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By Tom Breakwell
October 15, 2014 | 12:55 pm
The string of beheadings of American and British hostages at the hands of the Islamic State has drawn horror and intense media scrutiny the world over, redoubling international determination to defeat the extremist group.
But with IS dominating headlines, it is easy to forget that Saudi Arabia, a member of the UN's Human Rights Council and a close ally of America in the war against the Islamist fighters, is itself routinely carrying out the practice of beheading.
Since January of this year, 59 people have been beheaded in Saudi Arabia under the country's antiquated legal system based primarily around sharia law.
Last month saw Saudi Arabia behead at least 8 people twice the number of Western hostages who have so far featured in IS's barbaric execution videos. In August those executed by Riyadh were sentenced to death for crimes such as apostasy, adultery and "sorcery." In one case, four members of the same family were executed for "receiving large quantities of hashish," a sentence imposed, according to Amnesty International, on the basis of "forced confessions extracted through torture."
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The practice is not confined to adults. According to Amnesty International, Saudi Arabia executed at least one person under the age of 18 this year, a violation of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child.
More: https://news.vice.com/article/saudi-arabia-beheaded-59-people-so-far-this-year-but-hardly-anyone-is-talking-about-it
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librechik
(30,674 posts)put em on the terror list. I bet they're funding IS...
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...and one that I hadn't considered. (re: I bet they're funding IS...)
Makes sense.
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belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)...points to the Saudis as involved in the attacks.
Theres nothing in it about national security, Walter Jones, a Republican congressman from North Carolina who has read the missing pages, contends. Its about the Bush Administration and its relationship with the Saudis. Stephen Lynch, a Massachusetts Democrat, told me that the document is stunning in its clarity, and that it offers direct evidence of complicity on the part of certain Saudi individuals and entities in Al Qaedas attack on America. Those twenty-eight pages tell a story that has been completely removed from the 9/11 Report, Lynch maintains. Another congressman who has read the document said that the evidence of Saudi government support for the 9/11 hijacking is very disturbing, and that the real question is whether it was sanctioned at the royal-family level or beneath that, and whether these leads were followed through. Now, in a rare example of bipartisanship, Jones and Lynch have co-sponsored a resolution requesting that the Obama Administration declassify the pages.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/twenty-eight-pages
Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Good post. Thanks for the link.
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belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)I'm pretty sure ISIS holds the record in this particular competition.
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Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)jmowreader
(50,546 posts)Saudi Arabia was beheading people before the Vikings discovered the North American continent. ISIL would have to behead a thousand people a year for the next 10,000 years to even dream of catching up to Saudi Arabia.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)get the red out
(13,460 posts)We weren't supposed to say anything bad about the Saudis because the US is evil?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."
verse 4 (47:4) - Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.
...there ya' go. Who could complain about a mandate like that? :/
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belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)it possible for the reader to infer that the one horror is being used to minimize the other.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)agree 110%
we absolutely have NO moral ground with this issue
our state-sponsored torture ranks right up there with the best
JEB
(4,748 posts)One is supposedly more under our control. It is best to clean ones own house before demanding someone else clean theirs. That is why I used but.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Personally, once a 'house' makes my existence a punishable offense, I don't give a fuck if someone thinks I should become a perfected master prior to criticizing them. I'm funny that way.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and say "at least we're not as bad as them" and actually be correct for once. Which is a statement that boggles the mind.
Saudi Arabia is the overflowing moral and ethical sewer that contains everything that is worst in humanity.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...from Saudi Arabia?...or America?...or Korea?...
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KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
former9thward
(31,961 posts)Who knows how many they execute or in what manner.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Just sayin'
FWIW, I'm against the DP on practical, as opposed to moral, grounds. It costs more to go through DP appeals than it does to keep someone locked up for life.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Never mind. Sick fucks.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)because they are our friends.
hunter
(38,309 posts)The U.S.A. brand of conservative punitive fundamentalism has more high fructose corn syrup in it to hide the underlying bite.
But any nation that has a death penalty is primitive and barbaric.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)if it were not for stays related to the medical botching of executions in several states. And yet 'hardly anyone talks about it',,,...
A proper beheading is most likely less cruel and unusual than the pseudo-medical dog and pony show we carry out in this country...
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I have seen several - and they in no way compare to the burning flesh, flames shooting from under the headgear, prolonged spasms and so on of our techniques.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)A split second, thunk, you're dead. There's probably a shock of pain for a few more seconds, before your brain shuts off from lack of oxygen coming in, if the blade's impact to the spinal cord didn't already render the brain insensible.
Bragi
(7,650 posts)I'm no defender of the Saudis, but it seems to me this beheading head-count comparison is not particularly apt.
The Saudis use beheading as a form of capital punishment, done in accordance with what passes for laws and a judicial process in their country.
ISIS uses beheadings as a grisly PR stunt to threaten the west and attract western recruits, and also (in larger numbers) as a way of killing off perceived/declared enemies in seized and occupied territories.
I don't think these things are equivalent. The Saudis use of beheadings is more like, say, what Texas and other US capital punishment states do.
(For the record, I am opposed to all forms of capital punishment.)
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)
"beheadings" in scare quotes as an excuse for war.
It was the act of beheading that offended the sensibilities of Americans and swayed their opinion toward approval of war with ISIS.
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Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Mote and beam. (And beheading is quicker and more merciful than letting someone lay strapped to a gurney, snorting and gasping for air while flailing like a hooked fish, for over an hour...as has happened in the USA very recently).
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)
stones in glass houses while using beheadings to justify war with ISIS.
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Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)because ISIS are terrorists executing hostages. Saudi Arabia is executing condemned criminals after a trial and conviction in accordance with their laws. There is a very large difference between the two, and it's absurdly hypocritical for Americans (who also execute people) to point at Saudi Arabian capital punishment and say "why aren't we going after them too?" This is what's called "false equivalence".
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...if you consider apostasy, adultery and sorcery to be crimes worthy of a death sentence.
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Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)The USA's use of it is just as backwards and barbaric as Saudi Arabia's. I don't think that possession of two ounces of crack should see someone sent to prison for 20 years, either, talking of fucked-up legal systems (which we actually aren't; if you want to talk about the Saudi justice system and its use of capital punishment, then we can have that conversation, but it really has nothing whatever to do with ISIS and their arbitrary execution of hostages.)
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)punishment. On the other hand, the recidivism rate is quite low.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Saudi Arabia is becoming one of those issues. A righty I oerheard today basically spoke of how we ahould stand with Israel and the Kurds because they support our values, and how Saudi Arabia is funding ISIS.