Wow.....How Many Threads in GD Decrying Democratic GOTV?

[msanthrope]

I mean, look....I get it. The constant Dem emails can be annoying.

Especially when you can't figure out the "Unsubscribe" button.

I mean, the emails are annoying when you think about it....constant reminders to do, donate, GOTV, get off your ass and vote on Election Day.

And the links!!!! To your local Dems who need support, to news, to organizations that need volunteers! Who has time for this shit?

So I totally get why people are complaining. You know, instead of writing thoughtful OPs on the legacy of the Iraq War as embodied by the convictions in the Blackwater case today.

I mean, Fuck Eric Holder, right????

########################################

Here's the thing....some small measure of Justice got handed out today. Four killers will pay for their murders....murders commissioned by Blackwater. And that was made possible by a federal jury, in front of a federal judge, in a federal courthouse.

If you think elections DO NOT MATTER.....then just reflect on who seats judges, who pays for courthouses, and juries, and everything else that makes Justice happen.

GOTV. Even with the annoying emails.

[msanthrope]

1. I'm kicking this..with a reminder that your local Dem org needs volunteers. nt

[FSogol]

2. K & R. Your comments are spot on.

as usual.



Unfortunately Pro-Democratic Party threads sink like a stone on DU.

[msanthrope]

4. Apparently, I am a paid operative. I am still awaiting my first

check from the government, however, and want to know just exactly how I can get paid for supporting a Democratic President on a Democratic partisan board.

[greatauntoftriplets]

10. From one government plant to another, K&R!!!

[msanthrope]

11. This AuthoroCrytpoFascistStasiCorpratist awaits

the attack of the blue links proving we are Cass Sunstein's shock troops.

The eagle has landed. The fat man walks alone.

[greatauntoftriplets]

12. I'd better practice walking in lockstep...

all the way to the polls. *

*I've actually voted already.

[msanthrope]

37. Did you get the uniform? nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

43. Oh yeah, I did!

It's certainly better than the one I wore in grade school.

[Hekate]

105. The significant owl hoots in the night. Now where's my paycheck from the...

...Elucidated Brethren?

I swear, being a government plant ain't what it used to be.

[msanthrope]

108. It's nice work if you can get it!!! Apply at the NSA--just call anyone and use the code

words "spy" "drone" and "homeland." Agents will contact you shortly! They pay the best.

[Hekate]

121. Agent Mike made promises over a beer in a low dive. Were those promises kept? My allegiance wavers.

I want money, honey.

[msanthrope]

123. Agent Mike has made a lot of promises to a lot of women. In a lot

of low dives.

[sheshe2]

28. Me, I am just a stupid cheerleader...an Obamabot.

I am from the BOG Yup, like I have never posted a coherent OP here on anything other than Obama.

That I support this President on a Democratic board is outrageous to some.

Keep on keeping on msanthrope!

[msanthrope]

41. On Democratic Underground, support of the Democratic President means

you are a fascist. Or something.

It's Bizzaro World here, sometimes.

[sheshe2]

48. I can only imagine what they are like in RL! eom

[msanthrope]

52. I am sure they are party people. Not our type of party people, though. nt

[treestar]

90. I am on the squad too

[sheshe2]

97. That's why I love you treestar!

[Number23]

61. The million, aw hell, the BILLION dollar question

exactly how I can get paid for supporting a Democratic President on a Democratic partisan board.

Every time I see that dumb assed "paid operative" garbage tossed at supporters of the Dem president on a Dem message board (Prosense got it more than anyone has or probably ever will) all it did was confirm beyond all irrefutable doubt that the person tossing the insult out was as dumb, without clue and irrelevant as they could be.

The remaining handfuls (and yes, THANK GOD their numbers seem to dwindle more by the week) that still do the "Obama is a corporate, right wing sell out, Dems/Repubs are the same" spew never seem to be brunt of that particularly idiotic taunt even though that would make far more sense. Funny that, huh?

[msanthrope]

79. Damn straight! The sad fact is that Election Day brings out the tired, worn

out meme that both parties are the same---that voting does not matter.

It does bring out interesting variations on the whine, though....this year, emails are supposed to keep you home.

[treestar]

89. I haven't gotten any checks yet either

Where are they?

[msanthrope]

93. The NSA. Or the CIA. Maybe Agent Mike. Your checks have been intercepted.

They are monitoring you.....

[Warpy]

3. If there is early voting, there is no excuse

Slip the baby sitter an extra few bucks for keeping the kids a little late. Eat a takeout dinner if it means there is no time to cook. Let the laundry sit there for another day, it's not like it's going to go anywhere. You won't curl up and die if you don't make it to the gym one night. The bar will be open after you vote and they're unlikely to run out of beer.

