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Should Allison Lundergan Grimes have answered who she voted for? (Original Post) Logical Oct 2014 OP
Why is the concept of "secret ballot" so hard to understand? Rosco T. Oct 2014 #1
How about that answer on debate questions also? Perfect! nt Logical Oct 2014 #3
But Chuck Todd disagees with you... kentuck Oct 2014 #6
Chuckie FUckie can kiss my shiny metal ass... n/m Rosco T. Oct 2014 #58
She says she's a Clinton Democratic. Isn't she telling us who she voted for. Debra919 Oct 2014 #14
+1 riqster Oct 2014 #29
Yertle was trying to get Alison to say the O-word KamaAina Oct 2014 #2
Imagine a GOP candidate doing this! The DU would laugh their asses off! nt Logical Oct 2014 #5
No (nt) bigwillq Oct 2014 #4
i'd like to hear from the yes people as to why a secret ballot should be on display for all belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #7
Because she is running for congress Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #32
It seems a goofy thing to bother with dancing around on to me TheKentuckian Oct 2014 #8
No, but let's be honest -- That was really a "Do you support PBO"? -question Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #9
Should be, 'Was it worth it for Grimes to not answer the question if it costs her the election?' Dawgs Oct 2014 #10
The correct question: kentuck Oct 2014 #11
OK. Yours is good too. n/t Dawgs Oct 2014 #12
Well her non-answer does not seem to have swayed the PTB in DC as they are pulling her kelly1mm Oct 2014 #26
Can you post that link, Kelly1mm? kentuck Oct 2014 #30
Sure. Here you go. kelly1mm Oct 2014 #40
The problem with that is those thin-ice questions are going to keep coming Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #53
Yes she should have said who she voted for Politicalboi Oct 2014 #13
Does it matter now???????????? CK_John Oct 2014 #15
Huge story still in the news, so YES! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #22
Yes scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #16
Of course she should have. And she should have done it proudly. The_Commonist Oct 2014 #17
No way, it's the principle of the thing, jen63 Oct 2014 #18
As long as she sticks to her principles yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #33
It's nobody's business, jen63 Oct 2014 #41
It is our business if she voted for Romney yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #42
Oh please. It's not. jen63 Oct 2014 #45
Well since I am from Maryland yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #51
PURE GNEWZ BULLSHIT. she should vcote romney??? is she a democrat? its BULLSHIT. pansypoo53219 Oct 2014 #19
Not even close! Legit question. And one all candidates would answer! nt Logical Oct 2014 #21
it's more important to have her in the senate, than to have her pass a fake loyalty test. La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #20
And her no answer might cost her the win! nt Logical Oct 2014 #24
but she didn't say no, she said respect the privacy of the ballot box La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #25
Bogus answer! And hurt her. Nt Logical Oct 2014 #46
I don't think "kiss my ass" would have been proper for TV. lpbk2713 Oct 2014 #23
I picked "No", because riqster Oct 2014 #27
Yes and then turn around and ask Mitch if he voted for Sarah Palin! B Calm Oct 2014 #28
Mitch has already said he voted for McCain. Travis_0004 Oct 2014 #34
She should have said, I voted with the vast majority of Americans and you Mitch voted for a LOSER! B Calm Oct 2014 #36
Ooohh, I like that... 3catwoman3 Oct 2014 #54
No Kalidurga Oct 2014 #31
But the "independents" love it. kentuck Oct 2014 #35
I wish she would have asked about Mitch's voting history. Kalidurga Oct 2014 #38
Someone who is running for the US senate should be an established enough politician that who they... JVS Oct 2014 #37
You believe a private ballot jen63 Oct 2014 #43
What did I say that would even make you think that? JVS Oct 2014 #49
Hilarious. n/t jen63 Oct 2014 #52
Wonder why the dem senate committee pulled out today? Timing riversedge Oct 2014 #47
She should have just said "of course I voted for the party's nominee". PeteSelman Oct 2014 #39
What I find ridiculous is that this is even a thing. blogslut Oct 2014 #44
Completely optional. moondust Oct 2014 #48
To me she did answer it by not answering JonLP24 Oct 2014 #50
Its a sign of her willingness customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #55
The ASSUMPTION is she voted for Obama. But what if she really voted for R-Money? Erose999 Oct 2014 #56
What would she fear answering the most? Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #57

Rosco T.

