Homeland Security raids lingerie shop for panties that violate MLB copyright

[davidn3600]

A lingerie shop owner in Kansas City says her store was raided by Homeland Security agents Monday morning over a few dozen pair of panties she made in honor of her hometown baseball team.

Peregrine Honig, owner of Honig’s Birdies Panties shop in Crossroads, said she designed the Lucky Royals boyshorts that were set to go on sale Tuesday.

That is until federal agents showed up at her door and demanded she surrender the illegal undergarments.

“They came in and there were two guys” Ms. Honig told the Kansas City Star. “I asked one of them what size he needed and he showed me a badge and took me outside. They told me they were from Homeland Security and we were violating copyright laws.”

The panties, printed in Kansas City by Lindquist Press, read, “Take the Crown,” with “KC” across the bottom, the newspaper reported.

Officers reportedly explained that by connecting the “K” and the “C,” she infringed on major league baseball copyright. The panties were confiscated and Ms. Honig said she signed a statement saying she wouldn’t use the logo, the Star reported.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/22/homeland-security-raids-kansas-city-boutique-over-/


Would someone explain to me why the fuck Homeland Security is raiding lingerie shops to enforce MLB copyrights?

Sounds like we have ourselves a government agency that has way too much time on their hands.

[NaturalHigh]

1. I'm glad all the terrorists and serial killers are locked up.

Oh wait...

[eShirl]

2. because terrorism?

or fascism, one or the other...

[Blue Owl]

3. Send in the G-men

As in G-string men...

[KansDem]

4. "As in G-string men"

Let me buy you a beer!

[Blue Owl]

5. Sounds good I'll get the next round!

[pinboy3niner]

50. After conducting the operation were the agents...debriefed?

[KansDem]

64. Round 3!!!

[Blue Owl]

70. Round 3? This is starting to sound like a boxer match...

[KansDem]

72. "This is starting to sound like a boxer match..."

Well, you can have g-strings...


...and you can have boxers!


My turn!

[pinboy3niner]

74. I'm tempted to take commando the situation...

...in honor of MFM. But I'll refrain from being so indelicates.

[Blue Owl]

93. Hey it's a freeball country...

Out there and lovin every minute of it!

[pinboy3niner]

95. Easy for you to say...until the Underwear Inspector comes

[Jackpine Radical]

127. I have no idea

why I'm hanging out on this thread.

Just jockeying for position, I guess. Don't want to let down all my supporters. They get their undies in a bundle when that happens.

[pinboy3niner]

129. If some supporters are so quick to throw you underall the bus, you should give them...

...wedgies. Call it poetic justice...

[Ikonoklast]

96. Don't be shy!

Swing for the fences!

[pinboy3niner]

97. You're not fooling anybody

We all know what you really mean is schlong for the fences. MFM would be proud.

[hifiguy]

87. DUzy!

[tblue37]

41. Or g-spot? nt

[Generic Other]

66. Woot!

Undie sniffing pervs is what they sound like to me! Must be a slow crime day in Kansas City! If I was that woman, I'd sell panties with shit stains over the HS logo.

[pinboy3niner]

67. Next the NSA and the FBI will be coming for your BVDs!

This is a BFD!

[Ampersand Unicode]

134. I read that as DVDs

Didn't know you could pirate Underware.

[pinboy3niner]

135. The underwear pirates are the WORST

They make you walk the Spanks!

[Ampersand Unicode]

137. Irony...

What if it was a different team in the Series, and the pirated underwear had a Pirates logo on it?



Wiki has a resizable SVG. Works for any size waist.

[Blue Owl]

94. Woot of the Loom

n/t

[Nye Bevan]

6. Sorry, we need to put tracking down the Jihadists on the back-burner for now

while we make sure the streets are cleared of MLB copyright-infringing boyshorts.

[Aerows]

16. That could be the end of our civilization. n/t

[pinboy3niner]

53. Increasing the U.S Strategic Panty Reserve is important too, you know! nt

[Brigid]

7. Trademark infringement is a matter for Homeland Security?

This country really is FUBAR.

