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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs anyone here petrified of Ebola?
I'm not. Should I be?
I just heard E. J. Dionne on Matthews' program say folks were/are petrified.
Perhaps if the media stopped scaremongering and got more facts, it would benefit us all.
Edit to add: maybe we need a Surgeon General???
Dwayne Hicks
(637 posts)Ebola does not ever cross my mind, except when reading the fear mongering by the media. Its not going to be wide spread, and if you are seriously petrified about Ebola that is your problem.
my 2 cents.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Your comment comes across as a little heartless and insular.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)MFM008
(19,806 posts)and here it is and it seems to be spreading which will make it everybody's business. It was fine when it was found thousands of miles away in the little little African villages.
Now here it is in the USA, not Russia or Europe...yet
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,407 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I don't remember any administration official, any congressional person, any medical person making such a claim? Do you have a link?
Tweedy
(628 posts)I keep reading that same statement. I never heard it either. I was hoping maybe we would pay more attention to MRSA because of this. It does not look likely.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)scarystuffyo
(733 posts)You might get a different answer .
It's either going to stop with this 2nd nurse or the numbers will keep on growing
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)You're really going out on a limb there.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)But, no one in Duncan's family or the other 48 with contact with him prior to isolation have shown symptoms yet, and likely won't.
That is good.
I seriously doubt any will be infected by the two nurses.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I don' expect to be personally at risk, but the epidemic in West Africa, and the clusterfuck in Dallas has me concerned.
Does this make me a bad person?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Those who are scolding the people who are worried, even in the slightest, should really quit doing that. I'm slightly concerned, but not panicking, at least not about Ebola, as of right now.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Asking questions isn't panicking, it's looking for information that protects you and your family.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)The more questions people ask and have answered by knowledgeable people, the better. It is better to learn and double check the information than to not learn at all.
MFM008
(19,806 posts)I am however concerned about crunchy frogs....ewwww.....
treestar
(82,383 posts)I don't feel fear personally but do for the people in West Africa.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)My heart breaks for the people in West Africa who are dealing with it. Citizens, doctors, healthcare workers.. I hope it gets contained soon for their sake.
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)a Surgeon Sergeant.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)guns have killed more people than ebola, oops im sorry I mean people have killed more people than ebola.
Perhaps if the media stopped scaremongering and got more facts, it would benefit us all. but then where would the ratings come from, the facts?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)number every 20 days.
Really inept analogy on your part. I rate it D - .
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)Chemisse
(30,809 posts)But not petrified, and not even scared.
I wasn't even concerned a month ago, when I had a lot of confidence in the CDC. But I am uneasy with how this was handled. You'd think they'd put out their best effort when Ebola comes to town.
2banon
(7,321 posts)somehow infected chickens or birds and then transferred to people, originating in China and "spreading as far as MICHIGAN !!!! (I think it was) and they didn't have enough inoculations, couldn't manufacture it fast enough, and it turned out that Donald Rumsfeld was part owner of the pharmaceutical company that manufactured the vaccine (while he was SoD)
And it seems like it always happens during a ramp up of war making. scratching head why.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)to stop catching, selling, and eating civets, and it came to a screeching halt.
2banon
(7,321 posts)The story ran 24/7 (like Ebola) showing video of Chickens being exterminated in deeply dug pits etc etc and then one day we never heard anything more about it.
Your mention of Civets is the first I've heard any reference to the feline species.
Typical of the media to grossly miss-report the facts and/or to even follow up on the story as more and better information is learned.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Civet "cat" is an unfortunate misnomer. They are Viveridae, which IIRC is closely related to raccoons?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Open air markets where wild and domestic fowl and bush meat are being slaughtered or sold live is where most of these originate. Influenza comes from fowl and SARS from Civets (which sort of resemble raccoons).
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)bermudat
(1,329 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)The MSM is forever fear mongering. If it is not ebola it is Isis/Isil, or it will be something else. It so reminds me of the Chicken Little story where he constantly ran around crying the sky is falling the sky is falling.
