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Dedicated to the Charlie Crist haters who won't vote for him just because. (Original Post) madfloridian Oct 2014 OP
Crist or Scott, both Republicans. One changed his affiliation for political expediency. Both evil. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #1
Yup. bigwillq Oct 2014 #2
Good luck if you are in Florida. madfloridian Oct 2014 #4
Not in Florida bigwillq Oct 2014 #5
WHat do you not understand about a lesser evil? HERVEPA Oct 2014 #30
I am not telling folks how to vote. bigwillq Oct 2014 #37
But you are saying that if in FL you would not vote for Crist, even if you knew yours could be HERVEPA Oct 2014 #38
If I lived in Florida bigwillq Oct 2014 #39
But if you came to the conclusion after all those considerations... HERVEPA Oct 2014 #41
If other candidates had no chance bigwillq Oct 2014 #42
Thanks. (I have no idea what you mean by all other options) HERVEPA Oct 2014 #43
I very much disagree with you. madfloridian Oct 2014 #3
Are you kidding? shenmue Oct 2014 #7
I doubt the OP even knows what Crist is on the issues, and why he changed parties still_one Oct 2014 #52
i find those who are always going on about lesse of 2 evils to be evil themselves JI7 Oct 2014 #9
Exactly. HERVEPA Oct 2014 #31
do you even know where each stand on the issues? They do not still_one Oct 2014 #51
It's not even close. Scott must be defeated NightWatcher Oct 2014 #6
Crist will support Voting Rights for all , he did it when he was A republican JI7 Oct 2014 #11
He will expand Medicaid. madfloridian Oct 2014 #12
one big reason to vote for Crist JI7 Oct 2014 #8
I'll be happy to vote for Crist. Looking forward to it. flvegan Oct 2014 #10
Crist is an opportunist who would switch back to GOP former9thward Oct 2014 #13
Not true. madfloridian Oct 2014 #14
Christ is a politician, and a statesman Tweedy Oct 2014 #15
If I lived in Florida I'd vote for Crist but not because I like him. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #16
Not even close. Rhinodawg Oct 2014 #17
I will be voting for him - this cretin needs to go DrDan Oct 2014 #18
Crist will be a world better than Scott... Sancho Oct 2014 #19
Crist--even as a Republican--was much better than Scott. Scott must go. nt geek tragedy Oct 2014 #20
Yes, Crist was better even as a republican. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #49
I refuse to vote based on party alone demwing Oct 2014 #21
I'm looking forward to voting for him. QC Oct 2014 #22
I feel badly that your best choice is a man who endorsed Palin as more qualified than Obama and then Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #23
Between voting for a Criminal, or a born-again Democrat, it's NO CONTEST JCMach1 Oct 2014 #24
Exactly. Hilary was even a Goldwater Republican. madfloridian Oct 2014 #40
That's the best reason, no more needed..... fadedrose Oct 2014 #25
Looking forward to voting for Crist! djean111 Oct 2014 #26
The Florida Democratic Party has worked very hard to make sure we have two Repubs on the ticket. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #27
I agree that the Florida Democratic party is not effective.... Sancho Oct 2014 #33
I agree with almost everything you said. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #36
Loves him some Palin. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #28
I'll vote for Charlie Crist, but I won't be proud of it. el_bryanto Oct 2014 #29
Scott, Crist split on Medicaid expansion Sancho Oct 2014 #32
I guess those planning not to vote for Crist already have good health insurance, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #34
wait, there's actually people here saying they won't vote for the Democrat in this election? wyldwolf Oct 2014 #35
Well, to be fair, if you do not support the Democrat on every single issue there is, Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #47
I never support the Democrat on every single issue there is but would never help elect the GOP wyldwolf Oct 2014 #48
He was drummed out of the Republicant party for supporting President Obama. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #44
And Tea Party hates him....another point in his favor. madfloridian Oct 2014 #45
You have to have a hole in your f-ing head not to support Crist against Scott. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2014 #46
that is something Nader would do. still_one Oct 2014 #53
This Floridian will happily vote Crist mcar Oct 2014 #50
.... madfloridian Oct 2014 #54
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
1. Crist or Scott, both Republicans. One changed his affiliation for political expediency. Both evil.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:09 PM
Oct 2014
Go ahead and vote for the lesser of 2 evils, cause you're still gonna wind up with EVIL!
 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
5. Not in Florida
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:15 PM
Oct 2014

Luckily. Wouldn't want either of those fools running my state.
It's bad enough the choices I have in CT

edit: Bad enough the choices for Gov I have in CT.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
30. WHat do you not understand about a lesser evil?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:30 AM
Oct 2014

Do you understand (if you were in FL) that much more actual harm will come to many more people under Scott than Christ. Likely people dying because of his policies.
This the fucking real world. It's not a utopia and never will be.
There are people in the mud underfoot getting trample while you maintain your purity.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
37. I am not telling folks how to vote.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:08 AM
Oct 2014

I am just saying how I vote. I hope folks vote for the person that they believe is the best candidate.