(6,496 posts)
1. Why is the concept of "secret ballot" so hard to understand?
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:45 PM
Oct 2014

Her proper answer should have been "none of your dammed business"

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
6. But Chuck Todd disagees with you...
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:52 PM
Oct 2014

And Andrea also.

This is an ad that could have been running in Kentucky today:

"Yes, I voted for Barack Obama and I am very proud of that vote." I'm Mitch McConnell and I approve this message.

Do you think that would have been a winning answer in Kentucky??

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
2. Yertle was trying to get Alison to say the O-word
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:46 PM
Oct 2014

she has been distancing herself from Obama the whole campaign.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
32. Because she is running for congress
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:17 PM
Oct 2014

I wouldnt ask a new employee if they are pro chice, but its a fair question to ask a Senator.

She is allowed to avoid the question, but Mitch is allowed to try to use that against her.

Its not like people dont assume she voted for Obama anyway. If she would have said "I voted for Obama because I thought he was a better choice than Romney, bit I disagree with Obama on A B and C, nobody would have said anything. Instead she might spend the next three weeks avoiding the question, which huts her ability to get her message across.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
8. It seems a goofy thing to bother with dancing around on to me
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:02 PM
Oct 2014

Will it prove to be the best strategy? Maybe but I don't see it. She needs to drive over vote in the black community far more desperately than she needs anti Obama marginal Democrats from what I can see because I don't believe she can get too many of them. They will stick with McConnell for pure pork power his position and longevity help drive.

Also, while I think they will turn around there are those who rankled at the obvious hedging and likely their enthusiasm is dampened with little opportunity to recover.

This is not a Presidential year which means it is much more a base turnout driven situation.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. No, but let's be honest -- That was really a "Do you support PBO"? -question
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:04 PM
Oct 2014

Instead of trying to dodge and evade it, she should have made a definitive statement one way or the other...

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
10. Should be, 'Was it worth it for Grimes to not answer the question if it costs her the election?'
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:06 PM
Oct 2014

Because that's what should matter.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
11. The correct question:
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:11 PM
Oct 2014

"Was it worth it for Grimes to answer the question if it costs her the election?"

kelly1mm

(4,732 posts)
26. Well her non-answer does not seem to have swayed the PTB in DC as they are pulling her
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:00 PM
Oct 2014

funding for ad buys. Maybe it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't decision?

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
30. Can you post that link, Kelly1mm?
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:04 PM
Oct 2014

That is an interesting development. I don't think it will hurt her that much. It will only point out her independence, which will help her in Kentucky, in my humble opinion. Also, does Hillary cancel her appearance with her this week??

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
53. The problem with that is those thin-ice questions are going to keep coming
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:04 PM
Oct 2014

Now that she has shown her reticence in answering

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
13. Yes she should have said who she voted for
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:18 PM
Oct 2014

We would not have this poll had she done that. It's a distraction that she doesn't need.

 

scarystuffyo

(733 posts)
16. Yes
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:28 PM
Oct 2014

and right now she's thinking the same thing and wishes she could do it over again.

She knows she messed up and people who are defending her non-answer is weird

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
17. Of course she should have. And she should have done it proudly.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:42 PM
Oct 2014

It might be a "secret ballot," but she's not a secret person.
She's a public figure running for office on the Democratic ticket.
She should have said "Of course I voted for Obama, you nit-wit! I'm a Democrat, and I'm proud of it."

jen63

(813 posts)
18. No way, it's the principle of the thing,
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:56 PM
Oct 2014

and I don't care if she's running in a political campaign or just walking down the street. Our rights have been eroded enough and answering McConnell's question would set a dangerous precedent. The frog is almost at full boil folks.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
33. As long as she sticks to her principles
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:19 PM
Oct 2014

Which should have been, "I loved for President Obama". It might have been I one commercial that McConnell made, but now she is getting much worse slack that does not seem to be going away.

jen63

(813 posts)
41. It's nobody's business,
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:34 PM
Oct 2014

that's what everyone is missing. It should be obvious to everyone any way. Ridiculous.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
51. Well since I am from Maryland
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:47 PM
Oct 2014