People need to get a grip. I refuse to live in a constant state of fear.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)But I do think it's a serious issue for those treating the patients, and it has potential to be dangerous if not contained properly.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)but concerned about the handling. We are learning on the fly, there are bound to be problems.
babylonsister
(171,057 posts)Very well worth the watch. As usual.
Hekate
(90,648 posts)Ebola's a scary disease, that is for sure.
But in this country 40,000 people per year die of drug-resistant bacterial infections, and most of those strains come from animal feedlots and slaughterhouses. (Frontline) Where's the panic over that?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I watched that too.
She said a lot without putting it into words also. In regard to why the first nurse is not being transported to Atlanta.
Scary stuff.
malaise
(268,949 posts)Angry at the hysteria
elias49
(4,259 posts)pretty decent odds of survival.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)to the early reports of AIDs.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)as being indifferent or not caring about the people who do have it.
Nice try though.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)is reminiscent of those who didn't care about AIDs because of who it struck.
treestar
(82,383 posts)and unknown at the time and 100% fatal at the time. It could be spread in a few distinct ways. It was and still is hard to get though.
In fact it is more dangerous in that people suffering from Ebola and showing symptoms aren't going to feel like having sex, whereas you could be feeling fine with AIDS and be able to spread it for a long time. In fact, they were thinking up to 20 years. In that sense, it was and is far more dangerous.
It's bad in Africa still, and will still be around when Ebola runs its course.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)My point is that new diseases should be taken seriously, contrary to the dismissive (and in some cases flippant) attitude of many DUers.
treestar
(82,383 posts)But the average person might be a bit more likely to be affected by AIDS. At least with ebola, you know the person has it and have some control.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Most over hyped media ratings induced scare I've seen.
Eventually the public will tire of the story, ratings will drop and the media will move on to scare the public on a new topic.
struggle4progress
(118,280 posts)Meh! Just give the dude some antibiotics and send him on his way!
Hey, Doc! He's back and it looks like he's got Ebola!
Hmmm ... Instruct the family to stay at home!
Hey, Doc! He's really sick! What should we tell the nurses?
Suggest everybody to take a calm relaxed attitude. Oh, and send out a memo asking the staff not to catch Ebola
Hey, Doc! He's dead! What now?
Everything's under control. The folk who were treating him should all grab a flight and take some downtime
Hey, Doc! Two of our nurses have Ebola
WTF!!! Didn't they get the memo?
babylonsister
(171,057 posts)to learn. This is a new phenomena here; this too shall pass.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Texas Presbytarian. This could have happened anywhere, and the results could be the same. Every hospital needs to take lessons and learn from this.
struggle4progress
(118,280 posts)over four hundred people are dying every day from this virus. There was no excuse whatsoever for the inadequate precautions that allowed two of Duncan's care-givers to contract the virus. And the inadequacy of the training provided to the nursing staff is unfortunately clear from the fact that one of those nurses didn't understand the possible public health consequences of travel and contact with a large number of people in the immediate aftermath of the death of one of her patients from a deadly epidemic disease, which has mortality rates ranging from 25-90%.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Our hospitals are not perfect and our doctors are not Gods. We are learning on the fly here.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)H2O Man
(73,536 posts)I'm not concerned about it, in the context of myself, family, and friends.
I am concerned for others, particularly in Africa.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,833 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)I can't think of a single pronouncement made by the government concerning Ebola that hasn't been backtracked, amended, contradicted, or flat wrong from the get-go.
Not very confidence inspiring to say the least.
Hekate
(90,648 posts)Yes, a Surgeon General would be a good idea. Any GOP listening?
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts). . . and so far, at least, no part of me has yet turned to stone. (But hey, you never know -- I hear that petrification can really sneak up on a person!)
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But yes. I am horrified for the pandemic sweeping West Africa.
Apparently, many on DU do not care about this. But this is real. And in our mobile world, we are all at risk.
I don't consider myself likely to get this disease. But someone's mother, sister, brother, husband, son, daughter, or friend is either infected right now, or dying right now. Not in our country so much.
