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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 04:25 PM Oct 2014

Enraged hawk smashes drone to the ground

CAMBRIDGE, Mass —

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Christopher Schmidt was flying his quadcopter around Magazine Beach Park in Cambridge, Massachusetts, when he learned the hard way that his toy wasn't welcomed in the sky.

His copter, equipped with a GoPro camera, catches the moment a hawk launches toward his drone and knocks it from the air.

The camera continues to roll as the copter crashes to the ground.

The hawk likely wasn't thrilled with the drone in his territory and took it out.

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Enraged hawk smashes drone to the ground (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 OP
Good for the hawk... n/t hlthe2b Oct 2014 #1
+1 Liberalynn Oct 2014 #3
Yup. Go hawk! nt City Lights Oct 2014 #4
agree with you, demigoddess Oct 2014 #76
Why? Vendetta against Radio-controlled hobbiests? n/t Gore1FL Oct 2014 #20
That's hawk airspace... hlthe2b Oct 2014 #33
RC aircraft are not inherently evil devices. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2014 #60
Of course they aren't. sulphurdunn Oct 2014 #68
hawk airspace LOL snooper2 Oct 2014 #97
Wow, there goes about $3,000. louis-t Oct 2014 #2
I'm impressed with that camera Warpy Oct 2014 #8
This is pretty much what GoPros were built for justiceischeap Oct 2014 #15
You can get some pretty nice drones for under $1000. nm rhett o rick Oct 2014 #11
Google "quadcopter gopro" dickthegrouch Oct 2014 #22
$3000 for a GoPro drone? Are you serious? Atman Oct 2014 #86
So are drones any real danger to airplanes mainer Oct 2014 #5
I see a market for trained hawks. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #7
Oooh! A rebirth of falconry! JHB Oct 2014 #41
Puh-leese... truebluegreen Oct 2014 #47
Is hawkery a thing? Maynar Oct 2014 #75
Nah. I was just making a funny. truebluegreen Oct 2014 #87
Falcons? Puh-leese yourself, Ashol-Pan shows you how it's REALLY done! Scootaloo Oct 2014 #80
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n/t truedelphi Oct 2014 #77
Definitely, if someone was stupid or malicious enough Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #10
Have you seen the damage a bird can do to a jet engine? dickthegrouch Oct 2014 #21
My father worked this crash for Pinkerton. He said he pulled an arm out of the water and nothing valerief Oct 2014 #40
+1 to that F4lconF16 Oct 2014 #50
RC Drones do not fly high enough, for the most part, to be a threat to general aviation Thor_MN Oct 2014 #55
I should have been clearer. F4lconF16 Oct 2014 #63
That would be redundant. Glassunion Oct 2014 #79
How so? F4lconF16 Oct 2014 #85
Example. Glassunion Oct 2014 #89
Like everything else in the country Joe Turner Oct 2014 #61
That is certainly true for other situations F4lconF16 Oct 2014 #64
I bet it was even less thrilled to find it was not palatable. nt logosoco Oct 2014 #6
Those featherless birds are bad eatin'. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #9
That was great!! greytdemocrat Oct 2014 #12
Intruders apparently were not appreciated. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #13
One more reason why hawks are great...knr joeybee12 Oct 2014 #14
Good! Another of Obama's 30,000 spy-bots bites the dust. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #16
No... Someone's expensive RC toy crashed. n/t Gore1FL Oct 2014 #19
Please say that was sarcasm... -eom gcomeau Oct 2014 #25
There's no way this is a serious comment... Earth_First Oct 2014 #51
I know right! And that was one of the weaker ones from Obama's fleet snooper2 Oct 2014 #98
Now that's a hawk's hawk!!! KansDem Oct 2014 #17
Drone: 0 | hawk: 1 and the hawk is the winnah! n/t deafskeptic Oct 2014 #18
Hawk reclaims sky. "No one outsources my job!" JaneyVee Oct 2014 #23
LOL. n/t JimDandy Oct 2014 #27
Goooooooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal! mindwalker_i Oct 2014 #24
The hawk had probably heard that these things can carry pizza. surrealAmerican Oct 2014 #26
"Get off my...sky!!!" That's great, thank you. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2014 #28
Smart bird. He does not want surveillance either. n/t Paper Roses Oct 2014 #29
Birds of prey know they're cool. (The Far Side) ms liberty Oct 2014 #30
What's a good hawk repellant? immoderate Oct 2014 #31
Maybe the hawk was hungry? George II Oct 2014 #32
"That is so effing sweet" ybbor Oct 2014 #34
Beautiful Red-tail dbackjon Oct 2014 #35
Good Birdie! Solly Mack Oct 2014 #36
I totally side with the hawk. TNNurse Oct 2014 #37
The hawk's like "Get in my belly... Wait WTF!?" chrisa Oct 2014 #38
Too bad the damned drone wasn't destroyed. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #39
That's a terrible thing to say. Desert805 Oct 2014 #44
I don't use my bicycle to spy on and otherwise harass people. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #48
Well we can't know that for certain whopis01 Oct 2014 #52
I don't use mine to spy either. Desert805 Oct 2014 #84
You should come to Florida and check out some of the "drone" airfields. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #96
"You're in MY world now, drone!" Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #42
Broken drone? Thanks Obama! hughee99 Oct 2014 #43
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2014 #49
:) love this gif! BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #57
Sweet! ellie Oct 2014 #45
I doubt that the hawk was "enraged"-- okasha Oct 2014 #46
Enraged? IDemo Oct 2014 #53
Why the drone hatred? FreeJoe Oct 2014 #54
many people blackcrowflies Oct 2014 #56
You have no expectation of pivacy in a public park. Get real. n/t eggplant Oct 2014 #62
Thanks FreeJoe Oct 2014 #74
And don't get me started on all those tourists, taking their photographs and stuff. arcane1 Oct 2014 #78
I don't get the hatred, either. My son uses it for aerial photography mainer Oct 2014 #69
People are dumb. RedCappedBandit Oct 2014 #71
Easy to fly? What model? nt Logical Oct 2014 #91
DJI Phantom FreeJoe Oct 2014 #94
Damn you..... Logical Oct 2014 #95
Marvelous fadedrose Oct 2014 #58
tip for the hawk blackcrowflies Oct 2014 #59
I'd like to buy that hawk a Tuaca. ballyhoo Oct 2014 #65
How much does a drone weigh? Rozlee Oct 2014 #66
According to Amazon the "shipping" weight is 3 lbs. NorthCarolina Oct 2014 #72
and Gwaihir the Wind Lord strikes again :D roguevalley Oct 2014 #67
Right on! Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #70
Hope the hawk wasn't injured by the spinning blades ffr Oct 2014 #73
According to the article probably not. Glassunion Oct 2014 #81
Grazie! ffr Oct 2014 #82
You are aware that those blades are flimsy plastic? mainer Oct 2014 #88
gorgeous bird cwydro Oct 2014 #83
I'll see your hawk and raise you one goose! yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2014 #90
LOL..... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #92
that vids getting high percentage of dislikes. from comments people dont like that he deliberately Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #93

