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dsc

(52,155 posts)
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:09 PM Apr 2012

I watched Bully today

In case you have been living under a rock for the last few weeks, Bully is the documentary about kids who are bullied sometimes to the point of death. At the heart of the movie is a gutsy, sweet, but let's be honest, weird and limited young man named Alex Libby whose school experience is a sliver of Hell served up daily; and a young man, named Tyler Long, who killed himself after being bullied for years. In a couple of subplots from Oklahoma Kelby Johnson is an out lesbian who is literally treated as a non person at her small town school and an 11 year old who killed himself.

Alex, for all his limitations, is one of the bravest kids you will ever meet. His bus ride to school is a living hell of abuse both physical and mental. He is beaten, strangled, threatened, called vile names for the entire ride. Kelby was run over by a mini van and has had teachers talk about burning faggots in class. Students literally flee her presence. She is also one of the bravest kids you will ever meet. Alex is incapable of expressing either the reality of his feelings about the reality of the horrors of his daily life. In order to try to process his reality he has convinced himself that his tormentors are his friends and only teasing. The scene where his horror stricken parents explain to him that friends don't behave that way his crestfallen face as he says then what friends do I have is heart breaking. Both Kelby and Alex have moved from the schools that they were at at the beginning of this film and are apparently doing better now, than during this film but that doesn't negate the very real horror of what they have gone through.

This is by no means a pleasant film. Instead it is a harrowing journey that will be hard to forget. I whole heartedly recommend seeing it.

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I watched Bully today (Original Post) dsc Apr 2012 OP
I've been interested in seeing it for a while. Initech Apr 2012 #1
Did it seem appropriate for pre-teens, dsc? Thanks nt Mnemosyne Apr 2012 #2
yes dsc Apr 2012 #3
Thank you much! Will let his mom know about the suicide in it, Mnemosyne Apr 2012 #37
Where is this available? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #4
theater dsc Apr 2012 #5
Okay - I will look. Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #7
I don't mean to brag ... yes I do! jimlup Apr 2012 #6
Shake that young person's hand for me csziggy Apr 2012 #8
Would that be Katy Butler? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #9
Yes jimlup Apr 2012 #21
Wonderful! OneGrassRoot Apr 2012 #22
That's wonderful malaise Apr 2012 #24
Katy is not only righteous, she is skilled..... Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #26
Good for her!! FedUpWithIt All Apr 2012 #10
YES! EFerrari Apr 2012 #11
You should be very proud indeed. William769 Apr 2012 #12
Yes, yes, yes! Hissyspit Apr 2012 #13
*Mr. Burns voice* Excellllllent!!! Initech Apr 2012 #19
It sounds utterly heartbreaking. n/t FourScore Apr 2012 #14
I will take a pass, not because the theme and matter is unimportant, nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #15
I'm sorry for your pain DiverDave Apr 2012 #16
Well this is why this movie matters. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #18
I'm right there with you. I was never even invited to my class reunions. JesterCS Apr 2012 #33
Du rec. Nt xchrom Apr 2012 #17
I just got home from the theater HeiressofBickworth Apr 2012 #20
"Bullying today has taken on a more violent aspect..." CrispyQ Apr 2012 #28
Not only violent media, but media in which the audience is invited to take pleasure in seeing HiPointDem Apr 2012 #32
K and R. Will try to take "the lad" to see it today at Lincoln Center in NYC. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2012 #23
I am absolutely chomping at the bit to see this. Thav Apr 2012 #25
Part of the project includes support for educators..... Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #27
Kicking. For the entire OP but especially for this. Raine1967 Apr 2012 #29
I have a friend whose 15-year-old son killed himself because of bullying. RebelOne Apr 2012 #30
Alex needs to be told he looks a lot like this guy. alphafemale Apr 2012 #31
I've put off seeing it Aerows Apr 2012 #34
Yeah...maybe he's caught on that he's a good lookin kid. lol alphafemale Apr 2012 #35
K&R Jamastiene Apr 2012 #36

Initech

(100,059 posts)
1. I've been interested in seeing it for a while.
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 11:16 PM
Apr 2012

I had a horrible experience in high school so to see some initiative done to combat bullying has been an interest of mine - and I know it's got significantly worse since the advent of social media. I'd hate to be going through middle school - high school now. I can't imagine what it's like for these kids today. Hopefully the film does some good.

