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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 10:39 PM Oct 2014

Both infected nurses treated Duncan between Sept. 28 and Sept 30.

This was the period before Ebola had been confirmed in Duncan, but during the period in which he had violent vomiting and diarrhea. The period before the hospital used hazmat suits to treat him.

The important question is how many others treated him during that period? How many of the other 74 who treated him did so during that period? They seem to be the ones most at risk.

The CDC's investigation suggests that health care workers were at highest risk from Sept. 28 to Sept. 30, the three days before Duncan was diagnosed. Both nurses who contracted Ebola worked on those days and had extensive contact with him when he had vomiting and diarrhea, Frieden said.

Medical records indicate that the workers wore protective equipment, including gowns, gloves and face shields during that time. The first mention in the records that they wore hazmat suits was on Sept. 30.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/texas-dept-2nd-person-tests-positive-ebola-26206324?page=2
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KMOD

(7,906 posts)
1. I believe they are focusing on those days,
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:02 PM
Oct 2014

since those are the days that the nurse's union says protocols were not taken. It this is accurate, the incubation period until they showed symptoms was 16 days for Amber and 14 days for Nina. Not the said typical of 8-10 days. Nina's friend's have claimed that she had never cared for Duncan without a full hazmat suit. Nina also alledgedly cared for Duncan in his final days, when he would have been much more symptomatic. So I just assuming that Nina and Amber came into contact after he was isolated and critical, a few days later.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
2. I noticed the incubation period, too.
Wed Oct 15, 2014, 11:08 PM
Oct 2014

It would make more since if they were infected around the time of his death.

That would likely lower the risk of additional infections, due to heightened precautions.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
5. I think I read somewhere that the lower the initial "dose" of virus
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:25 AM
Oct 2014

particles, the longer the incubation period because it takes longer for the numbers to reach critical mass?

Which kind of fits. They would have had far less exposure (to numbers of particles) than Duncan did with his gallivanting around with the terminally ill woman. So he got very sick much quicker.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
7. "gallivanting around"??? Are you serious? Duncan by all accounts
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:32 AM
Oct 2014

was trying to provide care for a women in the latter stages of pregnancy. Maybe I missed something but since when is that 'gallivanting'?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
9. OK, it's a colloquialism that means travelling somewhere for fun
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:50 AM
Oct 2014

or amusement:

From Google:

gal·li·vant
ˈɡaləˌvant/
verb
informal
gerund or present participle: gallivanting

go around from one place to another in the pursuit of pleasure or entertainment.
"she quit her job to go gallivanting around the globe"

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Sorry to be such a pedantic noob, but the attacks on nurses have got me really fucking steamed.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
10. +1 thank you and the nurse who listened to the CDC ok to fly is now Typhoid Mary I noticed too
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 01:04 AM
Oct 2014

Gallivanting... ...I can see this getting real ugly if it does start to spread not the disease as much as JQPUBLIC

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
4. True, but not while symptomatic.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:20 AM
Oct 2014

I should hope that there was no way for them to infect another patient with Duncan's bodily fluids.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
6. Dried virus can survive for several hours. And it only takes one particle to infect.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:27 AM
Oct 2014

AND if my theory is right, infection with just a few particles could have the longest incubation - 20 days. So those patients are NOT out of the woods.

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