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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 09:42 AM Oct 2014

Police Stop Indiana Woman, Ask If She's Accepted Jesus Christ As Her Savior Yet



http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/rachelwitkin/indiana_woman_was_stopped_by_police_asked_if_she_d_accepted_jesus_christ

by Rachel Witkin
October 09, 2014 8:34 AM

Police Stop Indiana Woman, Ask If She's Accepted Jesus Christ As Her Savior Yet


It's already terrifying to be stopped by the police, even when it's just for a traffic violation. But an Indiana police trooper made the ordeal even more uncomfortable -- by asking driver Ellen Bogan if she'd accepted Jesus Christ yet.

Bogan says that Indiana State Police Trooper Brian Hamilton pulled her over for alleged traffic violation in August. He handed her a warning ticket, and then went completely off-topic, asking if she went to church and if she'd accepted Jesus Christ as her savior.

"It's completely out of line and it just -- it took me aback," she said to The Indianapolis Star.

Bogan said that the trooper asked her about her faith multiple times, but that she didn't feel like she could leave or not answer his questions because he was a police officer.

"The whole time, his lights were on. I had no reason to believe I could just pull away at that point, even though I had my warning," she said. "I'm not affiliated with any church. I don't go to church. I felt compelled to say I did, just because I had a state trooper standing at the passenger-side window. It was just weird."

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The Indiana state affiliate of the American Family Association, a certified hate group, weighed in. The Huffington Post reports "Micah Clark, executive director of the American Family Association of Indiana, sees it differently, telling the newspaper that while a traffic stop might not have been the best time to quiz someone about faith, it doesn't mean the officer should lose his right to free speech."

Bogan, along with the ACLU, has also filed a lawsuit in federal court against Hamilton. The lawsuit argues that Hamilton violated Bogan's First and Fourth Amendment rights by asking about her religious background.
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Police Stop Indiana Woman, Ask If She's Accepted Jesus Christ As Her Savior Yet (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2014 OP
Jesus at the point of a gun? HockeyMom Oct 2014 #1
Smith & Wesson & Jesus KansDem Oct 2014 #3
This is a job for the Hellsing Arms Jackal Tyrs WolfDaemon Oct 2014 #8
LOL! Good one Trys! icymist Oct 2014 #16
"Blessed are the peacemakers..."? True Blue Door Oct 2014 #22
Religious brainwashed fruitcakes scare the hell out of me. With a badge B Calm Oct 2014 #2
Promoting your faith: You're doing it wrong. DirkGently Oct 2014 #4
This is getting a little scary and a lot nuts. Liberalynn Oct 2014 #5
+1 B Calm Oct 2014 #7
That creeps me the fuck out. Doctors and hairdressers with a religious agenda. valerief Oct 2014 #10
My hair dresser is good! Liberalynn Oct 2014 #14
Every time I go to Supercuts I "pray" I don't get a religious loony. valerief Oct 2014 #15
Any business with a religious agenda is one to avoid. Initech Oct 2014 #25
Call me cynical Liberalynn Oct 2014 #27
I would be looking for a... 3catwoman3 Oct 2014 #26
I am definitely looking for a new one. Liberalynn Oct 2014 #28
Police Stop Indiana Woman, Ask If She's Accepted Jesus Christ As Her Savior Yet johnsleery Oct 2014 #6
And people are afraid of ISIL?????? With nuts like this running around?????? valerief Oct 2014 #9
WOW Mr Dixon Oct 2014 #11
A neurologist my GP referred me to pulled that crap about 20 years ago. I'd gone catbyte Oct 2014 #12
Again with the phony "free speech" crap - re: the AFA LeftinOH Oct 2014 #13
The cop was acting as an agent of the state/county/city ut oh Oct 2014 #17
The Trooper should get a warning in his personnel file. mnhtnbb Oct 2014 #18
This sounds bogus... Helen Borg Oct 2014 #19
What would you think if handed one of these at a traffic stop? jtuck004 Oct 2014 #21
"No, sir. My I.Q. is too high." callous taoboy Oct 2014 #20
"No, the Constitution will do just fine. Ever read it, officer?" True Blue Door Oct 2014 #23
"It's none of your business, officer. Am I being detained?" csziggy Oct 2014 #24
bible thumpers are NUTCASES Skittles Oct 2014 #29

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
8. This is a job for the Hellsing Arms Jackal
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 10:22 AM
Oct 2014

13mm Mercury tipped silver exploding rounds, the silver from a blessed cross.



Its normal use is in killing vampires, but I'm sure it would work well in getting converts during traffic stops.



(I soooo wish someone would make a real version. That would be a pistol I wouldn't mind buying. Alucard's other pistol, a .454 Casull semi-auto is another I would like.)