[Barack_America]

8. Because taking money from big businesses is terrorism.

[BrotherIvan]

11. ^Winner^

This will be the new world order.

[Aerows]

17. +1 to the 128th power. n/t

[truebrit71]

9. Um, what?

Since when did trademark infringement become the purview of Homeland Security???

[Recursion]

35. Since all of Commerce's enforcement divisions went to DHS

So, since the department was formed.

[NanceGreggs]

52. Please do not ruin a perfectly good ...

... thread by introducing facts into the equation.

Please keep in mind that you are posting on a site comprised of better-informed-than-the-average-citizen posters.

In a related news story, the inmates have taken over the asylum.

[Ikonoklast]

98. "Excuse me Ma'am. I'm from Homeland Security."

"If it's not too much of a bother, may I please see your, uh...well, uh...you know. It's a matter of national security."

[pinboy3niner]

54. Much of the work of many agencies consolidated under DHS is not related to national security

But now that they have the Homeland Security label, it's natural to roll one's eyes at reports of some of their activities. And even understanding that, it can be fun to just roll with it and treat it wih humor.

The monkeys still control the cabana.

[truebrit71]

59. So this is all part of W bush's "smaller" govt. then?

[Recursion]

61. Well, actually, DHS was our idea and W opposed it

There's no point avoiding that unfortunate fact.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

60. Accepting your statement without dispute, it still doesn't lessen the stupidity of what we're seeing

Whether raiding the store under the auspices of DHS or moving the division to DHS in the first place a bad decision that corrupts the presumed purpose of DHS was made.

[Recursion]

62. They weren't "raiding". They didn't have guns. They were enforcing a civil injunction (nt)

[Nuclear Unicorn]

76. Accepted without argument. However having DHS enforce copyright infringements, no matter how

polite they were, is akin to Social Security enforcing trademark infringement. We separate powers and agencies for a reason. We have a right as the owners of the government to know how our money is being spent and what is being done in our name. Allowing the government to exercise power outside of its stated purpose is an invitation to the abuse of power.

[Recursion]

77. If your argument is that Commerce's enforcement unit should not be in DHS, I've been there for

a decade now.

There's no reason to have every single miscellaneous Federal enforcement division in that department, but it's where we are.

Anyways, happy Diwali!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

86. I knew we agreed. nt

[jberryhill]

101. Customs has always done trademark enforcement

They have a list of stuff to seize at the border.

If this stuff was imported, it stays in their jurisdiction.

A lot of what used to be "trademark enforcement" is now called "anti-counterfeit", because it sounds sexier.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

105. I was only making an analogy.

[tularetom]

78. The true purpose of DHS was to cripple federal employee unions

by removing as many employees as possible from civil service protection. If you accept that premise, the stupidity of confiscation of frilly underthings by federal agents becomes sort of moot.

[customerserviceguy]

10. Batters up! n/t

[niyad]

12. well, this report is from the washington times. . . if those cretins really were from homeland

security, that superagency clearly has wayyyyyy too much time on its hands, or it is hiring a lot of sleazy pervs (or both)

okay, I take it back--here is the rest of the story--and it gets worse:

http://www.kshb.com/sports/baseball/royals/small-business-owner-describes-homeland-security-raid-after-printing-underwear-with-royals-image

[Recursion]

33. No, DHS just got all the "miscellaneous" enforcement units from other departments

Every department used to have enforcement divisions that did law enforcement; most of them lost those units to DHS when it formed.

[gollygee]

13. I guess the good news

is that there must not be much of a terrorism threat right now if they have time for this.

[Recursion]

32. This is presumably the Intellectual Property Unit, which was out of Commerce

And all of Commerce's enforcement got rolled into DHS. They never had an antiterrorism brief to begin with.

