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Peacetrain

(22,874 posts)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:12 PM Oct 2014

Ebola becoming a airborne transmisson vs direct contact?

Since ebola is a contact infection.. there seems to be a lot of talk about it mutating to an airborne transmission?

Has this ever happened before?..

A contact infection mutating to an airborne transmission?

What kind of mutation cycle would that be to do that?

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Ebola becoming a airborne transmisson vs direct contact? (Original Post) Peacetrain Oct 2014 OP
I think they're talking about inhaling droplets from a sneeze, for example. arcane1 Oct 2014 #1
It has me throughly confused.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #4
I believe the media, and even some politicians, are exploiting that confusion. arcane1 Oct 2014 #7
Good Point!! Peacetrain Oct 2014 #10
No, viruses never mutate their mode of transmission. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #11
That is what I thought.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #14
We will all be dead before they finish speculating over what words to use. bravenak Oct 2014 #2
No, that's not happening. SheilaT Oct 2014 #3
Ah Yep.. Peacetrain Oct 2014 #5
Indeed. It would be completely out of control globally by now, and kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #16
When the lungs bleed and the patient coughs, OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #6
But those droplets stay droplets. They are far too large to form an AEROSOL. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #15
No, it's not weaponized anthrax were talking about here. OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #20
No, its never happened before and... JaneyVee Oct 2014 #8
The only airborne Ebola we need to worry about is Ebola infected health care workers flying awake Oct 2014 #9
also infected Liberians flying in from Africa. nt magical thyme Oct 2014 #17
Ok anyone infected who flies on a airliner from any where to any where. awake Oct 2014 #18
it would take alot of talking heads and big mouths spewing hot air GusBob Oct 2014 #12
Virologists say it doesn't happen and likely cannot happen. Too much of a genetic jump, no kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #13
Ebola Reston was most likely transmitted via the air AngryAmish Oct 2014 #19
Rabies isn't "airborne", but can be transmitted via droplets in air LeftInTX Oct 2014 #21
It's possible if left uncontrolled in a highly populated area. Avalux Oct 2014 #22
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. I think they're talking about inhaling droplets from a sneeze, for example.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:14 PM
Oct 2014

Not exactly "airborne" as such, but not direct contact as we think of it.

That's what I've been picking up from other threads on DU, anyway

Peacetrain

(22,874 posts)
4. It has me throughly confused..
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:17 PM
Oct 2014

Transmission types mutate??... I remember going through this when AIDS first came on the scene and people were talking about catching it when someone sneezed.. and it seems we are headed down that same street of panic..

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
7. I believe the media, and even some politicians, are exploiting that confusion.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:25 PM
Oct 2014

Nothing says "sit through 5 minutes of commercials" quite like "You're gonna DIE! Stayed tuned for more info" and it sickens me more than Ebola ever will

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. No, that's not happening.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:16 PM
Oct 2014

Diseases almost never mutate to change their form of transmission. And if Ebola were actually spread by airborne means, well millions of people would have gotten it by now.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
16. Indeed. It would be completely out of control globally by now, and
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:33 PM
Oct 2014

the epidemiologic evidence would show that PPE never protected adequately unless it was the BSL-4 space suits.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
15. But those droplets stay droplets. They are far too large to form an AEROSOL.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:32 PM
Oct 2014

Droplets don't float on air currents. Aerosols do.

Droplets can't float into alveoli. Aerosols can.

A droplet in a mouth or nose is still just a droplet.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
20. No, it's not weaponized anthrax were talking about here.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:15 PM
Oct 2014

But if you're confident that you can walk into wake of a sneeze from a symptomatic ebola patient and not get sick, then be my guest.

awake

(3,226 posts)
9. The only airborne Ebola we need to worry about is Ebola infected health care workers flying
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:27 PM
Oct 2014

on commercial airplanes while sick.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
13. Virologists say it doesn't happen and likely cannot happen. Too much of a genetic jump, no
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 09:30 PM
Oct 2014

selection pressure for a virus to do that since it spreads so spectacularly as it is.

There was a discussion of this among university virologists and maybe an epidemiologist in the mix on This Week in Virology and they covered it thoroughly. It made a believer out of me but I went and forgot the details of why it wasn't an issue.

http://www.twiv.tv/tag/ebola/

LeftInTX

(25,220 posts)
21. Rabies isn't "airborne", but can be transmitted via droplets in air
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:33 PM
Oct 2014
TWO PERSONS who entered Frio Cave, a large limestone cavern near Uvalde, Tex.,where rabid bats had been identified, subsequently died of laboratory-confirmed rabies. One death occurred in 1956, the other in 1958. Both men were reliable observers and early in their illness, while still conscious and alert, both denied knowledge of being bitten by bats or other mammals. These observations suggested the possibility of some nonbite mode of transmission of rabies, at least under the atmospheric conditions in Frio Cave or caves similarly inhabited by millions of bats.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1914752/?page=1

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
22. It's possible if left uncontrolled in a highly populated area.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:49 PM
Oct 2014

I don't see that occurring, but Ebola is a living creature and wants to survive. If given the opportunity, it may mutate to airborne.

Here's an excellent article on the topic. It's from 2009, and is based on outbreaks of a smaller scale:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3378103/

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