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Arger68

(679 posts)
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 09:36 PM Oct 2014

Doctor Assaulted by Police at Dying Son’s Birthday, Tasered so Many Times He Had a Heart Attack

Dr. Randal Cox was hosting his terminally ill son’s 18th birthday when six police officers from two different precincts showed up to his door.

When Dr. Cox opened the door he was attacked by the officers. The incident was captured on cellphone video from one of the guests at the party.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/doctor-assaulted-police-dying-sons-birthday-tasered-times-heart-attack/#KPXi54WMZ5pxJPb5.99


Betcha can't guess what color the doctor is...

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Doctor Assaulted by Police at Dying Son’s Birthday, Tasered so Many Times He Had a Heart Attack (Original Post) Arger68 Oct 2014 OP
look at two paragraphs from the story NJCher Oct 2014 #1
Yes, something must be done at the city and county level BrotherIvan Oct 2014 #7
Well, the cops do, why not the chiefs covering their asses? TransitJohn Oct 2014 #39
wow, that was an interesting link NJCher Oct 2014 #41
Lemme guess. He couldn't get into a KKK meeting without a hood on. valerief Oct 2014 #2
I hope the lying ex-girlfriend is madville Oct 2014 #3
Yes. She needs to go to jail. mainer Oct 2014 #8
yep Liberal_in_LA Oct 2014 #20
his name is William Cox TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #4
Thank you, that's a better article about it. n/t Arger68 Oct 2014 #5
The OP isn't really a news article, just a blog. Bonx Oct 2014 #43
Wow that's one hell of a lawsuit. Rex Oct 2014 #16
It should say ... aggiesal Oct 2014 #27
how would they know that? TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #33
"None of this would have happened at all had he not resisted arrest." TransitJohn Oct 2014 #40
The eternal bullshit explanaion/justification. hifiguy Oct 2014 #42
We are supposed to be a nation of laws. truedelphi Oct 2014 #44
Crazy damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #6
This man violated a restraining order by his ex-girlfriend gerogie2 Oct 2014 #9
Based on false information from his ex-girlfriend, who had told police that Cox had violated... noiretextatique Oct 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author gerogie2 Oct 2014 #17
There is nothing in the story that indicates avebury Oct 2014 #13
The bottom line is... gerogie2 Oct 2014 #19
And the people have the right to expect the police avebury Oct 2014 #34
No - read the entire article csziggy Oct 2014 #14
So the officers had a bad arrest warrant? ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #22
Apparently they did no investigation at all csziggy Oct 2014 #26
Exactly, just what I am wondering. nt avebury Oct 2014 #35
the article couldn't even get his name right TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 #25
boy this gets frustrating strawberries Oct 2014 #15
your point being? rufus dog Oct 2014 #23
Cops will beat you to death Man from Pickens Oct 2014 #24
I've been arrested twice... gerogie2 Oct 2014 #30
(Looks around.) graegoyle Oct 2014 #31
In the summer, how long does it take you to tan? Mister Nightowl Oct 2014 #32
I've been pulled over a couple times by cops NickB79 Oct 2014 #38
Apparently his ex girlfriend is a liar. She should be charged with a crime. Cops should sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #28
Forget the girlfriend, its the cops who need to be sued. ncjustice80 Oct 2014 #36
That is a jury that I would love to serve on. avebury Oct 2014 #11
I would think you could hand cuff him before tazing him 7 times. Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #12
Unfuckingbelievable onecaliberal Oct 2014 #18
I didn't realize the doctor was Black. That explains it. I hope he files a civil rights law suit sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #29
Blue Ash PD.....Figures KentuckyWoman Oct 2014 #21
Yay cops! 99Forever Oct 2014 #37

NJCher

(35,622 posts)
1. look at two paragraphs from the story
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 09:42 PM
Oct 2014

Do the police have a template where they just fill in the new date? After reading the story, I am astonished that anyone could say this with a straight face:

No officers were found to be at fault for their lack of investigation or their alleged use of excessive force.

“The officers acted appropriately and in an objectively reasonable manner given the active resistance by Cox, and the number, action, and demeanor of the crowd of people who had formed in the close proximity of the arrest,” wrote Police Chief Paul Hartinger in a press release.


