Rachel is tearing the Clintons and Panetta a new one

[malaise]

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for the anti-Obama campaign they are planning for 2016.
Fugging self-defeatist - you are correct Rachel and so is Rolling Stone.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

[mth44sc]

1. If they want to run again this President

and fill the campaign with assholes - then she will likely have the same success she had in 2008.

[Egnever]

4. Agreed

the path for her victory is wide open just like it was in 2008 the only one who can close it right now is her. Old habits seem to die hard however and it appears she and her advisers will do their damnedest to ensure she does not win.

Could be a historic figure as the first female president and the first first lady to be elected president but it seems she is determined to do everything in her power to see that doesn't happen.

The missteps before she has even announced are pilling up already.

[Pisces]

12. I don't understand these missteps. It is crazy. The door is wide open for her and she is way off

base so early in the process. I hope these are trial balloons or just 2014 Senate tactics. If this is the direction of her campaign
I hope she has a lot of big donors because she will not be getting $1 from me.

[dflprincess]

15. No doubt she thinks the fix is in

She'll put out the typical appeal for money from the proletariat to make us think she needs us, but she doesn't need us or our money.

[Chakab]

84. They're not "missteps." This is who she is.

[Pisces]

6. Or less success as she will not have Obama to give her the Secretary of State job. Biting the hand

doesn't work out for most people.

[yeoman6987]

34. Too bad only 2 million watch her show

She is pretty good.

[kelliekat44]

44. I guess they didn't learn anything from Al Gore? nt

[DonCoquixote]

77. ^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

after all the whining they did about Gore.

[Pisces]

2. This will be the Clinton's undoing. They are going to piss off a lot of people. The arrogance of

bashing Obama after he selected her for Secretary and set her up to run for President will not be lost on the African American
community. I am getting enraged just listening to Rachel. I hope she changes her strategy and quits listening to the morons
giving her advice. While she's at it, she better drop the fake laugh and quit dancing around questions.

I am not liking the direction she is going.

[bigdarryl]

3. Democrats are there own worst enemy

If these guys think running against the President is going to give them brownie points there sadly mistaken.

[malaise]

9. They never forgave him for winning the Primary

and the Presidency twice.
Why would they pull this crap at mid-term?

[freshwest]

37. They never made any sense in 2008 with that. Obama was the best candidate, period. She lost me in

the primary debates with her style, and he won me with his. He was willing to learn and think ahead.

I didn't see anyone of his intellectual caliber in the race. Voting for Obama after watching the 2008 competition was simply a no brainer.

Just as it was in 2012:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. Umm ... we're talkin Hillary here ... nothing surprising.

[malaise]

25. I stay out of most Clinton threads

I am not a fan. Rachel was impressive tonight

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

5. The part about the Reagans and astrology was also very good.

[malaise]

8. And so is the ReTHUGlican cuts kill ad being shown now

[bullwinkle428]

7. Good to see her discussing the "topic that dare not speak its name"!

I saw this coming at least a year ago if not longer. DU is going to become a VERY INTERESTING place over the next two years, I reckon.

[Pisces]

14. It will be volatile for sure. I hope she fires the moron's advising her up to now. I think she would

lose the primary to Webb if she continues to bash Obama. How could she lose all of the good will Obama set her up for, even in
his 60 minute interview earlier this year when he named her as the front runner!!

Good luck doing it without Obama or Obama supporters!! I will unsubscribe from all donor lists.

[LawDeeDah]

23. If she is so stupid to take such bad advice...

nothing else to say.

[Hoppy]

39. How do you know it isn't the real her and not bad advice?

[LawDeeDah]

42. I don't

The signs are not good either way:.

1. She is responsible for her own stupidity or
2. She is stupid to take such stupid advice.

No Thank You.
Never thought she was the sharpest knife the drawer.

[littlemissmartypants]

53. Or at this point she doesn't give a sh*t because

She Knows she doesn't have to care. Not at this point anyway. That can look stupid.

She just became a Nana. Give us a break.

It's the side effect of all that Oxytocin.