[daredtowork]

14. What a colossal waste of taxpayer money

Why isn't rich-as-sin Big Sports paying to enforce their own darned copyright? Isn't that how it works for the little guy? If your rights are infringed, you have to get your own lawyer to defend them, no matter how poor you are!


When I think of the ways that money could be deployed to actually help people, it makes me want to personally go to Washington and demand that everyone involved with Homeland Security be fired and that department razed to the ground. Let's pour the money into a Homelessness Tsar instead!!!

[Ampersand Unicode]

139. Or how about they pick their battles and let people print their own shit

They have enough money already from overpriced tickets. They don't need to hoard more from merch. I don't see how their bottom line is going to be hurt if I put a Red Sox logo on my Jockeys. And they can kiss my Jockeys if they think I'm going to let them waist tax dollars on "copyright" bullshit.

Tom Brady is married to a Victoria's Secret model. That in and of itself should make it legal to put Pat the Patriot on a VS thong. Or Flying Elvis, for that matter.

[wilsonbooks]

15. I smell a rat.

This story is just too unbelievable.


publicity stunt?

[Initech]

18. So... Is it a police state yet?

[Recursion]

31. Enforcement of trademark and copyright makes the US a police state?

Who knew?

[Initech]

42. Enforcement of trademark and copyright laws with guns and Homeland Security makes it a police state.

Missed that little detail there.

[Recursion]

44. The imaginary guns you imagined?

The woman even commented on how polite the agents were.

What is it about the trademark enforcement division moving from Department of Commerce to Department of Homeland Security that crosses the police state line for you?

[Ampersand Unicode]

143. The way they do it, yes

When the Constitution was written, copyright lasted 20 years with only one renewable term of, I believe, 5. So 25 years was the max time you could even have a copyright before it became part of the public domain. Now the term is 76 years plus the life of the author, 120 years and infinitely renewable for "works for hire" (corporate-owned stuff like movies, logos, software titles, you name it). About the only things that fits the 76-years-plus-life term are books, which are usually written by one person who is then the "rights holder" (or his estate). So for example, Catcher in the Rye won't be in public domain until 2086 -- 76 years after J.D. Salinger's death in 2010. And even still, his estate could decide to renew the term ad infinitum.

The founders' idea was that too much hoarding of "intellectual property" (as it's now called) created concentrated wealth and monopoly, and deprived the people of opportunities to create "useful Arts" (their words, not mine) based on the original work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause

Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress:

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.

The copyright profiteers succeeded in finding a loophole to the "limited times" phrasing, in 2003's Eldred v. Ashcroft decision. Because 76 (or 120 years) itself is a "limited time," repeated and unlimited extensions of copyright terms are not (at least according to the SCOTUS) anathema to the idea of the term being "limited." It may be longer than most human lifetimes, but it is not literally "infinite" as in stated verbatim to be "forever."

The copyright lobby also has well-paid thugs enforcing laws against the victimless crime of "trademark infringement" or "copyright infringement" as though it were out-and-out armed robbery. They are nothing more than a corrupt cabal making scads of money off of cave drawings and terrorizing people who in no way pose any real threat to their bottom line. They just like to make off as though they do. And they must be stopped.

[FiveGoodMen]

79. Yes. Absolutely.

This is incredibly fucked up.

This is not impending fascism.

This is fascism right now.

[Maraya1969]

19. Perhaps if she said to them as they left, "I hope you enjoy them" that might explain something.

[Brigid]

20. Now here's our thread winner!

[Quackers]

21. A government sanctioned panty raid?

[Brigid]

23. Um, would you accept honorable mention?

Stiff competition in this thread.

[raven mad]

109. That was my first thought, Quackers............

[KentuckyWoman]

22. Panty raid

most grow out of that nonsense before the finish college.

Homeland Security...... sniffin out the panties here so we don't have to sniff um out over there.

or something

[lindysalsagal]

128. It's at the top of someone's resume.

I'm sure Obama's gonna love this.