That said, I am not comfortable with voting for the lesser of the two evil options. Luckily, in CT, I have options.
For example, 2012. I did not vote for Obama since I knew he was going to win big in CT with or without my vote.

No harm, no foul.

Have a good one.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
38. But you are saying that if in FL you would not vote for Crist, even if you knew yours could be
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:12 AM
Oct 2014

the deciding vote. Am I correct in reading your previous comment that way.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
39. If I lived in Florida
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:37 AM
Oct 2014

I would consider several options (other candidates, polling, etc) before I would make a final decision, as I do in CT.
For example, in 2012, if the polls showed that Romney and Obama were neck and neck heading into election day, I would of voted for Obama.
Granted, you sometimes can't take these polls too seriously, but I think they are still a good enough judge, especially in CT, where the D candidate usually has an advantage.

 

HERVEPA

(6,107 posts)
41. But if you came to the conclusion after all those considerations...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:02 PM
Oct 2014

would you vote for Crist, assuming if there was another candidate (s)he had no cahnce?
It's a simple question.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
42. If other candidates had no chance
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:05 PM
Oct 2014

and I had exhausted all other options, I would probably vote for Crist.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
3. I very much disagree with you.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:12 PM
Oct 2014

Here at this forum now a person is damned if they vote against someone and damned if they don't.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
7. Are you kidding?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:26 AM
Oct 2014

Have you heard that Crist is now a Democrat?

And my ignore list gets another person to eat.

still_one

(92,062 posts)
52. I doubt the OP even knows what Crist is on the issues, and why he changed parties
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:48 PM
Oct 2014

The republicans do not represent his views period

JI7

(89,241 posts)
9. i find those who are always going on about lesse of 2 evils to be evil themselves
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:37 AM
Oct 2014

they come off as really hateful and inconsiderate with no concern for those who will suffer.

still_one

(92,062 posts)
51. do you even know where each stand on the issues? They do not
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:45 PM
Oct 2014

Agree on most things, and Crist subscribes more to Democratic principals than Scott

But I don't live in Florida, and it is their problem

However, if it was for a Senate seat, and that pseudo reasoning was used, it would even be more inane

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. It's not even close. Scott must be defeated
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:36 PM
Oct 2014

At least Crist will get the state health department to move on rapid implementation of the medical use of cannabis should it pass and he win. Scott will drag his heels and make it impossible.

Yes on #2 and Charlie Crist too. The attorney who sponsored the amendment is the same who hired Crist. Crist will comply with Morgan's desire to get cannabis out there to those who need it.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
11. Crist will support Voting Rights for all , he did it when he was A republican
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:39 AM
Oct 2014

and knew democrats were going to benefit. and he will do it now.

i know some don't consider right to vote for minorities to be a big issue but it matters to me.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
8. one big reason to vote for Crist
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:33 AM
Oct 2014

when he was Governor he made sure everyone was able to vote and kept polls open to let everyone who wanted to vote do so. in an election where Democrats were going to benefit the most from this.

at this time he was a republican and his entire political future was going to be based on that. he could have easily been sleazy like other republicans and did all he can to prevent people from voting but he didn't.

so i think just the issue of voting rights is a big thing and good reason to vote for him over creepy.

flvegan

(64,407 posts)
10. I'll be happy to vote for Crist. Looking forward to it.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:38 AM
Oct 2014

It's true that Republicans (and other idiots with the ability to cast a vote) when faced with the reality in the LAST election that Scott was a scumsucking weasel thief STILL voted for him, regardless, I'll be happy to vote for whatever D is rolled out for me to vote for. I don't have an actual choice (much like the bigger stages, but whatever). Crist will be much better than another round of Skeletor.

former9thward

(31,949 posts)
13. Crist is an opportunist who would switch back to GOP
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:36 AM
Oct 2014

if he thought it would help him. The same people slamming him when he was GOP are now praising him.

Tweedy

(628 posts)
15. Christ is a politician, and a statesman
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:26 AM
Oct 2014

Gov. Christ accepted the stimulus money Florida desperately needed publicly when other gop governors turned it down, attacked it and then went to ribbon cutting ceremonies paid for by it. Gov. Scott is a welfare fraudster, and goodness knows what else. Making the perfect (does such a candidate even exist?) the enemy of the good, leaves Florida in the hands of Gov. Scott.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
16. If I lived in Florida I'd vote for Crist but not because I like him.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 03:15 AM
Oct 2014

There's a big gap between dislike and outright loathing

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
19. Crist will be a world better than Scott...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 07:57 AM
Oct 2014

as much as I appreciate that people want a perfect progressive, liberal candidate - it's never happened in my lifetime and likely never will.

There are very clear differences between Scott and Crist - and it's not even a close call. If you are a Democrat (or even someone who believes in the environment, women's issues, education, or health care) - then you have to go with Crist over Scott.