~ littlemissmartypants 🙆

[Pisces]

75. Your comments are off the mark. "Stupid" " Not the sharpest knife" Your spots are showing Dee.

[fadedrose]

55. Good point

[malaise]

27. That's what you call it

Jurors will be working overtime

[littlemissmartypants]

49. Yep. nt

[bigwillq]

10. The Clintons have no shame (nt)

[LawDeeDah]

13. They are completely without grace.

[dflprincess]

16. Probably behavior they learned hanging with the Bush family. nt

[bigwillq]

17. Probably, because, deep down, they're really weak

And not leaders but followers.

[fadedrose]

56. But who has them in their pocket?

[littlemissmartypants]

50. You can take the

Boy outta Arkansas, but you can't the Arkansas outta the boy.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

64. Which is a shame.

[LawDeeDah]

11. I'm really surprised Rachel went there. She certainly is gutsy.

Have a feeling Rachel will not be on msnbc much longer.

Haven't seen the show but hope to catch it on rerun later on msnbc net.

[kelly1mm]

18. I doubt MSNBC will be around (at least in it's present form) much longer. nt

[GP6971]

30. I agree

unless their ratings pick up

[fadedrose]

82. MSNBC's success depends a lot on the November elections

They may have lower ratings, but the Dems winning some big elections would indicate that the Dems are the ones to please to the sponsors.

[bullwinkle428]

19. That's why I called it the "topic that dare not speak its name" upthread!

She's going out on a limb big-time, and I hope she doesn't end paying for it with her career.

[fadedrose]

57. CNN has put some decent programs

on about politics and news in general. Anderson Cooper may be harder on her ratings than Larry King or Piers Morgan were. I hope this wasn't her last hurrah!!

[NYC_SKP]

20. And she just showed the killer anti-GOP Ebola ad.

[malaise]

24. I love that ad

ReTHUG Cuts Kill - great bumper sticker

[dflprincess]

26. That is a work of art.

n/t

[Greybnk48]

28. I just posted this on FaceBook.

This ad "cuts" right to the bone. Excellent.

[NYC_SKP]

29. Excellent idea!

[brer cat]

33. Wow. That is a great ad!

I hope it is going to broadcast coast-to-coast until the election. That is brutal and true.

[ZombieHorde]

67. Ha!

I hope it goes viral.

[Baitball Blogger]

21. If Clinton goes on an anti-Obama tirade and leans right, all I have to say is that

she obviously thinks she can win this next election without the people that got Obama elected.

[bigwillq]

22. It would be a shame if she went anti-Obama

Heck, she worked for him. She's partly to blame for any kind of failure she may think occurred during Obama's administration.

[GP6971]

32. You got that right

She shares the blame.

[fadedrose]

59. "IF"

It is a shame that she WENT after Obama. But let's think this over....either she's thinking it would be nice to be president right away. Make him resign? So many threats on his life, wait till he's shot or wounded?

No, I don't think so. The real party she's after is Vice President Joe Biden, and his tight association and agreement with the failed Obama.

How pitiful. To destroy him to destroy Joe. or Elizabeth...

Joe seems more likely because hurting Obama doesn't hurt Warren - only Joe, the nicest and most honest guy in politics (there aren't enough to name on 5 fingers)..

[Baitball Blogger]

80. I will always be thankful to Biden for his performance during the debates.

But, I just wonder what he was thinking when he didn't support Anita Hill during those hearings, when he had the opportunity to haul in the other witnesses.

I fear that his omission may have been an indication that there was was quid pro quoing going on in the background.

[fadedrose]

81. I think that Biden always felt that the President..

even if a Republican, was entitled to his choices for various positons. I don't recall him voting against anyone. I recall that he tended to criticize to a great degree, but then wound up voting and wishing the nominees luck....

He didn't so much vote against Anita, but went for Thomas out of respect for the presidency.

There was one nominee for SC that was voted down but I can't remember his name, and don't know if Biden was involved or not.

[SoapBox]

36. She starts bashing President Obama...it's gonna tick me off.

And I'm over Panetta and his bullshit as of late.