Just VOTE.

I did.

[msanthrope]

5. Maybe volunteer to help drive voters? Work a poll?

If you know a language, offer to poll assist?

I helped an Iraqi man vote for George Bush. As a Democratic poll monitor, I was proud to assist a new citizen at the polls. Who he voted for wasn't my business.

[Warpy]

7. Nobody seems to need a French translator in NM

The ballots are bilingual, English and Spanish, just like the state is.

If I lived really close to a Pueblo, I'd offer to drive people there. They tend to have long memories and vote Democratic.

[msanthrope]

13. We good Democrats do what we can. If we can convince

one person, one neighbor, one family member, one friend, one co-worker to vote, we've done our job.

[Warpy]

14. I had to go to a store after I voted

I told them the early polling place I went to had no line. It was a 5 minute drive from the store.

[msanthrope]

15. Thank you for GOTV!! nt

[moriah]

23. I was a non-partisan poll worker in both 2008 and 2012.

What frustrates me is that I donated ONLY to the official Obama campaign in 2008, and yet my email is on what feels line an innumerable amount of lists. I have tried clicking unsubscribe on each one that comes in, but more still come in from other lists they shared my info to.

It amounts to a gigantic pain in the ass to have a clear inbox. And yes, they're starting to piss me off with it, because I don't HAVE any money to give to these people! I would if I could, but I DON'T! I don't even have grocery money for the rest of this month!

[msanthrope]

44. Just keep hitting unsubscribe....I know it's frustrating, but the Dems need you. Can you

be a poll monitor in November?

[moriah]

67. They already said they were full up at my precinct, and I'm the "on-call" list with the county.

I don't know if technically I'd be allowed to do something outside of my county, but I also contacted the people in a neighboring county -- the one I did in 2012. Again, there too, it was the oncall list that got me in, so it may be that I get a call on Election Eve like I have the last two times I've done the job.

Once it was checking in voters, the other time my job was to assist people with the machines. I always did a quick run-through showing them where they could see their vote went onto paper when I showed someone to the seat, so they'd feel confident using the machine (it was the first election we had no paper ballots for those who wanted to use paper, and only had one voter who was really nervous about not voting on paper that year.)

[msanthrope]

72. Thank you for your GOTV efforts!!! nt

[JustAnotherGen]

31. +1

And if someone in has already voted - the rural area folks always have a need on election day,

[mcar]

6. Well stated

The anti-vote kvetching comes out like clockwork before elections, doesn't it?

[Warpy]

8. Some are paid trolls who have been here for years and

who only poke their heads out from under their rocks when the 1% want to beat us down.

[Cha]

9. Thank you, msanthrope! The Constant Whining is what is obnoxious.. they go into the Trash

Can Straightaway!

Unsubscribe.. they'll get the message. I just delete them.

If someone on this board thinks Elections don't matter then they aren't really paying attention, are they?

[msanthrope]

16. Whinging is the term I use because the Ivy League is familiar with it...nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

19. ...

[msanthrope]

45. Hat tip to you for getting that......nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

46. Thanks.

I have a cousin who attended one of those schools, even though he is a Midwesterner!

[msanthrope]

50. I attended one of those schools, but only after they invited me to take a

graduate degree.

[greatauntoftriplets]

54. Well, you're way too young to have known my cousin.

He did get his law degree from another leading Ivy League school, though.

[msanthrope]

56. I got my law degree from Temple, after rejecting Penn. Some people on this

board still think I am not a lawyer. Especially when I school them on the law.

[greatauntoftriplets]

63. Different school, then.

I think it's pretty clear that you're a lawyer. With some, you could say the sky is blue and there would be disagreement.

[SidDithers]

120. Hehehe...

Sid

[mopinko]

17. think of all the trees that are murdered for those emails. and the shredding, oh my.

yeah, get over yourselves. if you dont want to delete them all, if your poor little fingers are sore or something, then dont. just ignore them. or unsubscribe.

the message needs to get out somehow. and i know i dont usually donate time or money to people who dont bother to ask me.

the obama people figured out that if you send enough emails to supporters, eventually they respond. that's how we won.
so, yeah, lets not do that any more.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

30. Actually, it's all the mountains having their tops removed for them around here.

Since coal from mountaintop removal is what generates most of the electricity in my part of the country, and any time wasted slogging through email spam, rather than powering off the machine, means that I'm having more coal burnt to power the box.

