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applegrove

(118,622 posts)
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:03 PM Oct 2014

"Ebola Vaccine Would Likely Have Been Found By Now If Not For Budget Cuts: NIH Director"

Ebola Vaccine Would Likely Have Been Found By Now If Not For Budget Cuts: NIH Director

by Sam Stein at the Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/12/ebola-vaccine_n_5974148.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

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BETHESDA, Md. -- As the federal government frantically works to combat the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, and as it responds to a second diagnosis of the disease at home, one of the country's top health officials says a vaccine likely would have already been discovered were it not for budget cuts.

Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, said that a decade of stagnant spending has "slowed down" research on all items, including vaccinations for infectious diseases. As a result, he said, the international community has been left playing catch-up on a potentially avoidable humanitarian catastrophe.

"NIH has been working on Ebola vaccines since 2001. It's not like we suddenly woke up and thought, 'Oh my gosh, we should have something ready here,'" Collins told The Huffington Post on Friday. "Frankly, if we had not gone through our 10-year slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would've gone through clinical trials and would have been ready."

It's not just the production of a vaccine that has been hampered by money shortfalls. Collins also said that some therapeutics to fight Ebola "were on a slower track than would've been ideal, or that would have happened if we had been on a stable research support trajectory."





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"Ebola Vaccine Would Likely Have Been Found By Now If Not For Budget Cuts: NIH Director" (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2014 OP
Thanks GOP, Historic NY Oct 2014 #1
Yup. McCain just called for an ebola czar.... shouldn't that be the surgeon general? applegrove Oct 2014 #2
Good point. nt WhiteAndNerdy Oct 2014 #7
With The Nov Election Just Weeks Away - The Dems Should Make An Issue Of Not Getting The President's global1 Oct 2014 #16
Because neoliberals don't really want to let progressive populists take control of the party? Tommymac Oct 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #27
Right - It's The President's Fault We Don't Have A Surgeon General Because.... global1 Oct 2014 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #40
Do you really think they'd confirm anyone Obama nominated now? dflprincess Oct 2014 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #53
I agree dflprincess Oct 2014 #54
It particularly was opposed by the NRA and Libertarian Rand Paul. Guns Guns Guns YOHABLO Oct 2014 #55
Doing so would probably be a good way out of a delete_bush Oct 2014 #31
Thank you, applegrove.. I just saw this on another site and was looking to see if it were here. Cha Oct 2014 #3
That's for Damn Sure! burrowowl Oct 2014 #4
I heard a remark on NPR stating that if it was profitable, Big Pharma would have had the cure years adirondacker Oct 2014 #6
The same for Cancer RockaFowler Oct 2014 #41
that should not surprise any fans of DU. redruddyred Oct 2014 #60
No guarantees. They haven't found a HIV vaccine either despite all the money and research davidn3600 Oct 2014 #5
That is assuming that HIV research has been fully funded all along - which I doubt. -- n/t mazzarro Oct 2014 #17
But they do have a very effective therapies dbackjon Oct 2014 #28
not a cure, but they have been able to make it manageable JI7 Oct 2014 #46
HIV is no longer a death sentence redruddyred Oct 2014 #59
K & R Iliyah Oct 2014 #8
Don't worry. The private sector will take up the slack. Kablooie Oct 2014 #9
Bush's Thousand Points of Blights. kairos12 Oct 2014 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Oct 2014 #29
Some day in the future the historians will tally up all the lives ruined and destroyed ... DrBulldog Oct 2014 #10
Austerity Land is where we reside courtesy of Republi-cons. kairos12 Oct 2014 #11
They'll find out that being the ruling class in a third world country - which is where they've been dflprincess Oct 2014 #50
If you have a heart and a conscience you won't vote for any Republican young_at_heart Oct 2014 #13
Agree 1000 percent. kairos12 Oct 2014 #56
But, but, but.... ReRe Oct 2014 #14
Everyone forgets the sequester. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2014 #15
Which is still in full effect... BTW. Hugin Oct 2014 #22
Why should I pay fer mah neighbor's contagion! johnnyreb Oct 2014 #18
Diseases and Terrorists Turbineguy Oct 2014 #19
I think he was wrong to say that. goldent Oct 2014 #20
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #21
I hate that they have to use Ebola as an example - been a problem for a long time. Avalux Oct 2014 #24
that's because SCOTUS thinks microbes are intellectual property redruddyred Oct 2014 #58
huh??? heaven05 Oct 2014 #25
Yes, they do with something they don't want you to see HockeyMom Oct 2014 #37
Yeah, well I remember all the CT's heaven05 Oct 2014 #39
They only had limited amounts of that treatment. applegrove Oct 2014 #38
Extreme Right Had Been Claiming Ebola Is A False Flag Operation... TomCADem Oct 2014 #26
Keep hammering home the Sequester and the government shutdown. It's all on the GOP's hands. randome Oct 2014 #32
Thanks Rethuglicants! blackspade Oct 2014 #33
Sorry, but I am skeptical joeglow3 Oct 2014 #34
You stole that from "The Disruptors Handbook," didn't you? nt valerief Oct 2014 #36
"Yeah, but our guys let us have our guns!!!! Wahoo!!!! valerief Oct 2014 #35
Let's pretend they had double the budget B2G Oct 2014 #42
Lay it right at the GOP's door. Right where it belongs. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #43
Kick this for the GOP crew. Kingofalldems Oct 2014 #44
So it's grist for the political mill...meh! HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #45
Disagree. This is exactly why we need to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for programs that protect grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #47
Now it has turned out to be a race between the spreading of ebola and ... DrBulldog Oct 2014 #48
F$ckin' Republicans AllyCat Oct 2014 #51
Republicans are such miserable fucks at heart BeyondGeography Oct 2014 #52
About damn time someone said this. Hekate Oct 2014 #57
I call a little BS on this too. kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #61
Canada found a researcher in Europe who wanted to do great applegrove Oct 2014 #62
here's a story ... ctaylors6 Oct 2014 #63
Agree. nt Raine Oct 2014 #64