[DonCoquixote]

79. her whole wing thinsk exactly that

and rest assured, even if she talks a populist game, the very first people on the chopping block will be the people she has always hated, the left.

[BeyondGeography]

31. These "old pros" are terribly error prone...When you get your ass beat fair-and-square

you need to get over it or you'll just get your ass beat again.

[CakeGrrl]

35. Hillary has bad instincts and would be a bad manager.

She used to BE a Republican.

She hired GOP Mark Penn for her 2008 campaign.

She "weighs in" on issues after she knows which way the wind blows.

She's a bigger friend to corporations than people here accuse the President of being.

Who knows what progress she'll undo to move away from her predecessor's policies?

[Logical]

40. +1000 nt

[Cleita]

38. Hope she keeps exposing them.

The Clintons have passed their expiration date as far as I'm concerned. I never did like Panetta.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

41. The Clintons are hard core DC Villagers....

They look at Obama's poll numbers and think it's a great idea to trash him for being too Liberal.

What they don't get is that the BASE of the Democratic Party is disappointed because he's not Liberal ENOUGH as they pat each other on the back for filling the conservative vacuum caused by the Republicans going into the nut house.

And what they ALSO don't get is that vast "middle" they believe decides elections doesn't exist.

[saidsimplesimon]

43. malaise, thank you

Will the readers spend any time on your comment? It seems some would blame the MSM for all their sorrows without reading a line. We are the MSM.

[LovingA2andMI]

45. The Problem with Hillary Clinton is....

Hillary Clinton. It always was, always has been. She comes off fake and extremely phony. It's more than obvious Clinton only worked for Obama as the Secretary of State to keep her "namesake" in the media circles, because everyone knows in Washington, D.C. if you're NOT being talked about -- you do not exist.

Being a ex-Presidential candidate usually would not keep one's name on top of media circles unless the idiot walking name is Sarah --Wasilla Trash-- Palin.

The point is Hillary Clinton inter "hate" for Barack Obama did not end after she was soundly defeated by a little known Illinois based U.S. Senator whose last appearance before announcing his run for President in 2008 was at the 2004 Democrat Convention. Hillary just learned how to hide her "hate" better -- to in her opinion only -- reach Hillary's goal of being the first Female President of the United States.

Now, as for Panetta -- OF COURSE he was sent on the "attack dog" status by all things Hillary. To believe anything otherwise is smoking some great Hookah. Panetta and Hill are thick as thieves. She asked and he delivered, period.

All of the above gives great and long winded reasons why Hillary Rodham Clinton should NEVER be President of the United States in this or any other lifetime. Also remember -- Hillary used to be and IS in her deepest of hearts -- a REPUBLICAN!

[fadedrose]

60. She didn't work for Obama for her namesake

She did it to hire the minions of followers she has, maybe to have blogs, tv interviews, newpaper articles, and jobs at the State Dept. They are all coming thru for her now.

No scruples.

(Of course, nobody in DU is like that, thank goodness)

[blkmusclmachine]

46. Remember the brouhaha the Clintons caused regarding Blanche Lincoln in 2010.

[spanone]

47. k&r...

[zentrum]

48. To do this now

..on the eve of the November midterms is disgusting. These two, Panetta and Clinton, aren't just hurting Obama. They are encouraging the whole idiotic strategy that many voters apparently take during midterms----"punish the incumbent by voting for the other party".

It's disgusting. They are helping to turn the Senate into a teabag outpost. She's always been a closet Republican anyway.

[fadedrose]

51. Am watching her right now....

She's seems brave, as usual...Didn't see her the first program and just turned it on now....

Defending Obama...my favorite people do that....not a perfect guy, but a good man . . .

[malaise]

68. She was excellent

[KeepItReal]

52. Sec. Leon Panetta and Sec. Hillary Clinton know what they can do.

The President is trying to make the best of the f@cked up mess of a Middle East that HILLARY VOTED TO AUTHORIZE in the form of Cheney/Bush's half-assed invasion of Iraq.

[mimi85]

54. Wow! That was awesome!

I rushed in the other room to see the 9pm opening on the west coast. Loved it!! Panetta sure sold out - no big surprise really. And I don't think this will hurt Rachel's career at all.