What is wrong with these people? We hear this day after day after day, and there is never any accountability.



Cher

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
7. Yes, something must be done at the city and county level
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:36 PM
Oct 2014

These guys are completely out of control and then are never held accountable. It's bad.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
39. Well, the cops do, why not the chiefs covering their asses?
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:32 AM
Oct 2014

Cops are stupid and lazy like most people, and cut and paste to do their work.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_7810362

NJCher

(35,622 posts)
41. wow, that was an interesting link
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:28 AM
Oct 2014

And then when they're caught red-handed ('scuse me, English teacher talking here--this is PLAGIARISM), this is how the system excuses them:

Deputy district attorney Kate Wharton, the prosecuting attorney in the hit-and-run case, said the officer will not be charged, calling it a "typo."

I can understand the use of a template on some standard procedures, such as the searches, but what these officers are doing is just what you and the article said: lazy.

Knowledge of this would most likely yield some nice stuff on discovery. In the article, cases had to be thrown out because of this copy and pasting on reports. Any defense attorney would salivate at the prospect.


Cher

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
4. his name is William Cox
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 09:52 PM
Oct 2014

Randall is apparently his middle name.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/montgomery/montgomery-doctor-william-randall-cox-sues-blue-ash-evendale-officers
MONTGOMERY, Ohio -- A Montgomery doctor is suing officers of the Blue Ash and Evendale police departments, saying they violated the Fourth Amendment by using excessive force during an arrest in December 2012.

The federal lawsuit alleges that on Dec. 2 of that year, William Cox was hosting a birthday party for his terminally ill son. During the party, which several of Cox's friends attended, Blue Ash and Evendale police officers showed up at his home, located in the 3600 block of Vineyard Ridge. The officers were there to arrested Cox after an ex-girlfriend, Gretchen Myers, said he violated a restraining order.

In internal investigation records released by the Blue Ash police department, the officers asked Cox to come outside, onto the front porch, where Cox resisted arrested and a crow of people formed around them.

(snip)

The conclusion of the internal investigation conducted by Blue Ash police though said the officers on scene "acted appropriately and in an objectively appropriate manner."

In the findings, dated June 6, 2013, Blue Ash Police Chief Paul Hartinger went on to state, "I further find the officers used only that force necessary to take Dr. Cox into custody, and the use of force was discontinued when Dr. Cox was securely in custody."

(snip)

aggiesal

(8,907 posts)
27. It should say ...
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:23 AM
Oct 2014

"... and the use of force was discontinued when [Font color=Red]we realized[/font] Dr. Cox was [Font color=Red]experiencing a heart attack[/font]."

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
33. how would they know that?
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 03:48 AM
Oct 2014

You can't know just by looking at someone that they're having a heart attack. Most people don't even know it themselves. My mom had a heart attack and had no idea. She thought she had a pinched nerve. And she was a nurse. Years earlier my dad thought he was having a heart attack and was about to die and insanely drove himself to the ER. Turned out he had severe indigestion.

We don't even know at what time this heart attack occurred or if tasering was responsible. He suffered from panic attacks - I get them, too - that can cause the heart to pound like crazy and even miss beats. Might that have contributed to it? Without actual medical evidence we don't know what caused his heart attack. For all we know he was a heart attack waiting to happen anyway. People get tasered multiple times without having a heart attack. One of the reasons I don't particularly like the use of tasers at all is because police can't know if someone has underlying health issues where being tasered may be high risk for them. And some people can be tasered repeatedly and it does nothing. The odds are still a whole lot better though than a billy club.

None of this would have happened at all had he not resisted arrest. Police don't go around arresting people by throwing them on the ground, jumping on them and tasering them repeatedly for no reason. They just want to get the job done as easily as possible and be on their way. When they say you're under arrest you put your hands behind your back, shut your mouth, allow yourself to be cuffed and walked to and get in the police car. Doesn't matter if it turns out to be something you shouldn't have been arrested for. That's for court. The police aren't going to care about your complaints that you shouldn't be arrested because XYZ. They get the warrant and go do the arrest. Its for courts to decide whether or not there was good reason to arrest you, and the police have no power to play judge at the scene nor do they want to be bothered with that. Yet people do it all the time as if they're actually going to say, "Oh, sorry, this arrest warrant must be wrong then now that you say you didn't do anything." They're there to make the arrest, not to hear all about how you shouldn't be arrested.

