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CLEVELAND, Ohio The second Dallas health care worker with Ebola was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas on Monday the day before she reported symptoms, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday.
Because of the proximity in time between the Monday evening flight and the first report of her illness, the CDC wants to interview all 132 passengers on her flight Frontier Airlines Flight 1143 from Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth, which landed at 8:16 p.m. CT Monday, the CDC said.
The hospital worker was involved in the care of a Liberian man who died of Ebola last week at a Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.
A release from Frontier states:
On the morning of Oct. 14, the second healthcare worker reported to the hospital with a low-grade fever and was isolated. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms that the second healthcare worker who tested positive last night for Ebola traveled by air Oct. 13, the day before she reported symptoms.
http://fox8.com/2014/10/15/cdc-notifies-frontier-passengers-says-ebola-patient-traveled-on-flight-from-cle-monday/
woodsprite
(11,909 posts)You know that it's not past the incubation period. You know that our govt etc. is not going to quarantine you or limit your actions, but you're in the healthcare field and should know to
SELF QUARANTINE YOUR OWN ASS!
Not get on a freakin' plane and potentially spread it to someone, or a bunch of someones.
And what about the people in Cleveland she was with up until she got on that plane.
liberalhistorian
(20,815 posts)Selfish, self-absorbed, thoughtless, considering only themselves and not how their actions affect others. Kinda reminds me of the anti-vaxxers, frankly.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)What I do not understand about all of this ebola issue is why ANYONE involved at all would not voluntarily promote complete and utter overkill in making sure that no one else becomes infected. Stay home, self-monitor, be monitored by officials - ALL of the above and more.
I mean, if ever there was a situation where we need overkill...THIS is it!
arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)She wouldn't even allow her priest, family or friends to visit her flat.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)THAT's being a true hero. Making sure. Being certain. Going the extra mile. Going above and beyond what is suggested. Being selfless. Purposely taking precautions to minimize any risk whatsoever. Twenty-one days is not that long!
Kudos to Nina Pham for caring about others!
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)I sincerely hope that she recovers. If this outbreak continues, she would be marvelous for speaking out about what to do if you think that you may have the disease. She could save lives.
arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)concerned people (loved ones?) went to her flat to take her dog out and she wouldn't open the door. She was taking the dog out between 1 AM and 6 AM.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)rooms very well.
Ms. Toad
(34,056 posts)Extremely unlikely she stayed in a hotel.
bklyncowgirl
(7,960 posts)Once again someone who knew better but didn't do what she should have done.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Unlike the person that flew from Cleveland to Dallas despite being at risk for Ebola, who was supposed to have been monitored.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)going out especially after announcing a self quarantine. Dumb, arrogant hypocrite!
Everyone else needs to follow quarantine rules except for important people like me. Besides I was bored. Love, Nancy
arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)first I'm hearing of this
Little Star
(17,055 posts)food from her favorite restaurant.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/13/dr-nancy-snyderman-ebola-quarantine-statement-symptoms-nbc-news/
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)She didn't get out of the car, which is something, but she really set a bad example.
Why she couldn't have just had the friend pick up the soup for her and set it on her porch, I don't know.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)quarantine.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)CTyankee
(63,900 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)anyone to even come to my home. What a fecking idiot she is
Little Star
(17,055 posts)that stupid stunt. How can anyone be expected to give her any credibility now? I know I certainly don't.
arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)CTyankee
(63,900 posts)if she can't set a decent example to the rest of the country she shouldn't be in a position to be an authority on public health issues. She might get a stern reprimand from her medical overseers. This could damage her career...
Little Star
(17,055 posts)CTyankee
(63,900 posts)At first I thought she wouldn't get any guff for it, bad as it was. But now I am seeing some wiser heads and hearing wiser voices.
I think you are right. She feels entitled. She's really out of touch...
Little Star
(17,055 posts)meaning that only I could say it. I'm the one who's sorry if I made you feel that way.
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)It's all good, I pinky swear!
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Plus you hail from the city I was born in .
CTyankee
(63,900 posts)I 'preciate that!
LisaL
(44,973 posts)But Nancy wasn't actually infectious.
Unlike this Ebola patient. Who was supposed to have been monitored. Instead she is flying all over the freaking country.
CDC knew people who took care of Mr. Duncan were at high risk of getting Ebola after first nurse tested positive.
arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)till the next day or so. However, she should have known better!
LisaL
(44,973 posts)I am very suspicious about the timing here.
She flew back to Dallas and the next day she went to the hospital.
arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)disease, like the flu, is such that one day you're fine and the next the aches and pains of fever present.
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hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Thanks for stating the obvious, even though some will probably disagree.
It would seem to me that a health care worker should probably be expected to THINK about this even if she were not quarantined by order, particularly if she were a party to discussions about conditions within the hospital and the approach to Mr. Duncan's care (i.e., NOT having the proper equipment, nurse's necks being left uncovered, etc.) that the nurse's union made the statement about today.
