Anybody hear on CNBC that CDC director "doesn't know how nurse "

[lovuian]

"got ebola"

I thought it sounded like CDC is backing off the "break in protocol" idea....going to I don't know

[LisaL]

1. They don't know.

She says she was following protocol and has no idea how this supposed breach occurred.

[Mass]

2. Or he does not know how exactly she broke protocol.

Nobody was there with her, so they do not know what she did exactly.

[PDJane]

3. I happen to suspect that the woman wasn't properly decontaminated

When ridding herself of the suit. That's how most people who wear those suits become infected/irradiated/conatiminated.

[LisaL]

5. What suit?

The protocol calls for a gown.
Not even a suit.

[PDJane]

21. Jesus. Now that's ridiculous.

I found out last night that the protocol for health care workers isn't the same as that for labs working with the virus, at least in the USA. That's insane.

Generally, when workers are contaminated, it is when the gear is coming off. There is a problem with the current protocols. A big problem.

[LisaL]

22. Yes, protocols are less stringent than biosafety level 4 protocols that

CDC employees use when working in the lab with the virus.

[MineralMan]

4. Probably even the nurse doesn't know what

she did during the safety protocol that allowed the Ebola virus to infect her. Unless there was continuous video of her throughout the time she was involved in patient care, along with all aspects of her PPE process, nobody will ever know.

That's what he meant, I'm sure. Somehow, the protocol was breached and she ended up being infected.

[LisaL]

6. Maybe the whole protocol is no good.

[MineralMan]

9. There are a million "maybes."

What I said is that it is impossible to know how this happened without continuous high quality video. Such video does not exist.

What do you suggest be done?

[LisaL]

11. How do you know there is no video?

They had video in Spain.

[MineralMan]

13. I don't know. However, if there were such video,

it would be in the process of being examined closely. The thing is that it would be almost impossible to get video of every step of the process from all angles. People turn around or turn away from the camera's view.

As I said in another reply, there is no 100% error-free method of doing any complicated isolation process. As long as there are Ebola patients being cared for by people, some of those care-givers are going to become infected with Ebola. Not most of them, but some. Human error is the reason.

[lovuian]

7. Well CNBC said CDC director is backing off the "breach of protocol"

answer to how she got it to ...."He doesn't know"

there are many factors and one is equipment...is the equipment sterile from ventilators to suction machines

is the equipment used in the hospitals built for ebola

just a thought...some hospitals go for cheaper brands and gloves not defective or other equipment

[LisaL]

8. The TX hospital was not build for Ebola.

Just a regular old hospital.

[lovuian]

15. I think that point should be conisdered

when he said a "Large number" makes me wonder if the lunch room contaminated for all the nurses
She certainly didn't wear a gown and glove outfit to the lunch room

Yes Nurses are allowed to eat and usually with co workers

[MineralMan]

12. Well, I certainly have no idea about any of that.

I'm not there, and I'm not qualified, even if I were there.

The CDC Director was not there, either, although he is qualified.

One thing is certain, though: If people are involved with caring for Ebola patients, some of them will end up being infected, regardless of the protocols or any other factor. People make mistakes, and mistakes cause protocol errors in cases like this.

And that's the bottom line. Frankly, I wouldn't volunteer to care for an Ebola patient for any amount of money. Some health care workers, however, will, thank goodness. They're heroes, in my opinion.

There is no 100% fail-proof method for protecting people who come into contact with Ebola patients. That is the simple truth.

[morningfog]

10. They have always said they don't know how the

protocol was breached.

[lovuian]

14. I know that suction regulators are made from different

companies and some have advantages and disadvantages.....I'm not sure they should use wall suction for Ebola Patients
just a thought

[pnwmom]

18. But they also don't know THAT the protocol was breached.

And that's probably why they're revising their protocols.

[LiberalArkie]

16. I wonder which one is following the correct protocol?

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[LisaL]

19. I would go with the one on the left as more secure.

She has head cover and shoe cover.
Under current cdc guidelines, the one on the right is sufficient (but I don't think so).

[lovuian]

17. Love that picture Exactly

Hospitals better start gearing up

[kestrel91316]

20. No. Nobody can figure out how she broke protocol.

That doesn't mean she didn't break protocol.

And it sure doesn't mean that "ZOMG IT'S GONE AIRBORNE AND WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!"