Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 04:52 PM Oct 2014

Michael Zehaf-Bibeau Named As Ottawa Shooter. A Canadian, born in 1982.

https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/525013278343581696

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/22/michael-zehaf-bibeau-ottawa-shooting_n_6030546.html

CBS Evening News says it has identified a dead suspect in the shooting of a soldier in Ottawa on Wednesday.

The network tweeted just before 1 p.m. that the shooter was Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a Canadian who was born in 1982.


Reports indicate he had a long gun, either a rifle or a shotgun.
18 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Michael Zehaf-Bibeau Named As Ottawa Shooter. A Canadian, born in 1982. (Original Post) Electric Monk Oct 2014 OP
...have been advised that the shooter was a Canadian convert to Islam. Electric Monk Oct 2014 #1
The one who shot the Canadian cop a few days ago - LiberalElite Oct 2014 #9
No fanatic like a convert, so they say. linuxman Oct 2014 #10
and that seems to be true no matter what the religion is - LiberalElite Oct 2014 #11
Yeah, seems pretty universal. linuxman Oct 2014 #12
I sure wish the problem leftynyc Oct 2014 #18
I think you mean Martin Rouleau? That wasn't a shooting, he ran them down with his car. Electric Monk Oct 2014 #15
Yes. Thanks for the correction. nt LiberalElite Oct 2014 #17
Islam.... SoCalMusicLover Oct 2014 #2
Strange isn't it CJCRANE Oct 2014 #3
There are over 1 million followers of Islam in Canada onenote Oct 2014 #4
The bigots will come out in force, sadly philosslayer Oct 2014 #5
Converting To Islam SoCalMusicLover Oct 2014 #6
But once the "bad apples" pass a certain arbitrary number, then it's fine to "typecast nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #13
reminds me of cops strawberries Oct 2014 #14
Many do it when it's a Xian. Igel Oct 2014 #8
All religions (even Buddhism) have a non-negligible portion of potentially violent fanatics. nomorenomore08 Oct 2014 #16
Rest in piss, scumbag chrisa Oct 2014 #7

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
11. and that seems to be true no matter what the religion is -
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:34 PM
Oct 2014

a friend's mother converted to Catholicism and the kids complain they now can't keep her out of church.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. I sure wish the problem
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:24 AM
Oct 2014

here was not being to keep someone praying so much rather than deciding to wage jihad against his country. Not really the same at all.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
15. I think you mean Martin Rouleau? That wasn't a shooting, he ran them down with his car.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:41 PM
Oct 2014
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/21/he-seemed-like-a-typical-and-fairly-boring-convert-inside-martin-rouleaus-rapid-decent-to-extremism/

...have taken a Nissan Altima to a strip mall in Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu, Que., at about 9 a.m. and waited two hours before running down two Canadian Forces members. Warrant Officer Patrice Vincent, 53, died of his injuries. The other victim is expected to survive.

“This was a despicable act of violence,” Prime Minister Stephen Harper told the House of Commons on Tuesday after paying tribute to Warrant Officer Vincent as a 28-year veteran of “distinguished service throughout this country.”

Following the attack, Mr. Rouleau called 911 to claim responsibility. A patrol officer who witnessed the events followed Mr. Rouleau, who flipped his car into a ditch. When he emerged from the vehicle with a knife, police shot him dead.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
3. Strange isn't it
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 05:58 PM
Oct 2014

that our govts support jihadis to overthrow secular regimes, then when those jihadis turn against us they use that to promote more war and taking our freedoms away.

onenote

(42,694 posts)
4. There are over 1 million followers of Islam in Canada
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:02 PM
Oct 2014

This recent convert/fanatic goes on a killing spree and your reaction is condemn the entire religion. Nice.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
6. Converting To Islam
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:21 PM
Oct 2014

Unfortunately it does taint the whole religion. You hardly see people converting to Mormonism, Judaism, Christianity, and then going out to murder people. You have Americans actively converting to Islam and then flying to Syria to fight alongside Isis.

If I'm a bigot for saying that a religion which is supposedly based upon PEACE, ends up having many who believe the exact opposite, then I guess that's what I am.

It's wrong to typecast a whole religion based upon a few bad apples, but it seems like with concern to Islam, there are more than just a few. The solution....don't say your religion is based upon the belief of "peace" when you have many followers who think it is a belief in war and violence instead.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
13. But once the "bad apples" pass a certain arbitrary number, then it's fine to "typecast
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:39 PM
Oct 2014

a whole religion"? What about those followers for whom it is a "religion of peace"? Do they really deserve to be lumped in with fanatics and terrorists?

 

strawberries

(498 posts)
14. reminds me of cops
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:39 PM
Oct 2014

a few bad apples, but those that look the other way are just as bad. I heard that on this board

Igel

(35,300 posts)
8. Many do it when it's a Xian.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 08:17 PM
Oct 2014

A couple hundred million Xians, a couple hundred fanatics who dare to carry signs in a tactless manner, and it's the entire religion. Or the goofball who dares to firebomb an abortion clinic.

The do the same thing with Hindus. The occasional riot, and it's the backwardness of the faith.

Then again, there is a bit of a pattern with Xians, and even with Hindus. I'm sure that doesn't happen with Muslims--it's just the oddball Western convert and those always get dealt with as though they were unique, which is entirely appropriate.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
16. All religions (even Buddhism) have a non-negligible portion of potentially violent fanatics.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:41 PM
Oct 2014

Some a larger portion than others, sure, but there's no reason to condemn (nor exonerate) an entire faith based on that.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
7. Rest in piss, scumbag
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 06:47 PM
Oct 2014

It's unfortunate this turd was able to kill someone before being forever wiped from this earth.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Michael Zehaf-Bibeau Name...