But in our world,
we're all neighbors.
That's how I see it.
babylonsister
(171,057 posts)sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Trust me. I have far more pressing problems to worry about than Ebola.
And yes we need a Surgeon General!!!!!!!
bsis
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That and dengue. I'm pretty worried about dengue.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)and the fer de lance, and jaguars, leopards & boa contrictors and 8 ft tall "torture plants", and sharks and yellow fever, and any number of the thousands of things there that could kill me.. and yet I lived..
I do not "fear" ebola or ISIS, because I doubt either of them will actually kill me, but I do fear FOR the people elsewhere who do end up in their clutches
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)The final study - conducted on 20,875 children aged 9-16 across five countries in Latin America - confirmed that the vaccine was safe, provided high protection against dengue haemorrhagic fever and cut by 80 percent the risk of hospitalization, the Paris-based company said on Wednesday.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)currently expanding exponentially?
Uh, you bet your ass I am.
distantearlywarning
(4,475 posts)However, I am VERY concerned about the lives of my fellow human beings in West Africa, and about the secondary human and economic consequences of letting the African epidemic go unchecked. I do not feel that the first world is taking the African Ebola epidemic nearly seriously enough, and that our lack of care will eventually come back to haunt us all (and I don't necessarily mean that Ebola will spread directly to the 1st world, although that is a future possibility, but that West African political and economic instability as a result of Ebola will eventually negatively affect 1st world interests in a substantial way). I actually feel that the West African Ebola epidemic is potentially a much more serious problem than is ISIS, or even Ukraine, in the short term, and I wish we were diverting more resources and money there right now.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)lived through during the last 6 decades. The Texas Presbyterian Hospital has care and training issues and the corporate media is making a lot of advertising money by incessantly pushing one fear button after the other. Rachel Maddow is doing a wonderful job of covering the truth regarding Ebola.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)not in the least bit petrified of ebola.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)but I refuse to be panicked.
It is very disturbing that someone so close to the first patient was able to get on a plane and fly across the country. Just as it was disturbing that the Doctor on MSNBC went to a restaurant when she should have been in isolation. This is very serious and there has to be stringent rules for anyone that comes into contact with the virus. They must stay isolated and not be permitted to mix with other folks. This especially applies to the health workers.
apples and oranges
(1,451 posts)my actions scrutinized, and my house and car torn apart by the CDC while another guy warns my neighbors that I have ebola... all after 3 to 21 days of isolation... all because I flew on the same plane as an infected person.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)Hopefully they will not have changed?
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)For all our sakes. But I've noticed a very peculiar aloofness rising on DU regarding this issue. Posters are practically falling over each other to loudly declare how not concerned they are and mock anyone who is; even mocking people who didn't think it was a great idea for the CDC to tell an Ebola-exposed nurse with an emerging fever it was fine to get on a plane. I don't know if it's a self-soothing denial or attempt to seem above it all, but it's very strange to me.
kentuck
(111,079 posts)I would agree.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I think the nurse should not have flown, should have been told not to fly until she was in the clear. Not because I fear her transmitting it on the plane, but because she could have ended up at a new hospital in a new state and we could have a repeat of Dallas.
I think that anyone who tests positive should be sent to one of the 4 hospitals most prepared to handle it. That would shut down future infections here pretty quickly. The people treated in Nebraska and Atlanta did not infect others. Only the ill-prepared (for this disease) hospital ended up spreading it to two healthcare workers.
Ebola doesn't scare me. It's not going to be the next pandemic. It is a very lethal, but easy to contain (with proper medical procedures) virus.
Lyric
(12,675 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)so you even if you did get a "yes" reply, it would be false.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There seems to have been a lot of chance for exposure, and little capability for handling it.
It worries me like the occasional measles case worries me, basically.
Wake me when Polio overcomes the salk vaccine, or smallpox rebounds. That will scare the shit out of me.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)and folks who are easily alarmed can't turn away. Sadly, the folks paying the most attention to this fear-mongering are the least informed. Quelle Surprise.