[MisterP]

24. Rubik's Cubes, too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2556349
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x939685
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x564117
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2557081

"there's a restaurant on the Westside that's only hiring large-breasted women"

[CaptainTruth]

25. Geez these people, you CANNOT copyright a logo, word, or phrase.

Logos, words, & phrases can only be trademarked. Copyrights are for longer works like books or songs etc. They did not violate a copyright, they violated a trademark.

Sorry ... this is a pet peeve of mine. I've worked with intellectual property attorneys, handled corporate trademark licensing & publication copyrights, & I own trademarks & copyrights myself.

If they had told me I was infringing an MLB copyright, I would have been tempted to tell them to take it to court, with the specific charge of copyright infringement. Any judge would throw it out because US & international IP law does not allow a copyright on the KC logo. Copyright on a logo does not exist, & you cannot infringe on something that doesn't exist.

Now ... trademark infringement ... that's a different matter.

[WhiteAndNerdy]

27. That bugs me, too. nt

[frazzled]

37. I doubt the panty lady quoted knew what she was talking about

Or that the Washington Times bothered to fact check this at all. It was trademark infringement. The problem was with a panty lady's account to a know-nothing reporter, not the actual facts of the case.

Blame it on cheap journalism. Or blame it on the Bossa Nova. But if this indeed happened, I wouldn't particularly blame the "copyright" misnomer on the poor Homeland Security guys sent to pick up the panties.

[B Calm]

57. I wonder how many tax dollars it cost the residents of KC to build their damn stadium.

[jberryhill]

102. Bad reporting

As a patent attorney, I'm pretty used to people mixing up these things.

[pinboy3niner]

106. Oh, don't get your panties in a bunch

You could be next.

[jberryhill]

108. Not worried - I only go on panty raids commando-style

[pinboy3niner]

110. Your closet would keep DHS busy processing evidence for YEARS

Blowing up all the dolls alone would reallly keep them busy.

[jberryhill]

111. In Russia, Doll Blow You!

[pinboy3niner]

117. That could explain why they sell so many there. :) nt

[Man from Pickens]

26. It couldn't be much more explicit!

The government works for the corporations and YOU are the enemy.

That is the only possible rationale that can involve "Homeland Security" over a few dozen pairs of panties.

"Security" is the economic security of corporations - full stop.

[WhiteAndNerdy]

28. This department clearly does not need to exist.

If they can't keep "Homeland Security agents" busy actually protecting national security, it's time to downsize or eliminate the department altogether.

[TygrBright]

29. Consider the source.

Wait until some media outlet more reliable than Reverend Moon's private press picks this one up, to have an outrage party.

patiently,
Bright

[Recursion]

30. Because something like 9/10ths of Federal Law Enforcement got shuffled into Homeland Security

So just about any Federal enforcement action can be attributed to DHS. The department is a CF, but at this point ripping everything back out to its original home might be even more disruptive.

Enforcing copyright is definitely a Federal responsibility. It's probably stupid for that division to be in DHS, but that's where we are now.

[alp227]

34. Non right wing link (Washington Times = conservative)

http://www.kansascity.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/jenee-osterheldt/article3211088.html

[sabrina 1]

36. More proof that all these multi billion dollar 'govt' agencies, the NSA, Homeland Security

are working for Corporate America. I am convinced that all the NSA spying on everyone's phones and emails etc is for Corporate Marketing purposes, nothing at all to do with 'terror'. Imagine getting all that free market research, information about people to help figure out what they are likely to buy etc.

I wonder would Homeland Security do this for the average person?

[noiretextatique]

38. way too much time

i was watching "cops" as long as i could stand tonight, and every bust was fro drugs. what a complete waste...just like this idiotic episode.

[NBachers]

39. Did they fly HomSec Team Crotchrot from Andrews aboard C-130's & airdrop 'em behind enemy lines?

[pinboy3niner]

40. It was an undergarment operation

Very professional, too...