global1

(25,242 posts)
16. With The Nov Election Just Weeks Away - The Dems Should Make An Issue Of Not Getting The President's
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:07 AM
Oct 2014

pick for Surgeon General approved. It is the Repubs that are blocking that. Why aren't the Dems shouting that out on all the MSM news programs.

What are we waiting for - the Repubs to make an issue that because of Obamacare hospitals have cut back on infection prevention spending and cut back on staff to remain profitable. Are we waiting for them to go on the offensive.

If McCain called for an 'ebola czar' - turn it around on him and say - hey approve the President's Surgeon General.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
23. Because neoliberals don't really want to let progressive populists take control of the party?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:25 AM
Oct 2014

Welcome to the kabuki.

Response to global1 (Reply #16)

global1

(25,242 posts)
30. Right - It's The President's Fault We Don't Have A Surgeon General Because....
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:11 PM
Oct 2014

he's picked someone that the Repubs don't like. Or is is because maybe anyone he picks won't be acceptable to them - because they are obstructing everything he does.

So let's just get the President to pick someone else - right. That will solve things. Do you detect the sarcasm in my response?

Response to global1 (Reply #30)

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
49. Do you really think they'd confirm anyone Obama nominated now?
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:28 PM
Oct 2014

And they'd turn it all around (with the help of MSM) and make it look like it was his fault there wasn't a SG in place already.

Response to dflprincess (Reply #49)

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
54. I agree
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:59 PM
Oct 2014

but there's no way they're going to approve one - no matter who Obama nominates and they'd just use a new nominee against him.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
55. It particularly was opposed by the NRA and Libertarian Rand Paul. Guns Guns Guns
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:59 PM
Oct 2014

They're going to take away our GUNS!!

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
31. Doing so would probably be a good way out of a
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:40 PM
Oct 2014

bad situation (i.e., the R's holding up the nomination).

My limited understanding of this is that there are also 10 D's who are not backing him. He's 36 years old and completed his residency a mere 8 years ago. It looks like he's done a lot of worthwhile things since then, but he's also been very politically active for Obama.

Obama could address the nation on Ebola, explain how the R's are holding up this critical position, and nominate someone else. We get a SG, the R's are embarrassed (if that's possible), and Mr. Murthy still has many productive years ahead of him.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
3. Thank you, applegrove.. I just saw this on another site and was looking to see if it were here.
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:36 PM
Oct 2014
It's not just the production of a vaccine that has been hampered by money shortfalls. Collins also said that some therapeutics to fight Ebola "were on a slower track than would've been ideal, or that would have happened if we had been on a stable research support trajectory."

"We would have been a year or two ahead of where we are, which would have made all the difference," he said.

burrowowl

(17,639 posts)
4. That's for Damn Sure!
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:45 PM
Oct 2014

Damn the Drug Companies and their profiteering from NIH and the Repukes cutting funding and, and .....

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
6. I heard a remark on NPR stating that if it was profitable, Big Pharma would have had the cure years
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 11:53 PM
Oct 2014

ago.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
46. not a cure, but they have been able to make it manageable
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:31 PM
Oct 2014

and people are able to live a very good life as long as they get the care .

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
59. HIV is no longer a death sentence
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 08:28 PM
Oct 2014

not too bad considering the severity of the illness and the challenges of retroviral therapy.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
8. K & R
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:23 AM
Oct 2014

GOPers are to busy doing the bidding of their masters while the true Americans get less while "we" are paying the most in taxes. AIDs outbreak should have never went as far as it did. The negligent of higher ups ignored the potential devastation because in their eyes it dealt with "dark people" and "homosexuals". The monies still provides for research in AIDs which is important even to this date, same with Cancer.

The GOP house cut what Pres O requested monetary wise for Ebola, if the Senate Dems tried to request more, Senate GOPers would have blocked it and therefore the monies would have remained in limbo, because GOPers only care about self (1-2%ers) and no matter what, they have enough potential vaccines to save self and eff anyone else.

Kablooie

(18,628 posts)
9. Don't worry. The private sector will take up the slack.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:26 AM
Oct 2014

What do you mean they didn't do it?

...

Well, of course they didn't because Benghazi!
It's obvious.
All you have to do is apply a little cigol.

