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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:02 PM Oct 2014

Maybe we need a new law enforcement organization

One that only has the arrest authority over regular police forces.

No more "internal investigations" or "administrative leave". Have a force that has no authority over regular citizens but only has the job of investigating and arresting regular police officers.

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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
4. I was thinking more a full time professional organization
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:11 PM
Oct 2014

Not a board to review complaints then take the results of internal police investigations.

A group of officers that could patrol and arrest on the spot officers using excessive force and the ability to conduct their own investigations.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
9. Ah, thanks. I think I get it now. Not a bad idea. An elite, smaller investigative force with power.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:22 PM
Oct 2014

(By "smaller," I mean small than the police force.)

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. Administrative leave takes the officer off the streets while they are being investigated
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:07 PM
Oct 2014

Even cops get due process and have job protection measures.

If Internal Affairs is found to be full of corruption, most states have their own investigative bodies as does the Dept of Justice.

There are already mechanisms in place to do what you want.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
5. My problem with Internal Affairs is it's still police investigating police
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:12 PM
Oct 2014

Separate Internal Affairs to an entirely different organization with no cross pollination.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
7. Like I said, there are State police agencies and DoJ for that as well
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:18 PM
Oct 2014

No one is going to pay for, staff, and train a completely separate group of leo's to patrol the streets, watching for cops to do something wrong. Imagine how silly it would be to have Cop police cars driving around looking for cop cars doing wrong.

And then once the Cop police become corrupt, the Cop police Police would be formed to watch for crooked cop watcher watchers...

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
10. I know it's frustrating sometimes, but things do get investigated and sorted out
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:23 PM
Oct 2014

Body cameras on every cop would be a great start

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. Already have one, called Internal Affairs
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:09 PM
Oct 2014

and evidently some PDs don't have one or don't use it if they do have one.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
6. Internal affairs = .....
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:14 PM
Oct 2014

"We committed a crime but we investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong"

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
12. That was my point
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:34 PM
Oct 2014

The structure is setup where police investigate their friends and co-workers.

There is supposed to be a firewall, but it's obviously not working.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. Yeah about as useful as a 'pentagon internal review'.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:37 PM
Oct 2014

Wrong doing by the Pentagon? NP, they are investigating...themselves. Again.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
13. Maybe not.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:35 PM
Oct 2014

Like I said above. It might be a silly idea but every state has an internal investigation group.

Oh well, just a thought

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
15. In NC the State Bureau Of Investigation does that
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:01 PM
Oct 2014

All officer involved shootings are investigated by them, unless it is a very large department. I never worked in an agency large enough to have an internal affairs department.

Also any suspected corruption, misconduct, etc. is also handled by them, and departments routinely ask them to step in on other cases where there may be conflict of interest.

Any traffic accident with a local department is investigated by the State Highway Patrol.

Having state agencies in oversight of all PD's for investigations like this would be good policy in all states.

therehegoes

(37 posts)
16. Yes if you add judges and officials too
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:14 PM
Oct 2014

www.friscopaul.blogspot.com


Enclosing the text of an email provided to a national news show:

I am sending you this package today on behalf of my friend, and victim of what I believe is rampant corruption involving public officials in Texas.

At the time he was tried, I did not know the details of the case. A few months after trial, his daughter gave me a box of evidence, told me I was the only person her father trusted, and requested that I to look into it.

Even with an untrained ear, I could tell the evidence had been tampered with. I then set out to find out if someone could tell me technically what had happened. Every step of the way, I had experts confirming the findings of other experts-- they even found additonal blanked out spots that no one else had found (indicating to me that none of his attorneys did much to prepare for trial).

We now have a rock-solid evidence that Mr. Bailey acted in self-defense and in accordance with Castle Law in Texas and the Frisco, Texas Police Department,

1) made multiple errors of protocol and judgement,
2) were parties to a police-assisted theft after Mr. Bailey asked that they not allow his adult son into his house,
3) refused to apologize for their grievous errors in police protocols and their assistance in the theft,
4) tampered with the evidence by removing his call out to his son who had been threatening him (proving he acted in accordance with Castle Law),
5) committed perjury,
6) city officials denied Mr. Bailey extensive exculpatory evidence prior to and after trial despite the Attorney General directing them to do so.
7) participated in a malicious prosecution of Mr. Bailey because Mr. Bailey had set up a blog to tell his side of the story, and
8) conspired with other Texas authorities (including Judges and DA's as well as prison officials) to persecute Mr. Bailey while behind bars and attempt to intimidate anyone outside that will assist him.

Interesting tidbits/sidenotes:

1) The lead Detective, Debra Stansell's, death was quite suspicious. Mr. Bailey had hoped to have her testify at trial. An as yet, unidentified female police officer told Mr. Bailey that Debra Stansell was very grieved at what had happened to him.

2) In the last couple of months, Officer Greer who perjured himself on the stand, has himself been dishonorably discharged for sexual misconduct with a rape victim who later turned up murdered. He is now decertified from testimony and endangered hundreds of cases according to the articles published on him.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/frisco/headlines/20140709-frisco-detectives-sexual-misconduct-may-jeopardize-trials.ece

Frisco claimed to have done an audit, to check for other instances of misconduct, but they clearly omitted looking for other improprieties like the ones in Mr. Bailey's case. We are positive they are aware of the improprieties because hits on Mr. Bailey's blog have gone through the roof, the Writ of Habeas has been pending for months and this notice is on the docket.