hlthe2b

(102,226 posts)
33. That's hawk airspace...
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 06:44 PM
Oct 2014

and when I see one nosing about my home to get info for some damned realtor or other nosybody, I will gladly invite in all the raptors I can find.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
68. Of course they aren't.
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 12:49 PM
Oct 2014

They're potentially very useful devices. It depends on who uses them and for what purposes. The current abuse of this technology for covert surveillance and war outweighs any social benefit for which it is now used.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
8. I'm impressed with that camera
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 04:53 PM
Oct 2014

It took a hell of a beating and kept on going. Likely the quadcopter can be salvaged and repaired.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
15. This is pretty much what GoPros were built for
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 05:04 PM
Oct 2014

Well, technically created for extreme sports but since have been used to do a lot of up-close wildlife photography. Lots of videos out there from GoPro showing their gear being mauled by wildlife and surviving.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
86. $3000 for a GoPro drone? Are you serious?
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:10 PM
Oct 2014

I have a GoPro that I bought years ago at top price...$300. The drone is not very expensive, either. That is part of the problem. The technology is so cheap any asshole can buy one. They sure as hell don't cost $3000, unless you want to pay that much for one.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
47. Puh-leese...
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 10:28 PM
Oct 2014

Any falconer worthy of the name flies a...falcon. Which doesn't/won't hunt rabbits.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
10. Definitely, if someone was stupid or malicious enough
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 04:56 PM
Oct 2014

to fly it near airport runways...

Because they do make them bigger than the one used in this story...

