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herding cats

(19,564 posts)
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 06:29 PM Oct 2014

Greg Abbott: Texas gay marriage ban reduces out-of-wedlock births

AUSTIN – Attorney General Greg Abbott says Texas’ same-sex marriage ban should remain in place because legalizing it would do little or nothing to encourage heterosexual couples to get married and have children.

Writing in a brief filed to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday, Abbott said the state was not obligated to prove why gay marriage might be detrimental to the economic or social well-being of Texans. It was only required to show how opposite-sex marriage would be more beneficial for its citizens.

“The State is not required to show that recognizing same-sex marriage will undermine heterosexual marriage,” the brief read. “It is enough if one could rationally speculate that opposite-sex marriages will advance some state interest to a greater extent than same-sex marriages will.”

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He added, “Second, Texas’s marriage laws are rationally related to the State’s interest in reducing unplanned out-of-wedlock births. By channeling procreative heterosexual intercourse into marriage, Texas’s marriage laws reduce unplanned out-of-wedlock births and the costs that those births impose on society. Recognizing same-sex marriage does not advance this interest because same-sex unions do not result in pregnancy.”

In the brief, Abbott concedes that same-sex marriage might have some positive effects for society, like increasing household wealth and adoptions or providing a more stable environment for children raised by gay couples. While there might be benefits, however, he said it’s for the Legislature, not the courts, to decide whether to expand the right to marry.
http://blog.chron.com/texaspolitics/2014/10/abbott-texas-gay-marriage-ban-reduces-out-of-wedlock-births/


I am floored by the level of ignorance and misogyny in this statement. If out of wedlock births are so feared by the Texas AG they they need to address poverty in their state which is a cause, or maybe try providing access to birthcontrol for the impoverish in the state, not limiting it even further. Medicaid expansion in the state would have a direct effect on decreasing the number of unwed couples making babies down there, but gay marriage is what they want to blame the problem on?

On a brighter note, If you're a gay person in Texas wanting to get married in the near future, I don't see how even the conservative stuffed fifth circuit court is going to be able to rule in favor of this lame argument.
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Greg Abbott: Texas gay marriage ban reduces out-of-wedlock births (Original Post) herding cats Oct 2014 OP
Stupidity really should be excruciatingly painful to the stupid on saying it. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #1
Sadly it's only on painful for those around them mythology Oct 2014 #13
Translation? Kalidurga Oct 2014 #2
That is the argument. He doesn't like gays. herding cats Oct 2014 #4
Oh for a second I thought he was trying to make a reasoned arguement Kalidurga Oct 2014 #16
Greg Abbott is two tacos short of a combination plate. The fact that he's ahead of Wendy Davis in Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #3
how much alcohol would I have to consume before that statement makes any sense? niyad Oct 2014 #5
I might give it a try, but I fear I'd wind up needing my stomach pumped... nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #12
isn't he worried about all the out of wedlock and unplanned pregnancies of same sex couples? hollysmom Oct 2014 #6
I don't understand QED Oct 2014 #7
It's just amazing how they try to avoid saying "I hate gays"... roamer65 Oct 2014 #8
Next argument: regulating fertiliser plants would do little or nothing to encourage heterosexual ... muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #9
People older than 50 should not be allowed to marry either. uppityperson Oct 2014 #10
What a blithering idiot. Does he have any credentials. Is he a liberty U graduate? n/t RKP5637 Oct 2014 #11
Greg is a bad attorney Gothmog Oct 2014 #14
that there are people who would agree with and vote for this type of stupid JI7 Oct 2014 #15
When Bush came along, I though nobody could be dumber Rex Oct 2014 #17
He wants to regulate marriages based on "state interests"? Takket Oct 2014 #18
The obvious solution at this point davidpdx Oct 2014 #19
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
13. Sadly it's only on painful for those around them
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 08:16 PM
Oct 2014

You would think that a state that had Ann Richards as governor would maybe want to again have a governor who isn't a complete and utter idiot. But between Bush the younger, Perry and soon to be Abbott, I'm not sure the combined IQ would reach triple digits.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
16. Oh for a second I thought he was trying to make a reasoned arguement
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 11:23 PM
Oct 2014

*snort* I can't believe I typed that with a straight face.

Louisiana1976

(3,962 posts)
3. Greg Abbott is two tacos short of a combination plate. The fact that he's ahead of Wendy Davis in
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 06:33 PM
Oct 2014

the polls says something unflattering about te voters of Texas.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
6. isn't he worried about all the out of wedlock and unplanned pregnancies of same sex couples?
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:09 PM
Oct 2014

I think that should be brought up to him to give him something else stupid to think about. I have friends in Texas and I have friends in Florida, but I think their state legislatures might be fighting out the stupidest state title. It has nothing to do with them, that they are saddled with people who don't bring their brains to the voting booth.

QED

(2,747 posts)
7. I don't understand
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:10 PM
Oct 2014

Is this supposed to make sense? I can't follow the logic, if there is any logic here.


roamer65

(36,745 posts)
8. It's just amazing how they try to avoid saying "I hate gays"...
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:16 PM
Oct 2014

...without actually saying it. The Rethuglican mindset should be listed as a mental illness.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,310 posts)
9. Next argument: regulating fertiliser plants would do little or nothing to encourage heterosexual ...
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:22 PM
Oct 2014

...couples to get married and have children, so they shouldn't do it.

"It is enough if one could rationally speculate that opposite-sex marriages will advance some state interest to a greater extent than same-sex marriages will." He really thinks that the more same-sex marriages there are, the less opposite-sex ones there'll be? The man's a grade A moron.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
10. People older than 50 should not be allowed to marry either.
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 07:33 PM
Oct 2014

Recognizing elder marriage does not advance this interest because elder unions do not result in pregnancy.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
15. that there are people who would agree with and vote for this type of stupid
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 09:33 PM
Oct 2014

and not a small number or even a small but significant number, but close to majority

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
17. When Bush came along, I though nobody could be dumber
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 11:24 PM
Oct 2014

then Rick Perry showed up and I thought the same thing...then Abbott showed up. They just keep getting dumber and dumber.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
18. He wants to regulate marriages based on "state interests"?
Sat Oct 11, 2014, 11:37 PM
Oct 2014

That may be the most inane unamerican thing I've ever heard. Regulating relationships between consensual adults to what the stare thinks is best for them??? And these people call themselves the party of freedom????

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
19. The obvious solution at this point
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 12:24 AM
Oct 2014

would be to put all these people on an island without clothing, a limited amount of food, and lots of cameras. We could name it Hetrosexual Island. Then they would see just how unhappy they could be when someone interferes with their life.

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