There are only limited reasons that discovery would be sealed like this and one of the reasons would be an ongoing investigation, however, despite letters from Mr. Bailey to the Judge and this court appointed “Public Pretender” asking for the reason (which is supposed to be disclosed), no information has been forthcoming, regardless of the law requiring it.

3) The Frisco, Texas Interim City Attorney was also recently arrested for cutting her boyfriend and shooting out his window. She was formerly married to the Judge in the court where Mr. Bailey was arraigned, but her husband abruptly turned in his resignation to Governor Perry just a day or so after Mr. Bailey was arrested in 2009. We believe Frisco's City Attorney may have been instrumental in advising the PD that there was serious liability after Mr. Bailey was arrested, intimidated by a SWAT team, a helicopter overhead, and snipers on his neighbor's rooftops---and ROBBED with the assistance of their own officers.

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/mckinney-attorney-arrested-for-aggravated-assault.html/

Please understand, Texas Castle Law allows Mr. Bailey to protect himself, and his property from a perceived intruder, no one was injured from Mr. Bailey's warning shot, and in no way, is Mr Bailey responsible for the bogus 911 call made by his son (who later robbed Mr. Bailey with the help of Police), or the 911 Operator and Police making multiple critical errors in their duties and ignoring police protocols which set the stage for the evening's events. Once police realized the next day that they had assisted Mr. Bailey's son in theft, they realized they had a serious problem on their hands. We believe the cover-up began then and Debra Stansell would have been an impediment to the success of that cover up.

This Writ of Habeas package outlines what happened in Collin County and walks you through the evidence. The Executive Summary Starts on Page 5.

1)  The first file is the Habeas Cover Sheet required by the State of Texas.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEb1hCR3Q5YUNDeDA/edit?usp=sharing

2) The 2nd file, continues the motion.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOETjE5Uk42TGgxQkk/edit?usp=sharing

3) The 3rd through 7th  files are attachments and evidence.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEVF9ZU3VUVnFPR1U/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEbzJTVDkweVdDdkE/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEalpwcENZU1FweUk/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEV0RrMmlINDZaS1k/edit?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0A0RQkG9cOEMTMyYXNhSGlROGc/edit?usp=sharing



The additional case in Dallas County was oddly opened I believe in order to accomplish two goals:

1) get Mr Bailey out of Collin County and away from his blog where he was exercising his First Amendment rights and
2) made it so he could be held for months, prior to trial, so that he could not attend his hearing for new trial in Collin County.

Mr Bailey filed bankruptcy on the issue in question, but he was later charged with theft on that very issue. Although these issues were raised, Judge Hawthorne has:

1) manipulated the docket,
2) denied transcripts and evidence to Mr. Bailey,
3) sat on a writ of habeas for months,
4) signed documents ordering a “court-ordered” conflict of interest,
5) backdated documents to convince Mr. Bailey that he has no way to get justice,
6) testimony from foreign nationals occurred via power of attorney and
7) double-jeopardy occurred in the SAME trial because they tried him on two indictments,

Please note: I have also included all that I know about the Judge Hawthorne case, including an affidavit of my experience when I met his trial sidebar counsel at the courthouse (after he told me he would assist me in obtaining Mr. Bailey's transcripts so that he could prepare for his future legal issues with this case).

Mr. Bailey recently filed suit in Federal Court to have the issue reviewed that the Bankruptcy Judge erred when failing to enjoin Dallas and inform them that they had no jurisdiction in charging Mr. Bailey with a theft for a debt that was discharged previously in bankruptcy (as even the attorney for the other side advised his clients at the time), it was thrown out and the Judge ordered Mr. Bailey to file the issues in the very same court that erred! I believe you would call that “the fox guarding the henhouse”. Furthermore, even though the Judge threw out the case in a frivolous manner after being caught red-handed changing the respondant from the Bankruptcy Court to TDCJ (Texas Department of Criminal Justice), they have the power to “make the law” essentially and bar victims of this type of “justice” from seeking justice as “in forma pauperis” (as a pauper), meaning that once they are destitute, they can no longer file their grievances in court unless they can afford to pay a $400 filing fee. At any rate, I believe it implicates Federal Judges in the conspiracy against Mr. Bailey as well. Please understand, however, that I've told Mr. Bailey repeatedly that “they didn't invent these strategies just for you, they've been honed successfully against many before you” (what I fear probably numbers in the thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of victims unable to comprehend perhaps what has happened to them, or who don't understand the questionable ethics and/or conflicts of interest of those using the strategies used against them).


Synopsis of many of the issues I've covered along with links etc.

http://friscopaul.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-details-of-case-that-will-be-used.html

I should also point out that all along the way, Bank of America is also implicated, because as soon as Mr. Bailey was arrested in Collin County, they began to put the financial squeeze on Mr. Bailey by jerking a mortgage modification illegally in an attempt to make sure he could not sell the house to provide for his defense. That saga is now complete, because they recently had the home declared “abandoned”, when it was not, and seized the home illegally. They did so by filing for foreclosure so that Mr. Bailey could not keep the home rented, therefore making it so he could not support himself or his legal fees behind bars.

Finally, I have been logging and scanning evidence of multiple civil rights violations occurring inside the prison system (at multiple locations) while Mr. Bailey has been there. The violations are staggering. The officials do not believe they are subject to any laws themselves.

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