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spanone

(135,795 posts)
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 02:23 PM Oct 2014

too bad we can't get michael brown's version of what happened when he encountered darren wilson

he who lives gets the last word....

Report: Michael Brown's blood found on Officer Darren Wilson's gun, car door

CNN) -- Forensic tests have found the blood of Michael Brown on the gun, uniform and police cruiser belonging to Officer Darren Wilson, who fatally shot the unarmed teen two months ago in Ferguson, Missouri, The New York Times reported.

The revelation, provided by unnamed government officials familiar with a federal civil rights investigation, marked the first public account of Wilson's testimony to investigators, but it immediately drew suspicion and anger from leading activists who portended an ominous reaction from Brown supporters.

Angela Whitman, a Ferguson resident who was among activists meeting with U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder there in August, found the newspaper account of Wilson's testimony "so hard to believe."

She said the report addressed only the initial encounter and not the subsequent fatal shooting, when some witnesses said Brown was surrendering with his hands up. But police said Wilson shot Brown after the teen attacked him and tried to take his gun.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/18/justice/michael-brown-darren-wilson-account/index.html

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too bad we can't get michael brown's version of what happened when he encountered darren wilson (Original Post) spanone Oct 2014 OP
Dead men tell no tales, hence the final 'kill shot' through the top of Brown's skull. What's KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #1
the blood makes sense if you listen to Dorian Johnson, who was with brown spanone Oct 2014 #2
Even from what little we do 'know' about this case already, Wilson's account in KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #4
Yeap, that's been the issue ... whether or not Wilson can REASONABLY claim that Brown was still uponit7771 Oct 2014 #6
Michael Brown was not shot in the back. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #10
He was shot at from the back. Solomon Oct 2014 #12
Pathologist says he couldve been hit from the back... it's confirmed he was shot at from the uponit7771 Oct 2014 #20
This...The officer drove forward, but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said. logosoco Oct 2014 #15
As far as I know every witness says it was murder damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #3
The major problem with the new reports is the fact avebury Oct 2014 #5
they did not process Wilson's cruiser? Is this true? Wow. bettyellen Oct 2014 #7
They did not process Wilson's cruiser at the scene of the shooting. avebury Oct 2014 #13
I could not find a source for this- just a mention in a Kos blog.... bettyellen Oct 2014 #14
Given the fact that it was widely reported that the shooter was allowed avebury Oct 2014 #16
I understand, but have not seen it reported even once that Wilson drove away in his own cruiser- bettyellen Oct 2014 #17
I don't think that's true scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #19
Where's the media report for this.... BronxBoy Oct 2014 #22
"....The revelation, provided by unnamed government officials...." oh... nevermind.. another one of uponit7771 Oct 2014 #8
i noticed that too.....it's been leaked without a shred of actual testimony or facts spanone Oct 2014 #9
Did we expect him to say "yeah, i shot that dude in cold blood, and it was awesome" Calista241 Oct 2014 #11
2 months to cook the books and create the necessary evidence nt msongs Oct 2014 #18
I don't believe one fucking word that comes out of that police department. n/t MerryBlooms Oct 2014 #21
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
1. Dead men tell no tales, hence the final 'kill shot' through the top of Brown's skull. What's
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 02:25 PM
Oct 2014

the point of having a death squad if it's going to leave witnesses?

spanone

(135,795 posts)
2. the blood makes sense if you listen to Dorian Johnson, who was with brown
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 02:40 PM
Oct 2014

Dorian Johnson, 22, who was walking with Brown on the street when the shooting occurred, told CNN that the officer pulled up and told them to get on the sidewalk.

They told him they were almost home, and would be off the street shortly.

The officer drove forward, but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said.

"We were so close, almost inches away, that when he tried to open his door aggressively, the door ricocheted both off me and Big Mike's body and closed back on the officer," he said.

Still in his car, the officer grabbed Brown by his neck, but he tried to pull away as the officer pulled him toward him, Johnson said.
The officer drew his weapon and fired, hitting Brown, Johnson said. A bloodied Brown took off running, but the officer followed him and fired, according to Johnson.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
4. Even from what little we do 'know' about this case already, Wilson's account in
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 03:20 PM
Oct 2014

no way exonerates him from a charge of 'excessive force' after the initial encounter was over. Every witness says Brown was unarmed and had his hands up (to varying degrees) when Wilson fired the final kill shot(s).