It totally doesn't matter. Only voters in Kuntucky and the heads of the Democratic Party have a decision to make. They only matter when deciding if she was wrong or not.

pansypoo53219

(20,972 posts)
19. PURE GNEWZ BULLSHIT. she should vcote romney??? is she a democrat? its BULLSHIT.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:50 PM
Oct 2014

reminds me of that question at the 1st 1984 debate by that black guy. BULLSHIT!

lpbk2713

(42,753 posts)
23. I don't think "kiss my ass" would have been proper for TV.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:53 PM
Oct 2014



But it would have been appropriate AFAIC.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
36. She should have said, I voted with the vast majority of Americans and you Mitch voted for a LOSER!
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:27 PM
Oct 2014

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
35. But the "independents" love it.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:22 PM
Oct 2014

I don't think she loses anything with her response. In the short term, a bit of confusion. In the longer run, a net positive for her.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
38. I wish she would have asked about Mitch's voting history.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:32 PM
Oct 2014

I would like to see what he does if someone asks his history from 1952-to present.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
37. Someone who is running for the US senate should be an established enough politician that who they...
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:29 PM
Oct 2014

supported in the most recent presidential election should be a matter of public record. We shouldn't even need to ask.

riversedge

(70,187 posts)
47. Wonder why the dem senate committee pulled out today? Timing
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:42 PM
Oct 2014

Wonder if she did not vote for Obama?? Just asking--or wondering...

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
39. She should have just said "of course I voted for the party's nominee".
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:33 PM
Oct 2014

"The idea of voting for Romney was absurd."

Pretty simple.

moondust

(19,972 posts)
48. Completely optional.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:43 PM
Oct 2014

Secret ballot, private matter.

"None of your business." Game over.

It reminds me of the grotesquely biased hit job the media did on Al Gore in 2000. Everything he said or did was presented in a negative light while everything Bush did was presented in a neutral or positive light or simply ignored.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
50. To me she did answer it by not answering
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:47 PM
Oct 2014

Distancing herself as far away from Obama as possible (while McConnell doing exactly the opposite) is obviously the main component of her campaign strategy, by not answering the question she told me she voted for Obama.

Personally, I feel candidates should be more straight forward and those candidates I trust more to do the right thing but if you're going to play the middle better be good at it. I remember in the height of SB 1070 it was difficult to pin where a Democrat running for top Arizona offices on where they stood on it they still suffered crushing defeats while Felicia Rotellini (who I voted for in the primaries that year because she appeared to be the most progressive candidate) took a clear stand & was outspoken on it and suffered a very narrow defeat. It took a few days to determine the winner.

She is running again this year for AG again and while I constant ads basically suggesting that the 3 main targets (Kirkpatrick, guy running for governor, and Kristen Sinema) are going to open up the border and let the terrorists run free Rotellini's attack ad basically is limited to she has never prosecuted violent criminals (her area was more fraud and white collar type crimes) & "liberal agenda".

Though I respect Kristen Sinema a lot so I don't lump her with the play-the-middle Democrats that still get attacked badly. Like Rotellini, I voted for her in the primary because she appeared to be the most progressive and winning in my district which was luckily redistricted to include most of Tempe & ASU campus.

On edit - I also really don't like the question itself because a real journalist would simply question Lundergran Grimes on her strategy to distance herself rather than something that appears to be a trick question relating to that topic.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
55. Its a sign of her willingness
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:39 PM
Oct 2014

to stand up for what she believes in. We have enough Democratic-in-name-only types in the House and the Senate.

If a Repuke failed to say that he'd voted for McCain and/or Romney, we'd lambaste him for being a weasel, trying to play it both ways. I don't see anything unfair about the question, and the re-questioning.

Stand for something, or you'll fall for anything.

Erose999

(5,624 posts)
56. The ASSUMPTION is she voted for Obama. But what if she really voted for R-Money?
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:39 PM
Oct 2014

"Clinton Democrat" = potential backstabber.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
57. What would she fear answering the most?
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:53 PM
Oct 2014

I voted for Obama? Why? Her supporters, democrats and people who came around to favoring her all probably assumed she did. It is quite possible that she did not vote for Obama, that would explain the silence and the support being pulled, especially if it is factual. Something fishy here I think.

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