[Blue Owl]

71. The crimes were Hane-eous and unmentionable

[pinboy3niner]

119. :)

[Initech]

43. Step 1 - collect underpants. Step 2 - ????. Step 3 - Profit!!

[3catwoman3]

45. So, Honey, what did you do...

..at work today?

[pinboy3niner]

46. Oh, you know. Same old thong and dance. nt

[3catwoman3]

47. DU...

...ZY!

That was brilliant!

[pinboy3niner]

51. We all have our *brief* flashes of brilliance. :)

Last edited Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:31 AM - Edit history (1)

Thankyou.

[LeftInTX]

48. Sounds like something Bush would personally get involved with

I can picture him at his podium saying, "I've instructed the Department of Homeland Security to take action on any major league copyright issues and I'm increasing the terror threat up to orange"!

[pinboy3niner]

49. "I encourage you all to go shopping for panties more...

And I have instructed the Department of Homeland Security to increase our nation's Strategic Panty Reserve."

[Feral Child]

55. Civil matter.

Law enforcement should not be involved.

[jberryhill]

104. Incorrect - 18 U.S. Code § 2320 - Trafficking in counterfeit goods or services

(a) Offenses.— Whoever intentionally—

(1) traffics in goods or services and knowingly uses a counterfeit mark on or in connection with such goods or services,

(2) traffics in labels, patches, stickers, wrappers, badges, emblems, medallions, charms, boxes, containers, cans, cases, hangtags, documentation, or packaging of any type or nature, knowing that a counterfeit mark has been applied thereto, the use of which is likely to cause confusion, to cause mistake, or to deceive,

(3) traffics in goods or services knowing that such good or service is a counterfeit military good or service the use, malfunction, or failure of which is likely to cause serious bodily injury or death, the disclosure of classified information, impairment of combat operations, or other significant harm to a combat operation, a member of the Armed Forces, or to national security, or

(4) traffics in a counterfeit drug,

or attempts or conspires to violate any of paragraphs (1) through (4) shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).

(b) Penalties.—

(1) In general.— Whoever commits an offense under subsection (a)—

(A) if an individual, shall be fined not more than $2,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both, and, if a person other than an individual, shall be fined not more than $5,000,000; and

(B) for a second or subsequent offense under subsection (a), if an individual, shall be fined not more than $5,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both, and if other than an individual, shall be fined not more than $15,000,000.

[pinboy3niner]

112. "Picky, picky, picky"

[Feral Child]

113. I stand corrected.

Thanks for your research.

[jberryhill]

114. Please, have a seat, it's more comfortable

No need to stand.

[Feral Child]

115. Ha!

My mistake, trying to act all humble in a jberryhill subthread.

(sits down in a huff)

[pinboy3niner]

116. You are far too modest

Your legal expertse and acumen are highly valued here. Now if you would only get a sense of humor...

[Enthusiast]

56. Just wait until the TPP is signed.

[truebrit71]

75. Right?

It boggles the mind....

[pinboy3niner]

58. That finally explains how some Royals fans got on the No Fly List

They didn't have DHS-approved panties.

[dembotoz]

63. undies in a bundle.......

[HereSince1628]

65. HSD or whatever... the response was pretty freaking fast...

How long has it been known that the Royals would be in the world series?

It's almost like they swooped into KC and started looking for contraband.

Last time I was there, counterfeit handbags were being sold out in the open in NYC. I know they choke contraband cigarette sellers to death....

But I have to say, it seems SOMEONE was anticipating sale of non-MLB approved world series memorabilia.

I wish HSD could get FEMA to be so prepared for coming events.

[Rex]

68. The DHS has to pretend they are needed, so they do shit like this.

In order to justify a paycheck.

[MineralMan]

69. Here's the DHS Page on Intellectual Property Enforcement

http://www.dhs.gov/topic/intellectual-property-rights

I'm just posting this for information, not to approve of this function of the DHS.