All that can be gained from this at this point in time is the hope that with each bumbled step, someone else will learn.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)I don't understand the monitoring where it's o'key for them to fly all over the freaking country.
Especially since CDC said more could have been infected by Mr. Duncan.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)I am just baffled by this.
uponit7771
(90,329 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)One article stated that "monitoring" meant being visited by a public health worker twice a day to take the contacts temperature and ask them if they are experiencing any symptoms. Another article said it meant that if you start experiencing symptoms you should contact the CDC.
arthritisR_US
(7,286 posts)so unlike others who have crucified him I don't think he understood his risk. This latest nurse was handling him when his viral load was sky high and exponentially growing. Although authorities labeled the first group at higher risk (when he first presented to the hospital with a 103 degree fever) his viral load was much lower and I think it's the second group that is at greater risk. I think the second group should have been put are far more restrictive quarantine
Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)If I was assigned taking care of an ebola patient, I would have stayed away from family members and others for 3 weeks just to be sure.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)need to start using our brains when it comes to travel right now and that is especially true for those who have come in contact with an Ebola patient in any way. It begins to look like the people at the Texas hospital truly did not understand the danger of ebola. CDC or the corporate hospital?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)did. NBC should have fired her for that. This nurse showed some of the worst judgement I can imagine and frankly, I wouldn't trust her to feed my cat. I guess she's paying for that now.
liberalhistorian
(20,815 posts)not quarantined but permitted to fly because?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
woodsprite
(11,909 posts)How easy would it be to put all those contacts, caregivers, etc. on a 60-day "no fly" list.
You come in contact with Ebola, you're added to the list -- no exceptions!
I said 60 days because now they're saying that the incubation period can be up to 40+ days.
liberalhistorian
(20,815 posts)and I completely agree.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)So WTF was she?
"Because she had helped care for Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, this health care worker should not have traveled on a commercial airplane, CDC Director Tom Frieden said."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html
liberalhistorian
(20,815 posts)for allowing her to fly, let alone not quarantining those who'd cared for Duncan. Especially since the hospital does not have the high level biocontainment facilities that Nebraska and Atlanta do.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)people, regardless of education, employment, religion, race...whattheeffever, will behave stupidly human.
Now what?
LisaL
(44,973 posts)This is ridiculous.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)Oy, what a charlie foxtrot.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Why is this employee flying all over the freaking country?
My point exactly...
maxrandb
(15,315 posts)for the Browns-Steelers game.
Want to track down 75K+ people?
What concerns me is that this could get out of hand. Fear and panic are never a good thing, but there are some major concerns with this.
Don't some places convert sewage into fertilizer to use for farming? What happens when a sick person flushes ebola infected waste down the toilet and it ends up in some farmer's corn field?
With a large population of rats who live in sewage, could they transmit it?
What about misquitoes and flees? Weren't flees a major carrier of the Plague?
I'm not a scientist, and I know absolutely nothing about ingectious disease, other than you can catch them, and I think that is the major problem. People just don't know.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)do need special treatment if present. Ebola can survive for over a week in wet bodily fluids, but if you add in all the other chemicals and stuff in the sewers, it has to die off pretty fast. It is NOT what's known as a "hardy" virus. THANK GOD.
I wouldn't want to be a sewer maintenance worker downstream of any hospital with Ebola patients, though. Or any home with a patient shedding the virus.
Once the treated effluent comes out the other end, there are no live viruses in it.
And yes, I know a thing or two about the microbiology of water and sewage from my undergraduate days. The professor who taught that class was also my employer and adviser.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)There are many times when they close the beaches here for bacteria from sewage runoff.
You couldn't get me in Lake Erie.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)The article mentions the 132 passengers on the flight, however how many airline crew members had contact on the flight as well?
This number could easily approach 150 individuals...
Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)I'm waiting on one of the medical staff to test positive and reveal later that they went to the Cowboys-Texans game the other day.
B2G
(9,766 posts)to be with her.
She was visiting her family in Ohio. So she was potentially exposed. So hey, let's put her on a plane.
My god. Is anyone in charge here?
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Here name is:
Amber Joy Vinson
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2014/10/dallas_ebola_patient_visited_k.html#incart_related_stories
LisaL
(44,973 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Ebola.
The gift that keeps on giving.
I can't believe how horribly this was handled, after assurances that there is nothing at all to worry about.
A patient infected with Ebola flying commercial airline, and attending University campus.
When she was supposed to have been monitoring her fever and not flying commercial airline.
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GreatCaesarsGhost
(8,584 posts)All have interrupted their programming (ironically, not Fox).
They have reporters live from the airport. Not sure why, except asking travelers if they are afraid.
Frontier has moved its plane to a remote runway.
MineralMan
(146,282 posts)What was she thinking?