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Renew Deal

(81,844 posts)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:47 AM Oct 2014

Should all flights in and out of Texas be stopped "to mitigate the threat of a future outbreak?"

And what about roads?

On Tuesday, Rep. Pete Sessions of Dallas, a member of GOP House leadership, asked the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention “to thoughtfully reassess the risk of travel from Liberia … to mitigate the threat of a future outbreak.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20141002-ebola-case-in-dallas-wont-prompt-travel-restrictions--yet.ece
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Should all flights in and out of Texas be stopped "to mitigate the threat of a future outbreak?" (Original Post) Renew Deal Oct 2014 OP
If they quarantined Dallas it wouldn't bother me a bit. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #1
So, you wouldn't be bothered for an entire Democratic city to be quarantined? ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #29
There's a lot people here in Austin that don't particularly care about Dallas. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #30
You Austinites (I am a former Austin resident) don't like that Dallas County is ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2014 #37
It's got nothing to do with blue, it's just that it's Dallas. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #39
I go with Colbert hollysmom Oct 2014 #2
there is a case of ebola in MA. strawberries Oct 2014 #36
and there is a quarentined woman in NJ who does not care what happens as long as she gets her hollysmom Oct 2014 #42
sorry sometimes I can't tell around here nt strawberries Oct 2014 #43
I have friends in Texas, they think they can turn the state around, they wanted me to move there hollysmom Oct 2014 #44
We aren't going to shut down Texas. In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #3
Certainly Mexico, which has zero Ebola cases, should seal its border with Texas. Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #4
From what I've been hearing this morning, maybe the idea isn't so far fetched. Vinca Oct 2014 #5
what scares me is I'm sure this is common across the country librechik Oct 2014 #14
I think there is a difference of degrees here justiceischeap Oct 2014 #6
Yours would be the only intelligent response Drayden Oct 2014 #12
Satire, irony and sarcasm are common on DU Fumesucker Oct 2014 #24
You would have to ban ALL overseas flights HockeyMom Oct 2014 #15
And if your passport says you've been to Africa justiceischeap Oct 2014 #18
All of Africa or just the countries with infections? Renew Deal Oct 2014 #20
Hope they stamp the Passport? HockeyMom Oct 2014 #23
Yes. Wall off Texas for 20 years. No contact, we can have a grand social experiment then. Katashi_itto Oct 2014 #7
Planes are the only way to get in and out of Texas? HockeyMom Oct 2014 #8
That is the point edhopper Oct 2014 #10
You seem to miss the purpose of visas TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #16
You're agreeing edhopper Oct 2014 #17
I'm agreeing with medical experts TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #19
Wow edhopper Oct 2014 #46
Do foreigners need a visa to go to Liberia, etc? HockeyMom Oct 2014 #25
Yes. From the U.S. TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #27
I am somewhat naive to this but... Agschmid Oct 2014 #40
Depends on which country, and agreements between countries TexasMommaWithAHat Oct 2014 #41
Well we could build a fence and get the Minutemen to guard it. yellowcanine Oct 2014 #11
That's Jon Stewart's answer last night to the "Sanity-Resistant Strain Of Ebola Fear" taking Hortensis Oct 2014 #21
If we did that in 2000 edhopper Oct 2014 #9
PANIC!! nt Logical Oct 2014 #13
Wait 20 minutes. I'm sitting at my gate at Love Field Ron Green Oct 2014 #22
What about mass transit... FloriTexan Oct 2014 #26
Impeaching the governor of Texas would do more! B Calm Oct 2014 #28
And deal a devastating blow to border security? pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #33
LOL B Calm Oct 2014 #38
Yes. And seal the borders. Crunchy Frog Oct 2014 #31
Not such an off the wall question - now that we know that the second infected patient Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #32
I say we take Ichingcarpenter Oct 2014 #34
my concern is the planes strawberries Oct 2014 #35
Since an infected woman visited OH before flying back, add OH to that list. LisaL Oct 2014 #45
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
29. So, you wouldn't be bothered for an entire Democratic city to be quarantined?
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:26 AM
Oct 2014

For what purpose would this be necessary and why wouldn't it bother you?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
30. There's a lot people here in Austin that don't particularly care about Dallas.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:41 AM
Oct 2014

But then as a long-time South Austinite I consider anything north of Town Lake as South Dallas.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
37. You Austinites (I am a former Austin resident) don't like that Dallas County is
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:59 AM
Oct 2014

blue? WTF is up with that?

