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babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:44 PM Oct 2014

Democrats are pulling out of the Kentucky Senate race. Here’s why that’s important.




Democrats are pulling out of the Kentucky Senate race. Here’s why that’s important.
By Chris Cillizza October 14 at 3:34 PM


Roll Call newspaper -- Fix alum! -- broke the news Tuesday afternoon: The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee had pulled its TV advertising for the final three weeks in the Kentucky Senate race. That decision effectively leaves Democrat Alison Lundergan Grimes on her own and is rightly read as a sign that national Democrats believe the race is effectively over. (The DSCC didn't not return an email seeking comment on their decision.)

The DSCC's decision to pull out of Kentucky, a race in which they had spent months insisting was closer than most public polls showed it, is a recognition that in a year in which the Senate map and the national political climate are tilted against them, the party's best chances to hold the majority now rests in trying to hold onto their endangered incumbents.

One Democratic strategist closely following the Kentucky race insists that Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) is still beatable but that Senate Democrats have to prioritize sitting Senators at this point in the election cycle. "The DSCC action is less about the viability of the race, and probably the recognition that, in tough years the priority — in the House AND the Senate — is protecting the incumbents," said the source. "In other words, defense not offense."

Another Democratic consultant tracking the McConnell-Grimes contest largely agreed, noting that pulling money out of Kentucky means "you can play in Georgia, which is within the margin and the trend lines are going the right way, expand buys in Arkansas, Alaska, North Carolina, Colorado, Iowa and Louisiana, which are all neck and neck, and then gamble on a wildcard like South Dakota."

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Democrats are pulling out of the Kentucky Senate race. Here’s why that’s important. (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2014 OP
Chris Cillizza whoring for the gop again... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #1
He's not whoring if that's what's going on. And... babylonsister Oct 2014 #7
Good lord. OilemFirchen Oct 2014 #29
Gravis. reflection Oct 2014 #40
One poll out of the last two months had her +2 madville Oct 2014 #20
Alison has been traveling the entire state... kentuck Oct 2014 #22
OH how I/WE hope you're correct, kentuck, elleng Oct 2014 #27
I just have a feeling The Traveler Oct 2014 #28
:-) kentuck Oct 2014 #36
This doesn't make sense. Cleita Oct 2014 #2
No, it doesn't since... kentuck Oct 2014 #17
Last poll had had McConnell +4 madville Oct 2014 #23
Pisses the Caretha Oct 2014 #43
B.S.analysis by the Washington Post.....the race is still very close, money is limited...Grimes can Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #3
Why be pissed at the WaPo if the dscc is withdrawing their support? babylonsister Oct 2014 #8
Not pissed at anyone, the analysis is wrong, could be many reasons for the withdrawal.... Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #11
True. kentuck Oct 2014 #42
and what would be the value of an "intentionally" misleading headline? brooklynite Oct 2014 #14
It is not going to help, but more to the point is the constant twisting of all facts to be either Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #44
Usually campaign committees generally stay when a race is competitive. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #37
They are telling local KY reporters they might come back in the race. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #4
Iowa just took a turn for the worse KamaAina Oct 2014 #5
Oh wow.... truebrit71 Oct 2014 #9
Could be because of her gaffe Politicalboi Oct 2014 #6
Gaffe? KamaAina Oct 2014 #10
I don't see it as a gaffe bigwillq Oct 2014 #13
I can only guess that the DSCC's own internal polling is showing them something we don't see. stevenleser Oct 2014 #12
Optimism, I like it justiceischeap Oct 2014 #15
They probably want McConnell to win? kentuck Oct 2014 #16
It sure seems like it, doesn't it? eom Cleita Oct 2014 #18
I have a hunch... kentuck Oct 2014 #19
riiiiiiiight AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #21
Oh, silly me. kentuck Oct 2014 #25
Obama probably killed that Libertarian in Iowa too!!! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #31
Funny. kentuck Oct 2014 #32
As long as we're making things up. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #38
I would agree. AtomicKitten Oct 2014 #41
LOL Cali_Democrat Oct 2014 #24
The Democratic party LOVES gridlock! n/t leftstreet Oct 2014 #26
Huh? Dems want that? Are you serious? babylonsister Oct 2014 #30
You would think so, huh? kentuck Oct 2014 #33
I agree there; I don't know what their motives are, babylonsister Oct 2014 #35
Alison posted her quarterly contributions. kentuck Oct 2014 #45
no surprise Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #34
The DSCC is battling for the majority, and does not have infinite resources. tritsofme Oct 2014 #39
 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
1. Chris Cillizza whoring for the gop again...
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:46 PM
Oct 2014

