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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould you be willing to take a loyalty oath?
That you will not run against Barack Obama on any issue or in any race until he is out of office? Is that asking too much?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Is that not a loyalty oath?
It's not.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)drone murder, killing U.S. citizens without due process or the TPP they will get my vote. They will, however, be running against Obama on those issues.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Loyalty oaths are for those that can't be trusted.
siligut
(12,272 posts)True, once they learn the truth, without the oath, they could turn back.
Loyalty oaths may also be manipulative tools used to take advantage of good people.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The very notion of 'loyalty oaths' is repugnant. Save it for Republicans.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)??????????
Loyalty Oaths from YOU...Here?
kentuck
(110,950 posts)But I pick up hints that some people almost expect that?
KoKo
(84,711 posts)And..yes...times are tough right now...and we are working to keep the Senate...and all of us who care are on top of this... But...your post seemed to discount that.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Smacks of monarchism. Disgusting!
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)He is president, not the fucking King.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Who's asking for one? I think she handled this poorly, but that's no where near the same thing. I criticize the president all the time. But she looked timid and disingenuous in dealing with distancing herself from the President. Voters forgive a lot- weakness and perceived pandering they will not. The worst thing a politician can do is "appear" inauthentic. They all probably are to some extent, but when it comes across that way, when the label sticks, it's hard to undo.
GeorgeGist
(25,294 posts)eShirl
(18,466 posts)Iggo
(47,489 posts)WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)BKH70041
(961 posts)"I'll vote the lesser of two evils." "I'll vote my conscience in the primary and for the nominee in the general."
These, and others, are all various forms of loyalty oaths. So when someone says "we don't do loyalty oaths," I can't help but laugh.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)I don't do loyalty oaths
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)How can someone run against Obama? As farcas I know, he is not running for anything.
After VP HHH left the White House, he ran and won a seat in the U.S. Senate representing Minnesota. I could look it up, but I wonder if this happened before HHH. ?
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)It is just compensation for outstanding accomplishment.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)some friends had a house party for him. At the party, before he spoke, his staffers asked attendees to sign loyalty oaths. To this day, I feel creeped out by that.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They do like to infiltrate Democratic events to "get stuff" on the candidates or his/her supporters.
You can see examples of this in this report:
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)We didn't sign it, nor did I see anyone else signing.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I probably would have, if not for the creepy loyalty oath.
MADem
(135,425 posts)there.
These OPPO cretins are paid in the dark. They don't have the scratch to be writing out a check (with their name on it). That's what it has to do with it.
siligut
(12,272 posts)The group aims to fill a huge gap in GOP efforts by gathering opposition research on candidates before elections and sending trackers armed with cameras onto the campaign trail to record gaffes. "We plan to start this enterprise because so many Republicans seem to agree that there is a need on our side of the aisle for an entity that is focused on solely holding Democrats accountable for their actions and records using research, candidate tracking, rapid response and digital tools," Rhoades told CNN.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/21/america-rising-super-pac_n_2926645.html
MADem
(135,425 posts)NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)unless someone is promising something in return.
Anyone else is just a fool.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)No oaths to people, parties, governments, or ideals. Times and values change. Would you want to be held to a loyalty oath, for example, to George Bush? This country has committed acts that would qualify as war crimes or at the least, breaking international laws. Want to be held to a loyalty oath to a government that commits these acts? The original Constitution called for voting rights for white, male, property owners. Want to be held to a loyalty oath to that out-dated concept?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Response to kentuck (Original post)
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badtoworse
(5,957 posts)ProdigalJunkMail
(12,017 posts)sP
Wounded Bear
(58,440 posts)I have seen no reason to take loyalty oaths since, and especially to any singular person, and I don't respect those that do.
That's feudalism, not democracy.
Iamthetruth
(487 posts)He is a man, nothing more. I never understood the hero worship people give politicians or celebrities who are usually clueless.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)No. Yes.
treestar
(82,383 posts)We can still consider Democrats should run in support of the President.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Although it was an oath to a flag and a republic, rather than to a politician.
Corruption Inc
(1,568 posts)I get where you're coming from.
One of the worst kinds of not thinking.
Autumn
(44,763 posts)Why would anyone be loyal to any politician?
alarimer
(16,245 posts)It should always be "What have you done lately that is worthy of my vote?"
They work for US, not the other way around.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Unspoken or spoken for that matter loyalty oaths cause secrecy and corruption. Just look at our police departments. The brother code has caused many problems and I sure as hell don't want to see that at the federal government level.