It's been three years since the glorious Libyan intervention. How's that working out?

[Comrade Grumpy]

"Three Years After Ghaddafi's Death, Libya Slides Into Civil War"

http://www.ibtimes.com/three-years-after-gadhafis-death-libya-slides-civil-war-death-toll-rises-benghazi-1707824

"Rival Governments Dispute Control of Libya's Oil"

http://online.wsj.com/articles/rival-governments-dispute-control-of-libyan-oil-1413660615

"Libya: Chronology of a Collapsing State"

http://www.dw.de/libya-chronology-of-a-collapsing-state/a-18005620

"Daily Chart: Libya on the Edge"

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2014/10/daily-chart-12

"Libya: The War Nobody Can Win"

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/10/libya-war-nobody-can-win-2014101973131576935.html

[n2doc]

1. Anyone asking former SOS Clinton about this? n/t

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. why did someone declare "Mission Accomplished?"

[Comrade Grumpy]

5. Here she is in her own words:

[VanillaRhapsody]

14. Out of Fucking Context....

are you FOX news now.....because that is THEIR M.O.

[Comrade Grumpy]

16. You're welcome to provide a fuller contextual analysis. I think she was pretty clear.

[VanillaRhapsody]

17. I don't HAVE to provide the context....that would be YOUR job!

or are you James O'Keefe now?

[Comrade Grumpy]

20. Yeah, the context was her gloating about her glorious Libyan intervention.

So far, you have accused me of being like Fox News and now James O'Keefe. Fucking grow up. Address what she had to say. Defend it and her Libya policy. If you can.

[VanillaRhapsody]

21. Context.....

[Comrade Grumpy]

23. I see. Ya got nuthin'.

[VanillaRhapsody]

25. and you have a link to a CT Website.....

I'd rather have nuthin' frankly!

I see London.... I see France.....I See Comrade Grumpy's underpants!

[Comrade Grumpy]

27. I also have a link to the CBS web site just to make you feel better.

And now you're resorting to nursery rhyme insults. What are you, five fucking years old? Grow up and learn how to discuss things like an adult. You're just embarrassing yourself (and by association, anyone you claim to be supporting).

[VanillaRhapsody]

28. It doesn't matter....you went "there"....and showed your true colors...

which is why I say I saw your underpants...

[Comrade Grumpy]

31. Your style of argument really leaves something to be desired.

I'll bet you don't behave like this in the real world. At least I hope you don't. For your sake.

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. oh yeah....only to my opponents though....

I hold no quarter nor do I suffer fools lightly!

[Comrade Grumpy]

34. How do you look in the mirror then?

[VanillaRhapsody]

15. and here is where you got that little Alex Jonesian nugget from...

Federaljack.com is a website dedicated to archiving and exposing the truth about the New World Order. We don't subscribe to the two party system because its a lie. We post what we can verify to the best of our abilities, sometimes our content pisses off our viewers........that means its a real subject, we don't expect everyone to agree with us all the time and thats ok. We are not here to make friends, we are here to save the world with knowledge and truth. We cover news from around the world 24/7 on youtube and on our website http://www.federaljack.com/

sure you don't want to self-delete?

[Comrade Grumpy]

18. Yes, I'm sure I don't want to self-delete. Your attempt to obsfuscate is a fail.

The Clinton interview was with CBS News, as was clearly indicated in the video.

The fact that some other weird web site grabbed it doesn't make it any less true.

You reek of desperation.

[VanillaRhapsody]

19. Nothing more desperate then posting from a Conspiracy Theory website!

Please read their link....you look foolish!

and it was clearly CUT ala James O'keefe style....that clip doesn't come from CBS.News....it comes from a Conspiracy theory website!

Or do you agree with the "New World Order" theme?

[Comrade Grumpy]

22. Here's the same information direct from CBS News. Feel better now?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/

Clinton on Qaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died"

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton shared a laugh with a television news reporter moments after hearing deposed Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi had been killed.

"We came, we saw, he died," she joked when told of news reports of Qaddafi's death by an aide in between formal interviews.

Clinton was in Tripoli earlier this week for talks with leaders of Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC).

The reporter asked if Qaddafi's death had anything to do with her surprise visit to show support for the Libyan people.

"No," she replied, before rolling her eyes and saying "I'm sure it did" with a chuckle.

Watch the video here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/clinton-on-qaddafi-we-came-we-saw-he-died/

(The only difference is you have to watch an ad first on this one).

[VanillaRhapsody]

24. she said he died? Soooooo????.....he DID die!

or are you a fan of Quadaffi?

[Comrade Grumpy]

29. I'm a fan of a non-interventionist foreign policy.

I'm not a fan of our secretary of state gloating and laughing about someone being murdered.

Would you care to address the success or failure of our Libyan intervention? I didn't think so.