...I thought the latest polls show her ahead in that state?

babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
7. He's not whoring if that's what's going on. And...
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:50 PM
Oct 2014
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2014/10/14/mcconnell_slightly_ahead_in_kentucky.html



October 14, 2014

McConnell Slightly Ahead in Kentucky

A new Gravis Marketing poll in Kentucky finds Sen. Mitch McConnell (R) leading challenger Alison Lundergan Grimes (D) by just three points, 50% to 47%.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
29. Good lord.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:32 PM
Oct 2014
The Worst Poll in America

There's always one, and so far in 2014, Gravis Marketing is in the lead for the prestigious Strategic Vision Award for Botched Polling. In Texas, its final poll of Sen. John Cornyn's primary gave him a weak 43–28 lead over Rep. Steve Stockman. This was 25 points off—Cornyn beat Stockman, one of the laziest campaigners in recent Texas memory, by a 59–19 margin. (Other anti-Cornyn candidates split the rest.)

In Kentucky, Gravis closed out with a poll that found Mitch McConnell up by 14 points—48 to 34 over Matt Bevin. When I met Bevin at CPAC, he pointed out (not incorrectly) that he was burning a trail across the state, quite a contrast to Stockman. Gravis was slightly less wrong this time, as Bevin won 35 percent of the vote. But McConnell won 60 percent, for a 25-point margin that more than doubled Gravis'. The poll that gives the most hope to insurgents does so by being wildly off.

I called Gravis's Doug Kaplan, who explained the results. Gravis called up voters who planned to participate in the primary, but didn't screen for people who'd voted in previous primaries. (There was a highly contexted, Tea Party-powered primary as recently as the 2011 gubernatorial race.) "We should have done that," Kaplan said. "In crosstabs, if you look at Republicans only, we nailed that -- McConnell was at 60 percent."

madville

(7,408 posts)
20. One poll out of the last two months had her +2
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:29 PM
Oct 2014

Everything else has had Mitchy +3-5 points. They just had their debate and the voting controversy thing so polls in a week should reflect some of that.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
22. Alison has been traveling the entire state...
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:32 PM
Oct 2014

and getting votes that are not showing up in the polls. She will still win this race.

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
28. I just have a feeling
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:10 PM
Oct 2014

That the outcome will be decided by a very narrow margin, that Alison is within striking distance (despite the dust up over the "did you vote for Obama" question), and that this is no time to wimp out.

I'm in GA ... been donating to Nunn ... now feel I have to send some of my limited bucks towards KY.

Trav

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
2. This doesn't make sense.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:46 PM
Oct 2014

I'd like to know what is behind it all, you know, the back room deals and all.

madville

(7,408 posts)
23. Last poll had had McConnell +4
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:33 PM
Oct 2014

But it was a Fox poll, drop both of those and McConnell has about a +3 average

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
43. Pisses the
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 08:13 PM
Oct 2014

crap out of me. For hell's sake...how do we ever expect to win if we're not willing to fight till the end.

This tells me Mitch McConnell is willing to sell his soul to all the players and the 3rd way Dems are willing to buy it.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
3. B.S.analysis by the Washington Post.....the race is still very close, money is limited...Grimes can
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:48 PM
Oct 2014

win with her stellar debate performance and remaining other financial support....the headline is misleading....intentionally so?

I have added the Wash. Post to my list of corporate media that no longer bother to hide their bias for the GOP, payback for bottomless ad purchases. Another one corrupted.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
11. Not pissed at anyone, the analysis is wrong, could be many reasons for the withdrawal....
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:59 PM
Oct 2014

the withdrawal of an unknown amount of financial support has an unknown impact because the total spending from all sources is unknown , and unknown financial support considered or contemplated and not given is not "withdraw of support".