[mopinko]

36. so turn it off. or ignore them.

[freshwest]

39. Where I live voters demand that hydro, solar and other alternatives be used. GOTV for that.

[moriah]

18. If I could afford to donate, I would. I can't. I'm already volunteering.

So it IS annoying to be prodded 20+ times a day to donate, and almost (only almost, though) makes me regret ever having donated to Obama's campaign (where they got my address).

I decided not to bitch here and just start unsubscribing, but it seems like the Obama fundraisers shared my info with what seems like a boggling number of other lists to get money out of me. It got really annoying when one asked "Are you still using this email address? Because you haven't donated!"

If I could, I would. But I can't, so I shan't. And it'd be nice if there was one unsubscribe button for ALL the lists that I've been placed on.

[msanthrope]

47. I thank you for volunteering. If you are getting mulitple emails, it's because

the campaigns are not coordinated---

"I'm not a member of any organized party....I'm a Democrat!" Will Rogers

[LawDeeDah]

49. One Ring to Rule Them All

One Unsubscribe Button to.... Disannoy Them All


you poor thang! If you regret voting for Obama you regret all the good things he has managed to do.

[moriah]

59. Never said I regret voting. Said I *almost* regret donating, however.

Because I never got spammed like this before I gave money.

And now, I don't have the money to give.

[jtuck004]

85. This is why we have small tables. You should go back there. n/t

[LawDeeDah]

102. First World Problem No. 1: I get too many Emails!

[mimi85]

55. Anybody on DU have a tiny violin?

[moriah]

65. Guess you missed the emoticon in the post above yours. n/t

[BlancheSplanchnik]

20. righteous!

Giant kick and rec!




(I know we had some huge argument once...I don't even remember what about....but I find myself applauding most of your posts. Just wanted to say that.)

[DisgustipatedinCA]

21. Demmie the Dog sez no Meta in GD.

arf

[freshwest]

22. WAIT! Blackwater guys who MURDERED Iraqis were convicted by the DOJ?

Are you sure you meant to post that at this website? Is that you, Agent Mike?



Already read the defense of not voting in 2010 and 2014 last night. You know it's surely coming. But it's unwise to reply.

Besides, Kitteh and me are too busy talking on our Obamaphone, Comrade. We know notink!

[Iliyah]

117. K & R

And those who don't vote will be the main ones moaning and groaning on the DU board.

[greatauntoftriplets]

118. From your mouth to God's ear!

[uppityperson]

24. Big k&r with thanks

[kentuck]

25. If DUers need to be goaded to go to the polls..

Just think how difficult it will be to get "normal" people to the polls? People need a personal reason to vote. Simply voting for one Party over the other is not enough for most folks. At least, they should personally like the candidate running.

[Corruption Inc]

26. Nowhere near as interesting as cat pictures, LOL

As numerous people here said to me, "I guess you're incapable of multitasking".

[SoapBox]

27. I see that many of my mostest favorite DUers are here, K & R'ing...

So you MUST be right!

Kicking and Recommending because you are correct...and because my favs say it too!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

29. I don't know. How many are there?

I admit I don't read every thread, but I haven't seen one yet.

I have seen multiple threads complaining about constantly being spammed for donations, but that's not 'GOTV'. And, in fact, if I've even gotten any GOTV emails, I'd never know it, because they get lost in all the spam 'give us money' emails, and wind up in the trash unread, thanks to all of those begging letters.

[winter is coming]

66. +1. n/t

[truebrit71]

70. Correct. There have been precisely zero threads decrying GOTV.

... and I too am sick to death of the pleading emails...

[DeadLetterOffice]

114. This. Exactly. n/t

[7962]

32. Its election season. What the hell do people expect?? nt

[moriah]

33. To, when I donate to ONE campaign six years ago, not ....

... have my email address given out to more email lists than I can count on my fingers and toes.

And maybe, just maybe, to have one unsubscribe button that nukes you from all of them instead of having to do them all individually (and still get emails even after that!)

[LawDeeDah]

51. Individual nuking is so haaaard....

it would be much easier tho, if President McCain were in charge. Keep that in mind for the next whimper.

[moriah]

62. Mighty high horse you're on.

Maybe you never donated so you don't get all the emails I do.

[LawDeeDah]

69. Embarrassment should follow all the complaining here lately.

I would be red with shame to whinge and moan about emails when so much awful stuff is being done by the Republicans. Tragic.