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. Non interventionist....you mean like in Sierra Leone?

and YES I will gloat about a murdering terrorist asshole tyrant dictator being killed....by the way.....THEY killed him....HIS people....not us.

[Comrade Grumpy]

33. Care to address that Libya intervention?

I see you've devoted numerous posts to this thread about OUR LIBYAN INTERVENTION. Yet you've managed to never, ever actually address it. Instead you attempt to derail anything you see as an attack on your sainted Hillary, and resort to mud-slinging and character assassination and diversion.

I'm bored playing with my inferiors. See ya later.

[VanillaRhapsody]

35. Your Inferiors? You mean us lowly "Democrats"?

I mean you don't even believe in a 2 party system right? New World Order....New World Order!!!!

[former9thward]

3. It is working out like all of our military adventures in the Middle East.

That is, not at all. Get out now..

[hfojvt]

4. at last report

General Franco was still dead.

[pampango]

6. Chaos does make us nostalgic for kings/dictators. It happened in France after 1789 and

many times since in many different places.

It seems to be a cycle that humans go through. From discontent with repression and a lack of rights to a realization, in too many instances, that the king/dictator leaves behind no infrastructure of democratic government, without which, chaos is likely. Given a generation or so, the cycle repeats. One hopes that, in the long run, there is progress towards greater rights and participation in government.

[TransitJohn]

7. I was absolutely vllified and taunted in those days

for expressing the opinion that our intervention there was pointless.

[riderinthestorm]

9. You weren't alone. There were a few of us who had deep reservations about

The so-called Arab Spring revolutions....

[LanternWaste]

8. Some revolutions may produce a Reign or Terror, whilst yet others may produce a Bill of Rights.

Some revolutions may produce a Reign or Terror, whilst yet others may produce a Bill of Rights. Half-witted, dogmatic ideologues are the only ones who maintain the pretense of absolute knowledge prior, during and after...

[Comrade Grumpy]

11. That's a pretty harsh assessment of the State Department.

[Johonny]

36. technically the basic cycle of revolution state that they all have a reign of terror phase

some are more terror than others. If you believe in the anatomy of a revolution:
This is another way of saying who ever didn't see this coming never read the basic books on revolutions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anatomy_of_Revolution

[hifiguy]

10. The fall of tyrants tends to result in chaos

unless there is a dynastic tyrant-in-waiting to whom the tyranny can be willed. See North Korea and Syria.

[hobbit709]

12. About as well as the rest of big oil's efforts.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly

Pyrrhus replied to one that gave him joy of his victory that one more such victory would utterly undo him. Plutarch

[nationalize the fed]

26. Just one of many "regime changes"

that the US feels authorized to perform

1 Prior to Cold War

1.1 Russia

2 During the Cold War

2.1 Communist states 1944–89
2.2 Syria 1949
2.3 Iran 1953
2.4 Guatemala 1954
2.5 Tibet 1955–70s
2.6 Indonesia 1958
2.7 Cuba 1959
2.8 Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960–65
2.9 Iraq 1960–63
2.10 Dominican Republic 1961
2.11 South Vietnam 1963
2.12 Brazil 1964
2.13 Ghana 1966
2.14 Chile 1970–73
2.15 Argentina 1976
2.16 Afghanistan 1979–89
2.17 Turkey 1980
2.18 Poland 1980–81
2.19 Nicaragua 1981–90
2.19.1 Destablization through CIA assets
2.19.2 Arming the Contras
2.20 Cambodia 1980–95
2.21 Angola 1980s

3 Since the end of the Cold War

3.1 Iraq 1992–96
3.2 Afghanistan 2001
3.3 Venezuela 2002
3.4 Iraq 2002–03
3.5 Haiti 2004
3.6 Gaza Strip 2006–present
3.7 Somalia 2006–07
3.8 Iran 2005–present
3.9 Libya 2011
3.10 Syria 2012–present

The United States has been involved in and assisted in the overthrow of foreign governments (more recently termed "regime change&quot without the overt use of U.S. military force. Often, such operations are tasked to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions

Many people think that ignoring these outrageous acts makes them go away.

But isn't it nice to know that Cinnabon can now sell in Libya?

Cinnabon in Tripoli as Libya Opens Up to Foreign Business

After 42 years, the country formerly known as the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya is getting its first taste of consumer capitalism in an unlikely form: sweet, sticky cinnamon rolls. Cinnabon, the Atlanta-based bakery chain, is at the vanguard of a potential business boom in the North African country, which deposed dictator Muammar Qaddafi last year in a bloody civil war. In July the unit of Focus Brands became the first U.S. franchise to open since the revolution, with a two-level Tripoli outlet. It’s become a popular destination in a city with few diversions for residents...
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-13/cinnabon-in-tripoli-as-libya-opens-up-to-foreign-business