The poll turned up one oddity: Those who claim to be following the outbreak the most closely also have the most inaccurate information about it.
For example, people who are paying a lot of attention to Ebola are twice as likely to hold the erroneous belief there is effective medicine to treat it. They are also more likely to believe it is spread easily, even though the deadly fever is less contagious than the flu, said Redlawsk.
"Ebola is particularly scary, with no cure and a high death rate," said Redlawsk. "Believing it is easily spread feeds this fear," he said.
"The tone of the coverage seems to be increasing fear while not improving understanding," he said.
In general, women respondents were more likely to hold misconceptions about Ebola, with 73 percent believing it is easily spread, compared to 60 percent of men. Respondents under the age of 30 are also more likely to see the fever as highly contagious.
http://www.nj.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2014/10/ebola_poll_nj_fears_an_outbreak_here.html
I find it particularly interesting that the folks who are screaming the loudest about the CDC, have skipped right over all the layers of incompetence below them. I mean, we are talking about a state that openly ruminated about secession, and now they're whining for the big ol' bad US government to fix this shit.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)the hyper focus on a disease where the odds of catching it were less than the odds of winning the PowerBall bothers me. But, that's small stuff. What really bothers me is that Duncan's family was quarantined in a potentially very infectious environment, it took several days to get a cleaning crew in. The person power washing appeared to have no protective gear on at all (probably safe if the sun killed the virus but still, I would want something just cuz vomit). Then there is the blame game, the CDC didn't do this or that, the hospital didn't do this or that (well not providing Hazmat suits really totally and completely bad), the nurse flying when she had a fever.
But, what really gets me are two things we have soldiers helping in Liberia and I think this is great. The people of Liberia love our people in uniform and I think that is great. The problem is I think that this is what we should be doing everywhere our military is, good will gestures and really helping people I think would do a lot more to ensure our peace and prosperity than guarding oil wells ever will.
ffr
(22,669 posts)I don't have control over anything else. 2.5 weeks to that goal.
GOTV 2014.
Warpy
(111,250 posts)and a case of suspected ebola rolled in.
As a civilian? No. It's just too hard to catch. Even Mr. Duncan's family seems to have escaped.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)They were living in the same household. How did they escape infection while the two nurses got it. What happened there. You'd think that his sweat/vomit/bodily fluids would touch them more easily than a nurse who was taking precautions. Even if they weren't the full precautions that others take in better hospitals.
Warpy
(111,250 posts)and trying to keep the patient clean and comfortable. He was in decent enough shape at the apartment that he was using the bathroom. He was too ill for that in the hospital.
Those paper gowns were just not enough.
That's the reality of nursing.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)I would think if the vomit was as you say, then they should have been quarantined (officially). That they weren't is a travesty and shows that we are not ready (nor our hospitals).
I don't blame the nurses for any of this.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)In Africa, they have found that often many of the patients family who lived in the home, even while the patient was very ill, did not contract the disease. In every case it had been the people caring directly for the patient, especially during the end stages who ended up becoming infected themselves or prepared/touched the body for burial.
The family in Dallas were not caring for him when his symptoms became acute, the nurses were. The nurses were the ones at most risk of coming into contact with bodily fluids. Ebola also does not live outside the host for very long and is not transmitted through the air.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)Marrah.... That makes sense, I suppose. I guess I thought with some sort of protection, healthcare workers would be safer than those at home with the patients. But it makes sense that they go to the hospital when they are very ill and that's when they are most contagious.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)If I could go back in time I would have become an epidemiologist. I have a strange hobby of reading every book I can get my hands on about the topic.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Those individuals who went to W. Africa to help are brave people.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)eShirl
(18,490 posts)And some of those mistakes are by the CDC.