[moriah]

86. I didn't start a thread to bitch about it, or bitch about people bitching about it.

But the Democrats are not helping themselves by pissing off their constituents. Nor are they helping themselves by sending emails with titles such as "ALL HOPE IS LOST", "It's over. It's done.", "Accept Defeat", "CRUSHING FAILURE", and all the other great ways they're trying to improve the morale of their voters.

[LawDeeDah]

88. I don't understand.

I'll just leave you alone with your fears and disgust at democrats. Meanwhile I will reserve that for the stinkin' Republicans.

[moriah]

98. You can't see the utter stupidity in spamming the Democratic base with "Accept Defeat" as the title?

As I said in a political survey I got invited to participate in, I'm voting Democratic down the line. I'm also making calls for Mark Pryor here in Arkansas, because I don't want both Senators we have to be Republican -- one's bad enough.

But if you can't see that our party is doing something idiotic and admit it.... it says something.

[7962]

78. Good point. I guess I've been lucky and not hit that often.

I could see where it might get a little aggravating. Especially having to read the same gloom and doom stuff over and over.

[greatlaurel]

34. Seems there is very constant drone to drive down voter turnout. Good post, thanks.

Especially infuriating was the nitwit Russell Brand making the rounds on all the talk shows talking against voting. Who is really paying him to say such garbage?

If they were not afraid of us voting, the GOP and all the other Koch stooges would not work so hard to suppress the vote. Gee whiz, people, get out and vote.

[mopinko]

38. his publishers are paying him.

i suspect there are some appearance fees in there, too.

[Hekate]

35. KnR. Thank you.

Unfortunately my opinion of the people you refer to would get me banned and not them. Just sayin'

[sheshe2]

42. No kidding!

Hekate!

[LawDeeDah]

40. Absolutely well timed post. *applause

The poor over-wroughts with weighty tears of abuse, who find emails too hard to deal with...

you can't make this shit up.

hmmm, yes you can!

[NaturalHigh]

53. Only one bone to pick with you, msanthrope.

I know from sad experience that hitting "unsubscribe" often just verifies your e-mail address and gets you on more lists.

As for the fundraising junk mails, I'm fortunate that my spam filter catches most of them for me. I'm not going to donate to rich politicians who couldn't care less about me if they tried.

[herding cats]

57. I cannot believe being annoyed by emails is even a thing.

I have a lot of important races on my ballot this year, and I'm going to make my voice heard on all of them. I've also applied myself this year to getting as many other people to vote as possible in our election. It's 'a big fucking deal' to me!

I don't get the angst I see online about not being motivated to vote. Maybe I'm fighting some losing battles, but at least I'm actively participating in the fight.

[dionysus]

58. meanwhile the same people most likely cheer Grayson's staffer spamming DU with fundraising posts.

[sheshe2]

101. Ooops!

I got a hide for saying something about his fundraising here, dionysus.

[randome]

60. Real heroes would say '"Fuck those emails! Fuck those imperfect candidates!"

"I'm still going to GOTV just to spite them!"
[hr][font color="blue"][center]TECT in the name of the Representative approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]

[msanthrope]

109. There are few heroes left. nt

[flamingdem]

64. K n R

[Trajan]

68. BS ...

Yeah ... we all know where the unsubscribe button is ... but that isn't really the point of that thread, and you know it ...

OUR party, the Democratic Party, is FAILING to compose a message that resonates with it's base ... it relies instead on weird, extreme pronouncements of doom and gloom ...

Even if we DID unsubscribe, we would do so with the knowledge that our party, the Democratic Party, haven't a clue as to how to engage the very citizens it purports to represent. ...

I don't know about you, but I would prefer if my party were forming intelligent messages that would inspire their followers to stay engaged, instead of driving them away ...

Will is absolutely, positively correct ...

[LeftyMom]

71. That's funny, it looks to me like the posts are about the defeatest phrasing in constant spam email.

If you're pissing off your most enthusiastic donors you suck at marketing.

How did the Obama campaign turn people out in 2008? By saying that a big historic thing was happening and getting people excited about being a part of it. The marketing for this midterm seems to be the exact opposite. 'This is going to suck, give me $5' is not an inspirational message and it's not going to do shit for turnout.

If I wanted to be pestered to give somebody $3 dozens of times a day I'd ride the city bus.

[msanthrope]

75. Most enthusiastic donors? Can you name one here complaining? Seriously?

You really think the people here complaining are donors????

[LeftyMom]

82. Yes. How the fuck do you think they got on all the email sucker lists? nt

[msanthrope]

84. Lefty..if you signed a White House petition you got on the lists. Why

do you think donors are on the same list as complainers?

Seriously.