Scott is the worst governor ever, maybe not just in Florida. He's a serious criminal who bought his way into the office, lies worst than Jeb (believe it or not), and he has an evil agenda to take all he can from Florida and give it to his friends. He is evil, enjoys being mean, and could probably be diagnosable as some personality disorder if he wasn't simply a white-collar crook. Even Scott's appointees (Lt. Gov., Sec. of Ed., etc.) are all crazy and criminal! Look at the track record.

Crist is admittedly a politician who knows what he has to say to get elected (the Democrats actually need more of those). He can raise the money and make the speeches to win over the independents and undecided. Crist will make big difference to Florida in terms of appointing judges, support for education (schools and colleges), public utilities, and the environment. He is not nearly as extreme as Scott, and Crist will go with the Democratic agenda if elected.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
49. Yes, Crist was better even as a republican.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:13 PM
Oct 2014

Worlds better actually. Still pretty bad. I will be voting for Crist only because of who he is running against. Scott is the worst of the worst and we really need him gone. I just can't contort myself to say many positive things about Crist. He is a snake oil salesman. I can talk ill of Scott all day long.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
21. I refuse to vote based on party alone
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:23 AM
Oct 2014

so I'll be voting for Crist because he's right on all the important issues concerning Florida.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. I feel badly that your best choice is a man who endorsed Palin as more qualified than Obama and then
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:49 AM
Oct 2014

joined her on stage to chant 'Drill here, drill now'. That's Sarah Palin. Endorsed her. Strongly. To be second in line for the Presidency of the United States.
I'm sure he's 'better' than the other guy. If I had to live there for some penance or other I'd probably vote for him too. But I feel badly for Florida.

JCMach1

(27,553 posts)
24. Between voting for a Criminal, or a born-again Democrat, it's NO CONTEST
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:13 AM
Oct 2014

Do people need to be reminded that both Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren and a host of other Democrats are former Republicans...?

Seriously...

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
40. Exactly. Hilary was even a Goldwater Republican.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:01 PM
Oct 2014

Yes, Scott thumbs his nose at the law and the people.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
26. Looking forward to voting for Crist!
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:06 AM
Oct 2014

The opinions of those who do not live here in Florida don't count.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. The Florida Democratic Party has worked very hard to make sure we have two Repubs on the ticket.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:11 AM
Oct 2014

They are an extremely flawed organization. Just about everyone who votes for Crist will be a "Crist hater". The verbiage used in your op has become exactly what is expected from the Florida Democratic Party. Oh yeah you haters, what you gunna do, vote for Scott?

The only reason to vote for Crist is because he is not Scott. You seem pretty happy supporting a guy that was a huge part of the initial part to privatize education in this state. Who knows where Crist stands today on the subject, but his history is clear.

Haters. lol. That is about the level we are now at.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
33. I agree that the Florida Democratic party is not effective....
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:44 AM
Oct 2014

but to win back this state, keep the Florida Supreme court appointees out of the hands of the crazies, make sure the 2016 Presidential election is not another Katherine Harris disaster, etc., etc. we MUST get Scott out!!!

Crist may be a middle-of-the-road politician, but he will be the way to turn Florida Blue.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
36. I agree with almost everything you said.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:53 AM
Oct 2014

Except for this. "Crist may be a middle-of-the-road politician, but he will be the way to turn Florida Blue."

He did not turn Florida blue his first time there, he will not turn it blue this time. I also don't see him as middle of the road. His past work with education, his recent past stances on social issues, etc. are not middle of the road positions. He has claimed to have become more middle of the road after the last couple of years. Still not hard to look "middle-of-the-road" when your opposition is Scott.

Still want to make it clear that I agree with everything else you said. You list some of the reasons I will be voting for him. Well, that and who he is running against.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
29. I'll vote for Charlie Crist, but I won't be proud of it.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:28 AM
Oct 2014

I'm ashamed to be a Florida Democrat that the best we can do is a republican retread who's claim to fame is that he's less crazy than Scott.

Bryant

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
32. Scott, Crist split on Medicaid expansion
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:36 AM
Oct 2014
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/scott-crist-split-on-medicaid-expansion/2201838

The Republican-turned-Democrat has become such a fervent supporter of the policy that he said he would consider using an executive order to get it done.

"A million Floridians are not getting the health care they need because of Rick Scott's lack of effort," Crist told the Tampa Bay Times/Miami Herald. "Florida deserves to have a governor who understands that this is affecting people's lives."

This one issue alone is enough to vote for Crist...

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
34. I guess those planning not to vote for Crist already have good health insurance,
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:48 AM
Oct 2014

and the plight of those low-income Floridians who don't is not especially important to them.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
35. wait, there's actually people here saying they won't vote for the Democrat in this election?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:52 AM
Oct 2014

Interesting. Who would have thought such a thing would actually happen.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
47. Well, to be fair, if you do not support the Democrat on every single issue there is,
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:49 PM
Oct 2014

why not help get the Republican elected?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
44. He was drummed out of the Republicant party for supporting President Obama.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:34 PM
Oct 2014

He has DemocratSinceBirth's enthusiastic support.

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