Response to Kablooie (Reply #9)

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
10. Some day in the future the historians will tally up all the lives ruined and destroyed ...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:32 AM
Oct 2014

... - and all the myriad ways it was done - by the Republican Party of the United States, 1981-2017.

kairos12

(12,856 posts)
11. Austerity Land is where we reside courtesy of Republi-cons.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:38 AM
Oct 2014

They will wake up only when they realize ebola doesn't respect gated communities and private security.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
50. They'll find out that being the ruling class in a third world country - which is where they've been
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:30 PM
Oct 2014

trying to take us - isn't all they thought it would be.

young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
13. If you have a heart and a conscience you won't vote for any Republican
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:46 AM
Oct 2014

They simply don't care about anything other than their own interests!

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
14. But, but, but....
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:49 AM
Oct 2014

.... GWB's wars. Wars are more important than research for antibiotics and serums to treat such things as the super bug and mere ebola. USA! USA! USA!

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
24. I hate that they have to use Ebola as an example - been a problem for a long time.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:37 AM
Oct 2014

Infectious Diseases research in general has been grossly underfunded....depending on for profit big pharma to develop anti-infectives only leaves us at risk for falling behind to where we are unable to stop the tiny little organisms that invade and consume human bodies. However that's what's happened, and as a result we are way behind the curve.

It's been decades and decades since penicillin and vaccination discoveries....we should be better prepared. Ebola is the canary in the coal mine and we need to take heed.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
58. that's because SCOTUS thinks microbes are intellectual property
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 08:27 PM
Oct 2014

actually it's a trend which started in the 80s but we are seeing the effects of it now in epidemics such as lyme, ebola, drug-resistant tb.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
25. huh???
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 10:52 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:56 PM - Edit history (1)

what about the people that got infected(volunteers) and were flown back to america and were cured by some 'experimental' vaccine? I'm sure I read about that somewhere. Can't find it though. Been removed from search engines.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
37. Yes, they do with something they don't want you to see
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:32 PM
Oct 2014

Internet isn't controlled? Seen that happen. I bookmarked an old typewriter typed report (photocopy) from a 60s study of mutated strain of measles. Went back to get it several times but got 404 Error Message.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
39. Yeah, well I remember all the CT's
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:59 PM
Oct 2014

about HIV and I always knew that if you smell smoke, there is a fire somewhere. No matter how well hidden.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
26. Extreme Right Had Been Claiming Ebola Is A False Flag Operation...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:21 AM
Oct 2014

...from several months ago, so that is their ready answer.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
32. Keep hammering home the Sequester and the government shutdown. It's all on the GOP's hands.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:44 PM
Oct 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
33. Thanks Rethuglicants!
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 12:52 PM
Oct 2014

Each American Ebola death is on you (as well as Africans who would have had access to the vaccine as well)!

valerief

(53,235 posts)
35. "Yeah, but our guys let us have our guns!!!! Wahoo!!!!
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:06 PM
Oct 2014

"Ain't nothin' more important than having guns!!!!"

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
42. Let's pretend they had double the budget
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 04:16 PM
Oct 2014

Ebola had only killed 1582 people in total until now...since 1976.

I have no reason to believe it would have been a priority for them. In fact it strains the imagination to believe it would have been.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
45. So it's grist for the political mill...meh!
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 05:30 PM
Oct 2014

AMONG AMERICANS with nothing to gain by politicizing but wanting control over a very frightening virus, who the fuck cares?


 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
47. Disagree. This is exactly why we need to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for programs that protect
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 08:56 PM
Oct 2014

us all.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
48. Now it has turned out to be a race between the spreading of ebola and ...
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 09:18 PM
Oct 2014

... the widespread incompetence of the Texas hospital system.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
61. I call a little BS on this too.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 08:39 PM
Oct 2014

You have to look at where NIH and Pharmaceutical companies put their priorities. NIH has plenty of money but politics enters into the equation there also. The high visibility diseases...cancer, heart, get the bulk of the funding because that's what congress wants and pharmaceutical companies, ever mindful of their profit motive, cater their drug research to where they will get the most consumers. They have funds to perform the research for vaccines for Ebola...they just don't think enough people suffer from the disease to make a huge profit. And big Pharma wants the NIH to fund and fund the basic research and then they will step in, license the drugs, and charge the consumers an arm and a leg for something that essentially was mostly funded by taxpayer money in the first place. AND you better believe that many NIH officials and researchers have stocks in all those big Pharma companies. The system stinks from the top to the bottom...the bottom being your medical specialist who also has stock in the companies whose pills they push.

It's really complicated they way it works. But the way it SHOULD work is simple.

applegrove

(118,622 posts)
62. Canada found a researcher in Europe who wanted to do great
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 08:44 PM
Oct 2014

work on ebola. They hired him. He moved to Winnipeg and ran the research at a government lab. They are now testing that vaccine on Americans.....no chance of getting ebola while you're on it. But that is how public health works. The market would never have tried for a vaccine for a virus that up to then had only affected a few thousand people in poor rural areas in Africa. It needed nonmarket thinking to come to pass.

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