[Autumn]

73. None, there are none. There were a couple detailing the silliness of mass e-mail mailings

and making fun of their doom and gloom scare tactics. But in no way are those OPs Decrying Democratic GOTV. Not all DUers are weak minded enough to stay home and not vote because someone on DU doesn't like the e-mails from an organization.

[Peacetrain]

74. Thank You!

Sometimes it does get a little strange around here.. I thought I had signed on to a different site yesterday

[TBF]

76. I really hate Eric Holder -

but that is no excuse not to vote. Especially in Texas.

ETA to add link re early voting in Texas: http://www.democraticunderground.com/107821430

[TheKentuckian]

77. Mark it fucking zero, Dude.

[msanthrope]

81. The alert failed, yes? nt

[TheKentuckian]

122. Alert for what? A line from The Big Lebowski in response to breathless fiction?

[m-lekktor]

80. there are NONE decrying GOTV efforts.

there are several complaining about the "give up all hope we are going to lose big time" NEGATIVE messages in the fund raising emails. your post is DISINGENUOUS.

[msanthrope]

83. Indeed. Tell me about your GOTV efforts. nt

[treestar]

87. K&R

I think the emails are silly, but they must work on somebody, and so it's OK.

[Gothmog]

91. Please vote

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

92. My reason for being annoyed by e-mails is I've never heard of many of the candidates sending them.

Probably 99% of them are from candidates outside of the state I live in. About 3/4 of the e-mails in my inbox lately are such solicitations.

I intend to vote and I'm a life long Dem but I'm not an ATM.

[msanthrope]

94. I gave to Eric Cantor's opponent after such an email. He called me personally to

thank me.

I read those emails to know what the frak is going on.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

95. Do you get 100 a day?

Sometimes multiple ones on the same day from the same person?

Understand that I've always received solicitations. And I often give. It's just this election they're at an unprecedented level.

[msanthrope]

107. I get about 5 a day. nt

[Docross]

96. Reminds me of..

Karl Rove, when he first started...by stealing Democrat's letterhead, then putting "come join us,
lots of girls and booze!" on them and mailing them out to voters.... Got caught.

Then, when Dean was running, the Republicans hired people to call potential voters at like 2:00 in the
morning!...telling them it was for the Dean campaign.. Got caught.


If you can't win fairly...
If you can't win UNfairly

Give it up!

[SidDithers]

99. Looks like you struck a nerve...

Sid

[Major Hogwash]

106. No shit!

The one connected to the back of the knee that causes knee-jerk reactions!

[Union Scribe]

113. Lying will do that.

I'd expect to strike a nerve if I started a bullshit meta thread in GD taking a big swipe at DUers for something that never happened. I think you're too smart to really believe that "striking a nerve" means the same thing as "saying something true."

[grahamhgreen]

100. I told you the new war would kill us! Hate begets hate.

Now vote, people

[mountain grammy]

103. I voted today. Go Democrats!!!

[ZombieHorde]

104. "How Many Threads in GD Decrying Democratic GOTV?"

I don't see many of the threads in GD, but I am going to guess the answer is zero.

[treestar]

110. They are not direct; they are passive aggressive

Suggestions the Ds are not doing the campaign right. Suggestions the parties are the same. The usual crap about "standing for something." Telling you the Ds are not idealistic enough (as though a political party could be).

[stillwaiting]

112. Oh, the Republicans are much more committed to their stated issues than the Democrats.

So, a political party CAN be idealistic if they are solidly and outwardly right-wing. They can openly further the interests of the economic elite AND push for policies that accomplish just that.

[ZombieHorde]

119. When people strongly disagree, they almost never understand each other.

Even between spouses. Maybe, just maybe, those posts only mean what they say. Maybe some people are just frustrated with some of the things they see from their own party.

[LWolf]

111. I don't know.

Have you counted them?

Maybe if your point is to GOTV, time would be better spent doing so than on whatever is happening in GD. Just saying.

[Orsino]

115. What we're really decrying, I think...

...is that our Dems are demonstrably chasing money instead of real issues.

It's not that they can't do a lot of both. It's that they shouldn't have to chase money at all in order to do their damned jobs. Clean elections would give candidates and those in office so much free time that they could actually legislate.

The system that forces Dems to email me fifty times a day adking me for money also guarantees that only someone, or some organization, with much more money will hold their attention.

The system sucks, and makes our Dems look sucky when they do whT they have to do to compete.

[ffr]

116. Volunteering & voted in 2014. NO QUIT HERE!

No
More
Republicans

And we're telling prospective democratic voters their vote has 6x the weight as it did in the last election (currently 627% in NV).