In the suspected case in Maine (which has since tested negative for ebola), the hospital told the press they were following the WHO guidelines instead of CDC guidelines, and that WHO's guidelines were stricter.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/14/us-health-ebola-usa-maine-idUSKCN0I31MS20141014
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,407 posts)Concerned? Yes. Fortunately, so far, nobody other than healthcare workers have been diagnosed with it, however it is clear that hospitals need to bring themselves up to snuff in terms of safely dealing with Ebola and quickly. I will rest easier once they start rolling out some effective treatments and/or a vaccine for the illness and get things contained over in West Africa.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Not so much for myself. Physical things have been trying to kill me since I was about 5 years old. I've been on borrowed time almost all my life. So far, so good. If I worried about any of it more, the stress probably would have killed me years ago. So, I am used to not worrying and grateful that I don't worry.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Stupid decisions have been made all over the place and that is more troubling than anything.
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Sending up smoke for the front line nurses and doctors.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)seaglass
(8,171 posts)CrispyQ
(36,460 posts)but I think it is already showing how woefully unprepared our medical system is to handle a serious crisis. I think we are about to discover an unexpected downside to our current 'everything-for-profit" model, from cutbacks in staff and training to people being afraid to question procedures because of fear of getting fired. CNN mentioned this last night - nurses who questioned procedures but wouldn't speak out for fear of their jobs. I won't even go into all the workers who have no sick pay or are afraid to take their sick pay.
There is another thread on DU about how retailers are telling the business community that income inequality is hurting their business and their stock price. I read that September was the warmest on record but we're supposedly in for another polar vortex. Most of the middle class are on the edge, economically & a lot of fear stems from that. Add a fear that makes people afraid of everyone, not just the others that they don't approve of, well, I don't know how much longer things will continue to simmer before erupting into a boil.
on edit: What I really fear is our incompetence. A lot of that, thanks to the corporate bottom line.
LeftInTX
(25,259 posts)controlling greedy warlord Republicans
REP
(21,691 posts)She was odd that way; worried a lot about stuff she didn't have and totally denied having things she did.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)and all posts about it on Facebook.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)I make sure my cat has his shot, and don't let him outside to hunt critters, but I won't approach a stray dog (especially if they're foaming at the mouth) and wouldn't let dogs chase after squirrels or rabbits.
And God forbid a bat ever gets in my house. I'll be outside screaming and calling Animal Control.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)I'm petrified of the mind-boggling hysteria and misinformation the media is spewing. I'm petrified of people running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I'm not a health worker, and I very seldom go to doctors or hospitals. I'm more afraid of a Republican takeover of the Senate.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I live in the Atlanta area where Ebola patients are being sent to Emory.
Raine
(30,540 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)infect anyone I know at this point, or many people.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)If I lived in Liberia I would be nervous.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Those not petrified are moving targets.
valerief
(53,235 posts)they've neglected to do that so far.
Ask me in 3 months.
Right now, I'm more afraid of taking a walking and being mauled by a loose pitbull.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)you bet your sweet ass I would be. I work at the front window at my utility company, and while the vast majority of my customers are 'regulars', anybody can come up to that window. I'd seek to have it shut down, and have people do everything over the phone, like the rest of the call center.
And as for that Surgeon General thing, well that warning fifty years ago sure stopped smoking, didn't it? As far as I'm concerned, that post is mostly ceremonial. I doubt most people in the US could name any Surgeon General since Joycelyn Elders, and if she hadn't talked about masturbation, they wouldn't even be able to name her.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)but it has led to a gradual but significant reduction in the overall smoking rate over the past 50 years:
"Smoking rates in the United States have dropped by half from 1965 to 2006 falling from 42% to 20.8% of adults.[12] As of 2012, the number of American smokers is 18.1% according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.[1"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_tobacco_consumption
Iris
(15,652 posts)The parents who can't touch or hug their dying children, the children who have lost one or both parents...so many sad stories.
moriah
(8,311 posts)The ER I had to take a friend to had a big sign on it saying to report immediately and put on a mask if you've traveled from a certain list of countries in the last 21 days. If you report a suspect travel history, they're supposed to preemptively isolate you from other patients and interview you to see if your symptoms match Ebola, then start working on other possibilities when they don't.
If I was traveling to any of the countries on the list, I'd be scared, too.
Otherwise, I'm not afraid.