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
37. Thank you much! Will let his mom know about the suicide in it,
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 06:16 PM
Apr 2012

she lost her father to suicide in 1985 at age six. She may not want to deal with his questions yet.

Thanks again for the insight!

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
4. Where is this available?
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:07 AM
Apr 2012

Can I PPV it somewhere tonight, or is it theatre only right now?

Thanks for the review.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
5. theater
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:10 AM
Apr 2012

but I had to google the film for some of the kids names and a stream site was one of the links.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
6. I don't mean to brag ... yes I do!
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:10 AM
Apr 2012

I personally teach the student who is responsible for getting the R rating changed.

I think it is OK to be a proud teacher yes?

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
9. Would that be Katy Butler?
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:17 AM
Apr 2012

There was a thread about this young woman here. Likely, she was not the only one, so shout out to her and any others who had a hand in this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11379047

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. Katy is not only righteous, she is skilled.....
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:25 AM
Apr 2012

I am happy to send great admiration to her through you, and also to offer thanks for your teaching skills, which clearly are first rate.
When I heard a student got this done, I was so impressed at the desire to do so and more so at the skills that the student had to use to get such a difficult task accomplished. She and anyone who helped her in anyway did a great, huge good that others did not think to do.
I think Katy is one of the People of the Year, a great citizen of this country. Nothing less than that.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
15. I will take a pass, not because the theme and matter is unimportant,
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 12:54 AM
Apr 2012

but quite frankly I do not want to relieve some of my personal hell...

Recently they had the hutzpah to send an invitation for a school reunion... yup, told them to shove it, and not to contact me again.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
16. I'm sorry for your pain
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:01 AM
Apr 2012

and cannot know the feeling.
I have my own demons to deal with from youth.
You sound like you've got past it (mostly)
I wish you wouldnt have had to go through it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. Well this is why this movie matters.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:35 AM
Apr 2012

We need to take it seriosly and it's not limited to the United States.

JesterCS

(1,827 posts)
33. I'm right there with you. I was never even invited to my class reunions.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:47 PM
Apr 2012

I was bullied from about 2nd grade on up. Until I graduated. It messed me up so much having anxiety about just showing up at school for fear of what would happen to me that day. Myself, I keep my feelings and problems internalized. So That ate me up more than anything. Since then I've tried to get disability for the anxiety and depression, but I keep getting turned down. I dont think I could ever work out in society and be normal.

I've tried working, and it never lasts. I end up getting panic attacks and quitting or just not coming. =(

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
20. I just got home from the theater
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 03:02 AM
Apr 2012

where I saw Bully. I'm very tender-hearted and I cried all the way through it. Not only over the loss of the children who committed suicide because they were literally bulled to death, but for the living who are facing certain physical and emotional trauma every single day.

I'm 66 years old. When I was in school, I was bullied. But back then, it was just name-calling, still very hurtful. I was also bullied by my brother and a cousin. They would tease and torment me until they succeeded in making me cry and then they would torment me about crying. No help from my mother -- she just said there must be something wrong with ME because I cried. No, I don't have a relationship with any of them.

Bullying today has taken on a more violent aspect -- hitting, shoving, punching, strangling, stabbing with pencils and other physical actions against the victim. In this movie, the school counselor, who should have been the one to do something to stop the tormenting of students by bullies, was way out of her league. She knew nothing and in fact, told the victim that he was just like the kid who tormented him. I came away from the movie with a myriad of questions. Why will a group of children evaluate other children and select one or more to victimize? How have the parents of the bullies raised them to have such a lack of empathy for others? Does a parent's demand for competition (sports, particularly) and excellence create an atmosphere of bulling others? Why are educators so lacking in skills rendering them useless and helpless when bullying is a problem. (Yes, I know there are some teachers who make an effort, but I think the system is gamed against making any real changes to the system.) Do the bullies remain bullies all their lives? Are they the ones committing domestic violence as adults? Do the victims become bullies at some point in their lives? Is anyone out there doing studies to find out what causes this and how to put an end to it?

Yes, I recommend this movie, but take your most absorbent hankie with you.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
28. "Bullying today has taken on a more violent aspect..."
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:18 PM
Apr 2012

And yet people claim that violent media isn't the problem. ???

I was very young when "The Godfather" came out & I thought it was horribly violent. It left such an impression on my young mind, that I didn't watch it again for decades. When I re-watched it, some 30 years later, I laughed at how little the 'violent' images shocked me. They were hardly violent at all compared with today's entertainment.