[2banon]

73. My initial thoughts: They couldn't possibly be agents from Homeland Security (!!!!)

I'm thinking, must be faked badges. must be a competing business at play. no way is this a homeland security jurisdiction activity. please say it ain't so.

[Recursion]

80. Why not?

Seriously.

The majority of Federal enforcement divisions wound up there. Why would it be surprising that USPTO's did?

[pinboy3niner]

81. Why not, indeed

A lot of those agencies lumped together under DHS still have many non-national security statury responsibilities that pre-existed creation of that department. Just because they are now under DHS does not mean that all of their functions and activities involve matters of homeland security.

[Recursion]

82. If you want me to say that DHS is a Frankenstein monster, I'm there

It's an absolute CF with too many divisions reporting to too few managers. It was a bad idea and we should work towards getting things back in their appropriate departments (eg, trademarks should go back to Commerce).

But the fact that a unit enforced an injunction is not a sign of a police state.

[pinboy3niner]

83. I'm with you 100%

[Jenoch]

84. This is a non-story.

I know some guys who made some Super Bowl t-shirts without permission from the NFL and tried to sell at the Super Bowl. They were busted, shirts confiscated, cease and desist order, and if they did it again they would be fined. This was before DHS but they were some form of federal LEO.

[jtuck004]

132. It is a non-story. If terrorists had blown up a school while these folks were saving us from deadly

trademark infringement, it would not be a non-story.

On the other hand, they have probably made terrorists think twice before wearing non-authentic underwear under their street clothes, so there is some good that came from it. Truly, that could be the undoing of capitalism, which is why we are here, correct?

[Jenoch]

141. You seem to be confused.

Read recursion's posts on this thread and your confusion will be gone.

[jtuck004]

142. Not confused at all, thanks. <G> n/t

[Jenoch]

144. Terrorists have nothing to do with this

case of trademark infringement or this thread.

[Ampersand Unicode]

136. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to make DIY logo shirts?

These companies have enough money as it is already. We have the technology, as they used to say in (I believe) Six Million Dollar Man. It's not like they're passing it off as the real thing; it's clearly a knockoff and labeled as such.

What's the big deal if some poor kid wants a Royals shirt but can't afford a "licensed" $100 one? Who's really getting hurt if I print out a Royals logo from Wikipedia and screen print it onto a $2 Hanes T-shirt, then sell it for $5 bucks? That's about the same salary they're paying to the Chinese kids who make this stuff anyway, so why the fuck should it cost $100 if not for all this lawyer bullshit?

A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it certainly isn't worth a million bucks. Nobody bleeds if I go to Google, find a good-sized digital image of a Warhol or a Picasso, print it out on HP photo paper and put it in a frame for my living room. It's a replica and not the "real thing"; it's not like I forged the Mona Lisa or anything. I just printed it out from Google. Nobody gets hurt if I print out Mickey Mouse and screen print the graphic onto a shirt or a pillowcase. Nobody catches Ebola if I put a "licensed character" on a sheet cake for some kid's birthday party. And so what if I sell it for a few bucks, it's not like anyone's dying of cancer here. Just a bunch of whiny greed-mongers protecting their bottom line.

Personally I think anti-counterfeit and anti-piracy laws are bullshit and should be dumped like yesterday's old fish. It's not the same as "counterfeiting" say, medication and people dying from buying a cheap knockoff that has who-knows-what in it. It's a fucking logo, and if I want to put it on whatever either for myself or to make a few easy bucks off of it, what's the BFD?

Fuck the MAFIAA and their hired guns.

[Jenoch]

140. Pirated DVDs, fake Gucci bags and shoes,

and the use of tradmarks without a license are all thefts. What about FAKE PRESCRIPTION DRUGS that are poison. Are you ok with that too?

[Ampersand Unicode]

145. Did you not read the post? I said no fake drugs

I don't care about pirated DVDs or fake Gucci bags, though. Hollywood and the fashion labels have enough money as it is. Why shouldn't someone be allowed to make a knock-off and sell it for less, or give it away as is done with digital stuff on Pirate Bay? What's wrong with printing out Mickey Mouse and screen printing it on a T-shirt? Walt is already dead -- er, Frozen...