Also when more money is committed to a race it is said that is because the candidate is faltering...you can analyze it both ways equally.

brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
14. and what would be the value of an "intentionally" misleading headline?
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:13 PM
Oct 2014

Voters in Kentucky are going to be influenced by a story on campaign tactics in the Washington Post?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
44. It is not going to help, but more to the point is the constant twisting of all facts to be either
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 09:07 PM
Oct 2014

anti-liberal or pro GOP, it is a purposeful pattern....the negativity is expounded upon, the positive is buried underneath.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
37. Usually campaign committees generally stay when a race is competitive.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 06:09 PM
Oct 2014

Either the DSCC thinks she is a shoo-in or she's doomed.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
6. Could be because of her gaffe
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:49 PM
Oct 2014

Now it's all about who she voted for in 2012 and 2008. I hope she wins, but maybe Bill and Hillary can give her a few bucks. She did vote for Hillary over Obama after all.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
10. Gaffe?
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 03:54 PM
Oct 2014

You mean "trap". Yertle was trying to get her to say the O-word, after she's been distancing herself from Obama the entire campaign. And of course the M$M has picked this non-event up and run with it.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
13. I don't see it as a gaffe
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:10 PM
Oct 2014

nor do I think her answer would be a deciding factor in someone voting for her or not. I hope not, at least. That would be quite silly, imo.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
12. I can only guess that the DSCC's own internal polling is showing them something we don't see.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:08 PM
Oct 2014

It seems counter-intuitive. A three point race is one in which you have a shot three weeks out. It also seemed like the momentum was going in Grimes' favor.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
15. Optimism, I like it
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:14 PM
Oct 2014

Maybe polling is showing they don't need to spend more money there because the race is as close as it gets and in the final 3 weeks its up to Grimes to win it or lose it.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
19. I have a hunch...
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:28 PM
Oct 2014

that the orders came from the White House. If she will say that she supported Obama, the money will come back into her race. Politics is a dirty business. A possibility?

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
41. I would agree.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 07:49 PM
Oct 2014

Silly you. Obama rescued Hillary from having to go back to the Senate where she was a junior Senator, 90-something'th in seniority, with no chairmanship of any committee. Instead he lifted her up and gave her a job that would promote her career setting her up for future endeavors. What did he get for that? Benghazi and a knife in the back from her and her surrogates. The reasonable reaction to that would be to kick her/their backstabbing ass to the curb, but Obama is a better man than most and suggesting otherwise is simply absurd because it is frustratingly apparent by all measure that that is not the way he rolls.

babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
30. Huh? Dems want that? Are you serious?
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:39 PM
Oct 2014

You don't think they'd love to kick McConnell to the curb if it was in their power to do so?

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
33. You would think so, huh?
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:44 PM
Oct 2014

But it seems they are deserting her rather prematurely to me. I would say she has a better chance than Udall in Colorado.

babylonsister

(171,054 posts)
35. I agree there; I don't know what their motives are,
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:52 PM
Oct 2014

other than what was said above about internal polling, but I can't imagine that's always 100% accurate.

kentuck

(111,076 posts)
45. Alison posted her quarterly contributions.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 09:15 PM
Oct 2014

Right after that news about the DSCC.

It seems she has raised about $16 million this quarter! She doesn't need the help of the DSCC and I guess they have decided not to run the "Cut! Cut! Cut!" ad about Ebola and the lack of funding for NIH, etc...?

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
34. no surprise
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:47 PM
Oct 2014

Her polling I think was overstated. I have lived in Kentucky since 1976. Outside of the metro areas she does not do well. That pretty much leaves you with Louisville and parts of Lexington.

tritsofme

(17,374 posts)
39. The DSCC is battling for the majority, and does not have infinite resources.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 07:02 PM
Oct 2014

It is triage time. Grimes has been stumbling the last few weeks, if the numbers aren't there, at some point they have to cut losses. They can always go back on the air if it makes sense.

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