They went to arrest the guy because of a complaint from his ex who he was legally supposed to staying away from. I'd far rather police take domestic issues more seriously when those kinds of complaints are made. Sorry, but I'm of the belief that if someone has a restraining order against you there's a damn good reason for it.

I'm certainly not going to be so stupid as to hear about bits from a lawsuit and automatically believe it. I spent way too many years having to read them cover to cover including exhibits and already knowing the complaints are largely full of crap and having to write responses. Had to write too many of them, too, with attorneys adding in all kinds of nonsense just to make it look better or in case they came up with something off the top of their heads that couldn't be proven one way or another but sounded good.

And I'm definitely not going to pay any attention to a blog with an agenda as a "news" source and when they can't even get the name of they guy they're writing about right.

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
40. "None of this would have happened at all had he not resisted arrest."
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:34 AM
Oct 2014

None of this would have happened at all had the cops done their fucking job and performed a rudimentary investigation before being macho authoritarian pigs.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
42. The eternal bullshit explanaion/justification.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 11:36 AM
Oct 2014

And these days asking a pig what is going on constitutes "resisting arrest."

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
44. We are supposed to be a nation of laws.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:40 PM
Oct 2014

I have no idea if this man acted violently to either the ex girlfirend who said he did, or to the police. In this day and age, if you are having convulsions due to the collapse of your heart, the police are likely to see that as being a case of yr "resisting arrest."

We need to start hassling all the state legislators and all the members of Congress to make it a damn felony to kill a citizen who is unarmed, and yet killed by tasering and "resisting arrest."
The principle of innocent until proven guilty loses a lot of its meaning if you can be killed just because the police do not like the look on your face, t he color of your skin, or your past priors.

 

gerogie2

(450 posts)
9. This man violated a restraining order by his ex-girlfriend
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:48 PM
Oct 2014

If the police have a warrant for your arrest cooperate, go to jail, bond out then do your fighting in court. This isn't the first time this man has acted violently either.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
10. Based on false information from his ex-girlfriend, who had told police that Cox had violated...
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:52 PM
Oct 2014

apparently she is a liar.

Response to noiretextatique (Reply #10)

avebury

(10,951 posts)
13. There is nothing in the story that indicates
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:14 PM
Oct 2014

that he reacted violently when the police arrive. I just don't believe that cops will file accurate reports when you have an excessive force situation. There have been too many blatant examples of excessive forces that go unpunished.

Based upon what turned out to be solid evidence that the ex-girlfriend filed a false police report, I would be willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt until such time as independent evidence comes out as to exactly what his historic behavior was (and I am a woman). A lot of times when a relationship goes south there can be a lot of crap from both sides. Given that she filed the false report when she had to have known that the son was dieing smacks of pure malice and vindictiveness on her part. Given the son's medical condition, there is a good chance that his attention was focused a lot more on the son then the her.

 

gerogie2

(450 posts)
19. The bottom line is...
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:27 PM
Oct 2014

if the police have an arrest warrant for you then you must allow yourself to be arrested. You can then argue the facts of the case in court.

avebury

(10,951 posts)
34. And the people have the right to expect the police
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 04:30 AM
Oct 2014

to actually do due diligence in their investigation. Had the bothered to go to the site of the alleged harassment incident and reviewed the video tapes they would have immediately known that the guy was not even there so no violation of the VPO had occurred. That should have triggered them to step back and think before they acted. Instead, the fell upon this guy like a pack of rabid dogs and he is lucky that they did not kill him. Since they injured him sufficiently to trigger a heart attack and kidney failure there is no doubt that excessive force was used. I am tired of PDs providing coverage for people who have no business being cops. We live in what is supposed to be a civilized country in the 21st Century, not the middle ages. Too many cops have become a direct threat to the citizens of this country and the remainder of them (and their leadership) refuse to grow a pair and do what it takes to protect and serve the citizens, even when it means arresting their own and get them off of the streets.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
14. No - read the entire article
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:16 PM
Oct 2014
Based on false information from his ex-girlfriend, who had told police that Cox had violated her protection order, police showed up and wreaked havoc.