[Drunken Irishman]

58. If Hillary thinks she can win the Democratic Primary by running to Obama's right...she's delusional.

[nirvana555]

61. She's pissin' me off more and more. There is simply no reason for them to be doing this.

It's low-class and is making me sick of her already.

[Raine]

62. Rachel was EXCELLENT! ! ! nt

[PFunk]

65. Just saw Rachel's piece and it's sad.

Nice way to piss-off much of the Democratic base you NEED to vote for you Hillary. If this is the case the expect a repug in the white house in 2016 with a record low vote count due to many dems just staying home.

The dems only hope now it so please can we get someone else to counter her run for nomination!

[nolabels]

66. I think that Rachel should be drafted for the position

She has the brains and the cojones

[mfcorey1]

69. If this is true, she has just lost one of her biggest supporters and I am taking a lot of

people with me!

[tavernier]

70. Yes, it's traditional

for democrats to eviscerate each other before coming elections. It just makes the contest that much more exciting.

[woo me with science]

71. If Dems run Hillary, it will be because

corporatists in both parties have decided it's time for a Republican to best further their agenda.

As for the impact on this election, the corporate goal is never majorities. The corporate goal is always closely divided government.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5635152

[bullwinkle428]

72. "You thought my husband was a great Republican president? You ain't

seen NOTHING yet!!"

[SomeGuyInEagan]

89. Bill was the best Republican president of my lifetime.

Not something to brag about, though.

[LawDeeDah]

73. Hillary may reveal Plan sooner.... HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/13/hillary-clinton-2016_n_5977490.html

Hillary Clinton May Reveal Her 2016 Plans Even Sooner Than We Thought

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hasn't yet announced any plans for the 2016 election, but the New York Times reports she may weigh in on a potential presidential run sooner than later.

In September, Clinton said she would decide whether or not to pursue a presidential campaign after Jan. 1, 2015. But the NYT's "First Draft" reported Monday she could speed up any 2016 announcement if the Democrats lose ground in the midterms:

If Democrats lose control of the Senate in the midterm elections, the party may need to quickly pivot to the presidential campaign, several people close to Mrs. Clinton said.

The Democratic Party would look to Mrs. Clinton “as its Noah’s ark,” a vessel on which voters and donors could channel their enthusiasm and frustration, said one of these people, who could discuss the internal deliberations only on the condition of anonymity.

Noah's Ark. ?? oboy. This does fit in with the backstabbing and treachery.

[AngryAmish]

74. Someone is yelling on television.

Great.

[jwirr]

76. And what she is telling us will not make Hillary any more popular. This Panetta stunt says she

thinks we are all stupid. She had better throw him under the bus in a hurry.

[flamingdem]

78. Hillary needs to stop that crap

I mean she's going to get the nomination and win without it.

[LondonReign2]

83. This must be quite the conundrum for

our DLC pro-Obama, pro-Hillary folks

[LiberalArkie]

85. Just remember Bill and Hillary went to school to be corporate attorneys

The wanted to serve the corporations and defend them. Nothing has changed except they got older.

[csziggy]

86. Her negative campaigning was why I didn't vote for Hillary in 2008

I've always liked her, in fact I voted for Bill both times because I like Hillary. But in 2008 her campaign took on a Republican negative campaign feel. Rather than keeping with the issues, she tried to trash Obama in irrelevant ways. This rubbed me the wrong way, so I didn't vote for her in the primaries.

Why should she attack a fellow Democrat especially one who will not be running against her? That is demented. There are plenty of flaws in the Republican philosophy to attack, and pretty much an infinite number of problems with any of the potential Republican candidates. The Clintons should stick with attacking them - unless they really agree with Republicans more than they do Democrats?

If she goes this route, I may vote for a third party candidate.

[whereisjustice]

87. lolololol - Clinton fancies herself as a real life Carrie Mathison, saving the Motherland!

Jesus, we are so fucking fucked.

[LawDeeDah]

88. Was Rachel supposed to follow up on this tonight?