Does Gates have a heart attack if someone downloads a patched Windows 7? M$ products never used the activation bullshit before XP and Office 2003. You could install as many copies as you wanted with the same serial number. Nobody was starving because of this arrangement. M$ just decided that they weren't making enough money and found a way to fatten their wallets even more. And for what, so that Steve Ballmer can go and buy a basketball team?

Once upon a time, Adobe didn't require activation of Photoshop either, not until the "Creative Suite" versions came out. Guess what: Adobe still got rich even though people were sharing Photoshop install CDs and serial numbers. Heck, I use a copy of Photoshop 8.0 and find it runs much smoother and faster than the bloated CS5. Only requirement is the serial number. No phone-home crap.

Netflix doesn't care if you give someone else your password either. Brad Pitt won't all of a sudden become homeless if someone puts a DVD-rip of World War Z on MegaUpload or burns DVD copies of it to share with friends. It's all about exorbitant profit for studios and A-listers and fighting a losing battle against technological realities. Nobody wants to spend $15 for a movie ticket when they can watch the same thing at home. Nobody wants to spend $250 for a fucking operating system or $2500 to edit Grandma's photos either.

[Jenoch]

146. Yeah, your rambling post was long enough

ao that I did not read the entire post. I happen to believe that laws are there for a reason. I have made it a practice to avoid breaking the law. I actually buy my software and have not pirated any DVDs. I will confess to downloading a few 1960s TV themes about ten years ago.

[geek tragedy]

85. Source: Moonie Times. nt

[pinboy3niner]

88. It was first reported by local KC paper, then picked up by other media

The OP should have used a different link.

[Blue Owl]

91. Bwah!

[pinboy3niner]

89. I hereby pronounce this thread Recworthy

[Mister Nightowl]

90. KC isn't exactly a hotbed of intrigue

Last year, a guy who lives on my street was briefly detained by local FBI agents on suspicion of re-using postage stamps.

[Ampersand Unicode]

138. I wonder if he also has pending charges on removing mattress tags.

Seriously though, this is fucked up bullshit. Your tax dollars at work, people.

[Blue Owl]

92. Government waistband

The looser the waistband, the deeper the quicksand...

[pinboy3niner]

99. Next, DHS will arrest you for still wearing your 'Tuesday' panties on Thursday

[Savannahmann]

100. Lots of funny replies and all warranted.

Yet one thing bothers me. No one in the office held up his hand and asked if the federal government should be conducting a panty raid.

[pinboy3niner]

103. Are you nuts? How else are we going to stop all the panty bombers?

[Sunlei]

107. Our Gov. at the beck and call of big billionare sports 'non-profits'

vs local small business.

[pinboy3niner]

118. What if my panties have the © symbol on them?

Oh wait...just forget I said that, okay?

[Rex]

120. ...

[pinboy3niner]

121. And we thought the Phone Cops were bad!

[Wella]

122. Because if we don't fight copyright infringement over here, we'll have to fight it over there.

Or something like that.

[pinboy3niner]

123. Droning panties is a little extreme, don't you think?

I can see droning tidy whities, but panties? That's over the top, man.

[AnnieBW]

124. DHS Does a Panty Raid

We've got 99 problems in this country, and panties ain't one.

[jtuck004]

125. ISIS funded with counterfeit panties, HS shields us from danger? No leaks? n/t

[pinboy3niner]

126. Depends

[jtuck004]

131. +100 <G> n/t

[BuelahWitch]

130. Our tax dollars paying for this! Disgusting! n/t

[treestar]

133. Not sure I believe the story

Sounds like a good way to get 15 minutes of fame and sales.

if it happened, DHS is a large agency that includes many sub-agencies. If there is a criminal copyright law, some agency in its umbrella might be the one charged with enforcing it.