As for that hawk, well someone needs to call the Air Force and show that hawk who's boss Humanity didn't get to where it is over the course of 2.4 million years by letting wild critters push us around

dickthegrouch

(3,172 posts)
21. Have you seen the damage a bird can do to a jet engine?
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 05:45 PM
Oct 2014

There is tremendous suction just in front of a jet engine and a bird is relatively soft and fragile. A drone is metal parts and wires, which, I'm guessing, would be far more destructive to a finely balanced jet engine than any feathers and bone.

I don't want to be anywhere close when some idiot tries this accidentally, or on purpose.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
40. My father worked this crash for Pinkerton. He said he pulled an arm out of the water and nothing
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 07:59 PM
Oct 2014

was attached.

The greatest loss of life directly linked to a bird strike was on October 4, 1960, when a Lockheed L-188 Electra, flying from Boston as Eastern Air Lines Flight 375, flew through a flock of common starlings during take-off, damaging all four engines. The aircraft crashed into Boston harbor shortly after take-off, with 62 fatalities out of 72 passengers.[42] Subsequently, minimum bird ingestion standards for jet engines were developed by the FAA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_strike

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
50. +1 to that
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:56 AM
Oct 2014

When you spin very hot metal at high rpm, things go badly ina hurry. A small pebble could trash an engine in a half of a second. A large drone could easily take out an engine.

Wondering when they're going to start regulating RC drones more. With the amount they're getting used now, I'm surprised I haven't heard of more legislation dealing with them.

Edits for typos. Stupid cracked phone screen

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
55. RC Drones do not fly high enough, for the most part, to be a threat to general aviation
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 09:28 AM
Oct 2014

To be under RC control, you have to be able to see the drone, which means that other than near an airport, aircraft are going to be thousands of feet higher. Quadcopters and the like are much more limited in visual range than RC planes due to need to see how they are oriented. RC planes have to fly in a linear fashion and one can infer from their motion how the plane is oriented. A quadcopter can fly in any direction and to control it, one really need to be able to see it well.

The same concerns have existed for decades with RC planes and model rockets. They have managed to co-exist for over 40 years.

There is legislation against autonomous drones, which can fly anywhere they have the power to get to.

I suppose one could build a drone with enough power to transmit video back to the operator to allow flying above levels where one see the drone from the ground, but you very quickly run into issues having a powerful enough transmitters without needing a license. Once you get into long distance set-ups, you are talking enough money that losing your aircraft is painful.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
63. I should have been clearer.
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 11:52 AM
Oct 2014

I meant legislation about privacy concerns mostly. When and if there will ever be regulations on videotaping, etc., for drones specifically.

I'm not too worried about a drone actually hitting an aircraft. I have a few friends that fly those, and there's no way they're at the altitude of planes unless whoever's flying them has some serious hardware. Not to mention I'm confident you have to register with the FAA and others at that point.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
89. Example.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:19 PM
Oct 2014

Someone is in a public place, standing on a sidewalk video taping a house. This is not illegal.
Someone is in a public place, standing on a sidewalk video taping someone in their bathroom. This is illegal. That person has an expectation of privacy even though they have their window open.

Someone is flying a drone in public space (over a street or sidewalk) video taping a house. This is not illegal.
Someone is flying a drone in public space (over a street or sidewalk) video taping someone in their bathroom. This is illegal. That person has an expectation of privacy even though they have their window open.

As you can see you don't need a specific set a laws for drones. Is there some specific privacy (other) concern that you have that you feel a specific law or regulation would be needed?

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
61. Like everything else in the country
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 11:23 AM
Oct 2014

They will wait until a drone causes a jetliner to crash before considering regulation. The flow of corporate green into government buys a lot of freedom of responsibility for corporations.

F4lconF16

(3,747 posts)
64. That is certainly true for other situations
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 11:58 AM
Oct 2014

But not, I think, for this one. I think the main reason they haven't passed regulations yet is because it isn't all that big an issue. It's really no worse than RC aircraft, as explained excellently in the post above yours.

Completely agree that money in government loosens regulatory bindings, though.

ybbor

(1,554 posts)
34. "That is so effing sweet"
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 06:44 PM
Oct 2014

First words out of my mouth while watching video. (Effing replaced with F-ing, of course)

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
37. I totally side with the hawk.
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 07:18 PM
Oct 2014

I also expect that "gun enthusiasts" will find sport in shooting down drones.

whopis01

(3,510 posts)
52. Well we can't know that for certain
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 08:33 AM
Oct 2014

Much like how we don't know what that person used his copter for.

