in his job description. And if it is...
then the whole damn department needs an overhaul.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)From the First Baptist Church, baby...
callous taoboy
(4,584 posts)True Blue Door
(2,969 posts)csziggy
(34,135 posts)That would be my only response to questions from a cop about my religion.
If the officer answered No to the question, I would drive off. If he claimed a reason to detain me based on my refusal to participate in his roadside revival, I would sue the police department.
Skittles
(153,142 posts)this is NOT "free speech" when he's talking this nonsense AS A POLICE OFFICER