Cox’s ex-girlfriend said he harassed her at a gas station.

However, according to WLWT, eventually the case went to court. Defense attorneys found security video at the gas station showing the woman, but Cox was not there. In fact, at the time he was seen on security cameras at a cellphone store.

“Because we presented evidence clearly indicating he was not guilty of violating the protection order and not guilty of resisting arrest and because of that evidence the judge dismissed the case with prejudice,” said defense attorney Clyde Bennett.
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/doctor-assaulted-police-dying-sons-birthday-tasered-times-heart-attack/#KPXi54WMZ5pxJPb5.99

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
22. So the officers had a bad arrest warrant?
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:45 PM
Oct 2014

Every one of the bastards should loss their job and be sued into bankruptcy!

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
26. Apparently they did no investigation at all
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:14 AM
Oct 2014

And took the woman's allegations at face value. It makes me wonder if the original order the woman was given to keep him away was based on similar lies.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
25. the article couldn't even get his name right
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:12 AM
Oct 2014

If they can't get something as simple as that right I'm not paying any attention to anything they say. About anything.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
24. Cops will beat you to death
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:08 AM
Oct 2014

while screaming "Stop resisting!" long after you lose consciousness.

I NEVER believe a police report of "resisting arrest" unless there is incontrovertible evidence. If you do, you're a complete naif - at best.

 

Mister Nightowl

(396 posts)
32. In the summer, how long does it take you to tan?
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 02:29 AM
Oct 2014

Hey, who are we kidding? You probably burn lobster red!

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
38. I've been pulled over a couple times by cops
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:43 AM
Oct 2014

And they're nice and polite to me, we smile and they don't look like they're about to pull their guns when I reach for my wallet.

That doesn't mean I dismiss my Puerto-Rican mother-in-law when she tells me about how the cops harass the shit out of her at least once every few months.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
28. Apparently his ex girlfriend is a liar. She should be charged with a crime. Cops should
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:26 AM
Oct 2014

never arrest someone based on a mere accusation. They should be asked to appear in court to answer the accusation. Sending an army of morons to drag people out of their homes based on a mere accusation should NEVER be condoned in ANY democracy. Ever! And if a cop DOES show up at the home of one of those who pay his salary, s/he should be polite, treat that person with respect, as is the case in most civilized nations, and tell the person what the problem is.

We have a BRUTAL police system in this country and I don't give a damn if someone violated an order of protection or not, NO CIVILIZED country conducts their system of justice this way.

I hope the doctor gets millions and he should also sue the lying ex girlfriend.

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
36. Forget the girlfriend, its the cops who need to be sued.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:54 AM
Oct 2014

If a person turns out to bw not guilty or has the charges drop, they need to sue the shit out of the arresting cops. Those assholes need to be living out of a cardboard box when he is done with them!

avebury

(10,951 posts)
11. That is a jury that I would love to serve on.
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 10:58 PM
Oct 2014

I would be - How much money do we want them to pay out to this guy. I would be in favor of bankrupting these idiotic cities and PDs if that is what it takes to ram home the fact that out of control, psycho cops are not acceptable in what is supposed to be s civilized country in the 21st Century.

The ex-girlfriend needs to go to prison for what she did. If he had died, she could have ended up with some type of murder charge. Given what is taking place in this country and how black people are treated just what on earth did she think might happen to him? Most people would realize immediately that he would be lucky just to come out of the situation alive and there would be a high chance of him sustaining serious injury.

onecaliberal

(32,786 posts)
18. Unfuckingbelievable
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:24 PM
Oct 2014

Not guilty of excessive force because cox and his guests were black and scary? Jeezus....

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
29. I didn't realize the doctor was Black. That explains it. I hope he files a civil rights law suit
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 12:29 AM
Oct 2014

he should ask the Feds to look into possible racism also. Whatever it takes to stop these 'legal' thugs from rampaging around this country ignoring the people's rights and displaying their bigotry every chance they get.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
21. Blue Ash PD.....Figures
Wed Oct 22, 2014, 11:34 PM
Oct 2014

Actually I'm surprised the Blue Ash PD didn't go in with tear gas and the swat team. Gotta justify the huge "public safety" budget before the year is out.....

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