Desert805

(392 posts)
84. I don't use mine to spy either.
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 05:06 PM
Oct 2014

A gopro makes a terrible aerial "spy" cam. It's practically a fish eye.

Fun to chase mountain bikers down a hill with my quad rotor though, the footage is awesome!



I think one of us has a clearer picture of these toys than the other.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
96. You should come to Florida and check out some of the "drone" airfields.
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 12:13 PM
Oct 2014

It is a great collection of family members and enthusiasts. Mothers and fathers getting their children into a very healthy hobby. Flying on weekend mornings instead of just looking for a way to get their kids away from them. Around Gainesville it can often be seen all around you. People not bothering anyone and enjoying time with their family. "Drones" as you call them are a great activity. And yes, it is fun to film the adventure.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
54. Why the drone hatred?
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 09:24 AM
Oct 2014

This wasn't a police or military drone. It was a hobbyist drone. Judging from the video, it was being flown responsibly over a public area away from crowds. They can definitely be abused, but so can just about any form of technology. The same cell phone cameras that get used to record police misconduct also get used regularly to violate people's privacy. We all criticize the latter usage, but I don't see anyone expressing general hatred for cell phone cameras. Why the drone hatred?

I'm curious because I own one and love it. It is a lot of fun to fly and is great as an areal photography/videography platform. I always fly it away from people and in areas where nobody would be expecting privacy. When I've flown it, the only problem I've had from people is having them gather around pepper me with questions while I'm busy trying to operate it.

For the record these are the questions that get asked every time:
1) How much does it cost? Between $400 and $500.

2) How far does it fly? As far as the radio can maintain contact. For obvious reasons, I keep it in visual range at all times. For FAA reasons, I keep it under 400 feet.

3) How fast is it? About 20-30 miles per hour.

4) How long can it fly? About 8-10 minutes on a battery charge.

 

blackcrowflies

(207 posts)
56. many people
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 09:32 AM
Oct 2014

don't like their privacy invaded.

I have new neighbors with video cams on their house that obviously include my yard and house in their range. You really think I want my early morning forays out to get the newspaper while I'm wearing my bathrobe recorded? How about knowing I'm on candid camera when I prune my rosebushes.

Just because one is outside, it doesn't mean recording is okay, any more than paparazzi harassing people to death is okay.

Good for the hawk. Sorry it didn't break the camera.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
69. I don't get the hatred, either. My son uses it for aerial photography
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 01:43 PM
Oct 2014

and he has some beautiful footage of his farm. He's not spying on anyone. He's just taking photos of landscapes.

People wishing destruction of other peoples' property is just angry and nasty.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
71. People are dumb.
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 03:35 PM
Oct 2014

Some dude's toy got broken when he was playing around in the PARK. Sucks for him, he's out a good amount of cash. That's pretty much it. I don't see how this was some grand victory for hawks everywhere. Lol.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
94. DJI Phantom
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 06:54 AM
Oct 2014

It has two control sticks. The left one makes it go up and down (push forward or backward) and rotate left and rotate right (push left or right). The right stick makes it fly left, right, forward, or backward. You can configure the right stick to operate relative to the "front" of the drone or relative to the position of the flyer. I've only ever used the former.

It also has a fail safe mode. If the drone loses contact with the controller, it flies to 60' feet of altitude, flies back to it's launch site, hovers for a few seconds, and then lands. Be careful about putting an object (tree, building, cliff) at 60' between you and the launch site.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
95. Damn you.....
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 11:26 AM
Oct 2014

I feel a gadget purchase coming on! I will tell the wife it is your fault!

Thanks for the info!

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
81. According to the article probably not.
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 04:52 PM
Oct 2014

Most raptors especially those in the Accipiter group are quite sturdy animals.

In the article it mentions that when the pilot saw the hawk, he powered down the props before it struck.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
88. You are aware that those blades are flimsy plastic?
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:08 PM
Oct 2014

My son has a quadcopter drone, and it's a fragile thing. He's always replacing the plastic blades. You can stick your finger in them and nothing would happen.

It only weighs 2.2 pounds: http://www.amazon.com/DJI-Phantom-Aerial-Drone-Quadcopter/dp/B00AGOSQI8/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1413069014&sr=8-11&keywords=rc+quadcopter+drone

The hawk may well have weighed more.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
93. that vids getting high percentage of dislikes. from comments people dont like that he deliberately
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 08:16 PM
Oct 2014

Flew drone near goose

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