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
42. and there is a quarentined woman in NJ who does not care what happens as long as she gets her
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 01:27 PM
Oct 2014

take out. It can cost us a bundle as police have to babysit her, but special snowflake lives on.
Look, it was a joke. moving on.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
44. I have friends in Texas, they think they can turn the state around, they wanted me to move there
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 01:56 PM
Oct 2014

to help swing the vote (much like my sister wanted me to move to North Carolina because she said the voters are crazy religious people. Why would I want to move to a state the did not have the same beliefs as me - oh wait, that would be every where, Nope, going to die in my house and make my family get rid of everything in it, too much work for me to move now.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. Certainly Mexico, which has zero Ebola cases, should seal its border with Texas.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 08:02 AM
Oct 2014

It is the only effective response to this epidemic, or so I've been told here on DU.


Meanwhile a friend of mine's daughter is volunteering to go to Liberia as part of our military response team. She's an RN and is getting trained by the CDC and will be there in a few weeks working on an actual effective response.

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
5. From what I've been hearing this morning, maybe the idea isn't so far fetched.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 08:03 AM
Oct 2014

Apparently the hospital had no protocols and the original patient was left lying round the ER for hours with no special treatment. Employees were taking no special precautions. They were exposed. Other patients were exposed. This could really snowball.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
6. I think there is a difference of degrees here
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 08:05 AM
Oct 2014

I think there's a difference between two isolated cases and then countries that are at epidemic levels of outbreak.

As far as we know, everyone in Texas is being monitored. I think placing a temporary ban on incoming and outgoing flights, sans relief workers and scientists, is not a bad thing if we're talking about areas that are at epidemic level. Texas isn't quite there yet.

 

Drayden

(146 posts)
12. Yours would be the only intelligent response
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:04 AM
Oct 2014

In a thread filled with idiotic statements. West Africa has has over 10,000 cases of Ebola, TX has had 3, caused by 1 immigrant from Liberia. Yes, travel should be shut down from West Africa, just like other countries have done. Had we done that in the first place, Duncan wouldn't have brought ebola to TX. It's all fun and games until it shows up in your state.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
24. Satire, irony and sarcasm are common on DU
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:04 AM
Oct 2014

And not everyone labels those things when they post.

Welcome to DU!

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
15. You would have to ban ALL overseas flights
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:22 AM
Oct 2014

Connecting flights within Europe would be a big problem. It could not be just direct flight from Africa. What if somebody from Europe went to Africa. Went back home to say London. Stay there for a few days and then flew to the US from London. That would not even be a connecting flight. Stop flights to and from London? You would have to depend on the British, French,Belgians, etc., to stop all their flights to and from Africa.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
18. And if your passport says you've been to Africa
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:28 AM
Oct 2014

you don't get to fly to the U.S. You don't have to stop all International travel you just stop those that have been to Africa in the last two months.

Renew Deal

(81,844 posts)
20. All of Africa or just the countries with infections?
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:43 AM
Oct 2014

South Africa, Egypt, etc. have not had this problem.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
23. Hope they stamp the Passport?
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:01 AM
Oct 2014

They didn't stamp my Passport in the Bahamas on a cruise. Nobody would ever know that I have ever visisted the place. Coming back? US Customs were waving anyone with a US Passport right through.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
8. Planes are the only way to get in and out of Texas?
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:50 AM
Oct 2014

or any other state for that matter. How would you stop people from driving, or just walking, in and out? Impossible. lol

edhopper

(33,467 posts)
10. That is the point
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:53 AM
Oct 2014

Sessions is an idiot if he thinks cancelling flights from W Africa to here will stop the threat.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
16. You seem to miss the purpose of visas
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:25 AM
Oct 2014

Doesn't matter where the person flies in from, that person from Liberia, Sierra Leone, etc., needs a visa to get here. You can easily determine where the visa was issued and when.