I have not seen the film, but hopefully it will inspire studies regarding the excellent questions you posed.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
32. Not only violent media, but media in which the audience is invited to take pleasure in seeing
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:44 PM
Apr 2012

people verbally abused and degraded (e.g. Judge Judy), shows in which people are shown in degraded situations and viewers are invited to feel superior (e.g. Cops, Lock-Up, all those Jerry Springer type shows), shows in which people submit to degradation in order to win some stupid prize (e.g. shows where slime is poured on people or similar things and it's called a "challenge&quot .

Not to mention the increasingly test-driven and competitive nature of society in general, in which children from even kindergarten now are divided into the 'sheep' and the 'goats' in the competition for a limited number of decent places in society -- from cradle to grave.

When I was younger there was a movie, "They Shoot Horses, Don't They" about dance marathons during the Depression. Unlike the present moment, that was a time when class and capitalism was actually discussed in the MSM, and the film was widely acknowledged to be a comment on how capitalism degrades people, forcing them into positions of suffering and using their suffering as "spectacle" -- the bread and circuses of our time, encouraging people to defuse their hostility onto those beneath them in the competitive struggle, rather than those above them manipulating the action.

The same structure is inherent in institutionalized racism, apartheid, etc.

On edit I'll add that I even see bullying behavior here at DU.

It's great that bullying is being talked about, and good that children should be taught not to bully. But the fact is that bullying is modeled widely in society, and that we are taught from the cradle that some people are "better" than others, and that the "best" deserve things that the others don't deserve, that the homeless and jobless just aren't as good as the housed and jobbed, that minimum-wage workers are failures, that low-lifes tazed for minor offenses "deserve it," that people should work in unpaid internships in order to "get a foot in" the job market, etc.

And an examination of the general lessons life in modern America teaches, and the possibility that bullying has intensified as life has become more competitive and more cruel, is verboten. Kids won't be discussing that in school and it will get little play in the MSM. Meanwhile, social cruelty increases, the surveillance state grows, etc.

So I predict that films like this and anti-bullying programs will have a very limited effect, because the behavior is not just a matter of a few bad individuals who need to be taught better. The behavior reflects the *real* conditions of life in our time, for everyone, and is present to a greater or lesser degree in all individuals.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
23. K and R. Will try to take "the lad" to see it today at Lincoln Center in NYC.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 07:28 AM
Apr 2012

His bullying was minimal but it's *always* painful and it *never* leaves one.

Thav

(946 posts)
25. I am absolutely chomping at the bit to see this.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 09:32 AM
Apr 2012

I don't think it'll come to my area, so I'm hoping they get this out on DVD soon.

I'm a martial arts instructor, and bullying prevention is one thing that I teach in my classes. I'm hoping I can get permission to show this in my studio to my parents and others in the community. Even from the trailers, this is a must see if you have children, teach children, or are around children.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
27. Part of the project includes support for educators.....
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:40 AM
Apr 2012

I don't know if your studio counts, I'd say it should. If they want a 'school school' perhaps you could get something going with you local district. They offer support materials and such for educators, here is a link....
http://thebullyproject.com/indexflash.html#/educators

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
29. Kicking. For the entire OP but especially for this.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:24 PM
Apr 2012

I've not seen the movie yet -- but I have friends back in NYS that are actively pursuing this project.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
30. I have a friend whose 15-year-old son killed himself because of bullying.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:33 PM
Apr 2012

He was bullied because he was overweight. One day he took his father's gun to school. Then he stood up in class, said he wasn't going to take it anymore and shot himself in the head. This happened here in North Georgia in the early '90s. My friend and her husband started an anti-bullying campaign. They have been on Oprah and other various daytime talk shows. I think they spearheaded the campaign against bullies here in Georgia.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
31. Alex needs to be told he looks a lot like this guy.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:35 PM
Apr 2012


Only a few people get to have a face like a lion. Own it child.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
34. I've put off seeing it
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:01 PM
Apr 2012

But I think I probably should. I wasn't bullied, because I wasn't an out lesbian and I had the benefit of having a fairly upper middle class family to back me up. I also wasn't going to public school.

I still knew at 15 that I was gay. I've been femme all of my life so I pass fairly easily - until I open my mouth and my viewpoints come out that is .

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