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
2. Religious brainwashed fruitcakes scare the hell out of me. With a badge
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 09:52 AM
Oct 2014

on, oh my! Kinda like an ISIS member with a hood on. .

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
4. Promoting your faith: You're doing it wrong.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 09:59 AM
Oct 2014

Whoever's running Christianity's PR wing in the U.S. needs to be fired immediately.
 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
5. This is getting a little scary and a lot nuts.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 10:08 AM
Oct 2014

My doctor asked me if I was continuing to take my Vitamin D as prescribed. I said yes! He replied "good because you will have to be on it until the second coming! Do You know what the second coming is? "I said do you mean when Jesus is supposed to come back to judge the living and the dead? He said "yes, so good to.see you are properly educated." Then later on I told him the Immunologist could not find the cause of the chronic hives I'd been experiencing. He responded, " only God knows for sure."

I don't have a problem with people having religious beliefs but why must they try to keep pushing them on others. It to be honest creeped me out a little. I would hope a doctor would be a little more focused on actual medical science.

I've been seeking a replacement but there is a Doctor shortage in our area so I'm kind of stuck for now.

As weirded out as I felt, it had to be a lot scarier for this woman coming from an armed police officer. If she answered the wrong thing in his mind, would he have shot her?

What happened to Free Will? I went to Catholic School, however, I have tried to block as much as possible from my memory. Isn't there something in the bible though that says God can't force people to believe in him, that they have to accept him of their own free will.? Why do humans think they can try to force the issue then?

This is the trouble with blurring the lines between government and religion.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
10. That creeps me the fuck out. Doctors and hairdressers with a religious agenda.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 10:25 AM
Oct 2014

Both hold your life in their hands.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
15. Every time I go to Supercuts I "pray" I don't get a religious loony.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 10:51 AM
Oct 2014

I've been lucky. I'm in Massachusetts, so the chances are slim I'll get someone holding scissor blades to my throat and demanding I accept Jesus. But you never know!

Initech

(100,060 posts)
25. Any business with a religious agenda is one to avoid.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:14 PM
Oct 2014

Doctors and dentists especially should not be preaching the gospel to their patients, and cops should not be preaching to people who they pull over.

I read a study one time where it said that businesses that preach the gospel, and especially businesses that target the elderly and have a religious agenda, are the ones most likely to screw over their customers, and the most likely to be completely dishonest about the products that they sell. I've often wondered why a business would broadcast that they believe in Jesus.

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
27. Call me cynical
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:04 PM
Oct 2014
but I think some businesses do it as a marketing ploy since many Americans seem so religiously enthralled. Ironically from the stories I was told about Jesus I sincerely doubt he would approve let alone be flattered that he is being reduced by some to what amounts to a used car salesman.

3catwoman3

(23,970 posts)
26. I would be looking for a...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:58 PM
Oct 2014

...new doctor so fast it would leave him breathless, and I would tell him exactly why I was leaving. That is way over the line.

johnsleery

(1 post)
6. Police Stop Indiana Woman, Ask If She's Accepted Jesus Christ As Her Savior Yet
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 10:13 AM
Oct 2014

might be the interest of local police officer

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
12. A neurologist my GP referred me to pulled that crap about 20 years ago. I'd gone
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 10:34 AM
Oct 2014

because of the debilitating migraines I was getting. The doctor told me "to pray" and to "thank Jesus" I "only had migraines" and not a brain tumor or other catastrophic disease. I was livid & refused to pay my $10 copay. I also complained to the State, any and all medical professional organizations he belonged to, and my GP. My GP was flabbergasted and really, really angry. I think he ended up filing his own complaint against that crackpot too. If I'd wanted "The Lord", I'd have freaking gone to church. What a quack. It still annoys me.

ut oh

(893 posts)
17. The cop was acting as an agent of the state/county/city
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 11:55 AM
Oct 2014

at the time of the stop, so I'd think that his first amendment rights don't hold in that case??

mnhtnbb

(31,382 posts)
18. The Trooper should get a warning in his personnel file.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:02 PM
Oct 2014

He can proselytize on his own time.

I rather doubt that questioning people he stops in the line of duty
about their religious beliefs is in his job description. And if it is...
then the whole damn department needs an overhaul.

csziggy

(34,135 posts)
24. "It's none of your business, officer. Am I being detained?"
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:52 PM
Oct 2014

That would be my only response to questions from a cop about my religion.

If the officer answered No to the question, I would drive off. If he claimed a reason to detain me based on my refusal to participate in his roadside revival, I would sue the police department.

Skittles

(153,142 posts)
29. bible thumpers are NUTCASES
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 08:13 PM
Oct 2014

this is NOT "free speech" when he's talking this nonsense AS A POLICE OFFICER

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