It's not rocket science.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
19. I'm agreeing with medical experts
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:41 AM
Oct 2014

that quarantine is the best way to decrease infection, whether it's one patient, one household, one village, or an entire country if need be.

But then they get on tv and say stupid shit like "that would only make things worse because we couldn't get doctors and supplies in and out of western Africa." Who wrote that stupid script?

It's just idiotic. As if we have never thought of phrases like "exceptions for medical personnel and military" who would also have to use precautions and might also have to be quarantined before departure to go back to their home countries.

MORE needs to be done in western Africa! The UN and WHO needs to step up and get the world involved in helping these people before hundreds of thousands die.

Meanwhile, we fling shit at the nurses in Dallas. Sad.



edhopper

(33,467 posts)
46. Wow
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 03:28 PM
Oct 2014

have a nice day.
I would just be juried out if I told you what I thought of that post.

Quarantine the country?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
25. Do foreigners need a visa to go to Liberia, etc?
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:07 AM
Oct 2014

The problem is only their citizens? As far as passports, read my post about my passport.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
27. Yes. From the U.S.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:19 AM
Oct 2014

As for other countries, I don't know, but that is not a difficult requirement to implement.

Containment is the key...along with better care for the people in those western African countries! It's like they have fallen off the map, now that we have a few ebola cases here!

There's hysteria, and then there are proper precautions. Right now, we have lots of hysteria (ok, some hysteria over improper precautions on my part...haha). I worked (past tense) in a hospital lab assisting and doing phlebotomy going room to room, so I know what it's like to see your first highly contagious patient in four months and the mental preparation "Now, how do I do that again?"

Seriously.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
40. I am somewhat naive to this but...
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 12:04 PM
Oct 2014

I just got back from Europe, I went on vacation. I had no visa for my travel there and I was allowed to roam free for over a week.

Again I am naive to this but doesn't the U.S. allow similar behavior for tourists, or folks on business trips?

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
41. Depends on which country, and agreements between countries
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 12:19 PM
Oct 2014

I've only need visas to enter two countries and that was years ago.

And, I did need a visa for an extended stay in one country that doesn't otherwise require a visa.

However, that was long ago.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. That's Jon Stewart's answer last night to the "Sanity-Resistant Strain Of Ebola Fear" taking
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:54 AM
Oct 2014

over Texas, a state unwilling to "waste" taxpayer money on public health and controlling its epidemic health problems. Build their border wall, just re-routed a bit...

(Rational, responsible Texans, I haven't really forgotten you're there.)

FloriTexan

(838 posts)
26. What about mass transit...
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:14 AM
Oct 2014

If they are going to lock it down, then lock everything down for a month. I live in the Dallas area and ride the train that serves the area around Presbyterian Hospital. We've had some serious transit issues the last month because of high winds and power outages. We had a four-hour commute home one evening when all rail service shut down. Hundreds of us were dumped off at the Mockingbird Station which is right across the street from Presby to wait for shuttle buses. It was total chaos and people who thought they were being funny joking about ebola when we're literally packed in a train or bus, shoulder to shoulder were not appreciated.

I am starting to get a little concerned and wonder how many of the health care workers rode the train or bus to the hospital.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
33. And deal a devastating blow to border security?
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:50 AM
Oct 2014

That would cut security by 50%, leaving only Hannity to protect us from immigrant children!

Ms. Toad

(33,992 posts)
32. Not such an off the wall question - now that we know that the second infected patient
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:47 AM
Oct 2014

flew within 24 hours of displaying symptoms - with 132 new contacts now being sought for monitoring.

http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2014/10/dallas_ebola_patient_traveled.html

LisaL

(44,972 posts)
45. Since an infected woman visited OH before flying back, add OH to that list.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 01:58 PM
Oct 2014

And whatever other states Mr. Duncan's contacts have been visiting recently.

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