St. Louis County DA McCulloch must recuse himself immediately, else run the risk of the community perceiving that he threw the case to buff up his relations with local law enforcement.

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
6. Yeap, that's been the issue ... whether or not Wilson can REASONABLY claim that Brown was still
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 04:23 PM
Oct 2014

... a threat to those around him or himself after he ran away.

Not only that Wilson shot at brown from the back... that also is another reasonable danger issue... my understanding is the officer can't shoot at anyone in their back or from the back unless they're in danger or someone else might be in danger.

Also, the FPD is a bunch of damn liars... they could've gotten blood Browns blood after the fact...

If there was already Browns blood somewhere on Wilsons person or things this would've been the FIRST out of the box to be reported.

This is bs

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
20. Pathologist says he couldve been hit from the back... it's confirmed he was shot at from the
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 07:22 PM
Oct 2014

...back and yes... that's criminal if Brown was no threat

regards

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
15. This...The officer drove forward, but stopped and backed up, almost hitting the pair, Johnson said.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 05:51 PM
Oct 2014

At that point I think wilson was letting his emotions control the situation.
And the point where "a bloodied Brown took off running but the officer followed him and fired" that is when it became murder.

And if they did let wilson take the SUV from the scene, I , as a juror would not consider any evidence from it.

damnedifIknow

(3,183 posts)
3. As far as I know every witness says it was murder
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 03:10 PM
Oct 2014

It's Wilson's word against everyone else who was there.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
5. The major problem with the new reports is the fact
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 03:38 PM
Oct 2014

that when the police allowed the shooter to leave with his cruiser, they broke the chain of evidence for anything that might have been found on the car. Given the behavior of the police, reasonable doubt could be raised on any evidence that appears to make the victim the guilty party in the incident. If the police feared for the safety of the shooter, they should have put him in a different vehicle to remove him from the scene and left his cruiser there to be processed on site. Once they allowed the shooter to remove the vehicle, they set up reasonable grounds for planting evidence that would protect the shooter.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
13. They did not process Wilson's cruiser at the scene of the shooting.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 05:03 PM
Oct 2014

Wilson was allowed to leave the scene with his cruiser. As he is the one who would be under investigation to determine if it was a justifiable shooting or a criminal act, in my mind the chain of custody for any evidence later obtained from the cruiser was broken. He had access to the victim and the cruiser and, once he took off with the cruiser, would have had the opportunity to plant evidence. This is a huge hurtle for the defense to get over IMO.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
14. I could not find a source for this- just a mention in a Kos blog....
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 05:16 PM
Oct 2014

hate to ask you for a source, but I'd love one in this case.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
16. Given the fact that it was widely reported that the shooter was allowed
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 05:53 PM
Oct 2014

to leave the site with his cruiser it is pretty clear that the authorities did not bother to process the car at the scene of the shooting.

Had the authorities did a proper investigation they would have either 1) did a crime scene investigation of the car at the scene or 2) had a third party entity/person move the car to a secure site for full examination. Instead, the officer was allowed to leave the scene driving the vehicle.

My evaluation is based upon the report that the officer was allowed to drive himself away from the scene in the cruiser coupled with common sense analysis. Common sense would dictate that you don't allow the suspect free, upsupervised access to part of the "crime scene."

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
17. I understand, but have not seen it reported even once that Wilson drove away in his own cruiser-
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 06:33 PM
Oct 2014

that is why I requested a link. Have not seen it, and was curious why there is not stink over it if it is true.

 

scarystuffyo

(733 posts)
19. I don't think that's true
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 07:18 PM
Oct 2014

There was blood all over the inside.
He didn't get back inside and drive it , he didn't drive anything
He was taken to the hospital

The car was towed , no one drove it with blood on the inside of the door

uponit7771

(90,302 posts)
8. "....The revelation, provided by unnamed government officials...." oh... nevermind.. another one of
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 04:29 PM
Oct 2014

...these crap revelations

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
11. Did we expect him to say "yeah, i shot that dude in cold blood, and it was awesome"
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 04:50 PM
Oct 2014

I mean, what did everyone think he would say? Like everyone else, he wants to stay out of jail.

I personally think they'll put him on trial. IMO, the confrontation was over, and the cop was pissed and shot him for no reason. You and I and everyone else would be in jail already for that.

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