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Editor's note: Timothy Stanley is a historian and columnist for Britain's Daily Telegraph. He is the author of the new book "Citizen Hollywood: How the Collaboration Between L.A. and D.C. Revolutionized American Politics." The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.
(CNN) -- Shameless. There's no other word to describe Monica Lewinsky. Sixteen years after her affair with President Bill Clinton became public knowledge, she's returned to the limelight with a campaign against cyberbullying -- of which she claims to have been "patient zero."
Ignore the fact that she was patently not the primary victim in the Zippergate affair (poor Hillary Clinton was) or that any comparison with someone suffering a disease, especially at a time when people are dropping dead from Ebola, is tasteless in the extreme.
What's most depressing is that when she rejoined the public stage, she said she was inspired to speak out by the story of Tyler Clementi, a student who committed suicide after a video of him kissing another boy went up online. Young Clementi was the victim of societal homophobia as well as an invasion of his privacy, and his death makes any comparison with Lewinsky's self-imposed troubles ridiculous. Moreover, Clementi died in 2010. Lewinsky has decided to revisit his cause in 2014, suggesting that the timing may have less to do with him than it does with Hillary Clinton.
And, of course, this will be embarrassing for Hillary Clinton. Lewinsky has joined Twitter, which will allow her to make uncensored remarks in the course of the 2016 campaign. And Lewinsky has also lashed out at the way the White House machine trashed her in its desire to protect Bill Clinton's reputation (as it was paid to do -- she had an affair with the President of the United States, not an anonymous bank manager no one gave a damn about)
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/21/opinion/stanley-monica-lewinsky-shameless/?cid=ob_articlesidebarall&iref=obnetwork
Cha
(297,032 posts)get attention.. not good.
msongs
(67,381 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Hekate
(90,618 posts)...so we wouldn't have to hear it breathlessly retold from the RW shills in 2015-2016.
But yeah, she's in a class by herself alright. I'm sorry for her troubles and all, but there are some mistakes that a person pretty much pays for the rest of their life, and this seems to have been in that category. "Monica ❤️ Bill" was not a love story; it was the story of two people of vastly unequal status using each other.
She was young and dumb. I was once that young, but I was never that dumb. There's a part of me that feels sorry for her...but... I don't want to hear from her again. Once was enough.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Yet another authoritarian reveals their true colors, kicking the powerless while fellating the powerful.
If Clinton had been a Republican president Lewinsky would be universally seen as purely the victim here on DU.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)It's not like Monica was his first dalliance. She signed up for it, she chose to stay so, no, she's hardly the victim. Her political ambitions trump everything in her world.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,295 posts)It calls Hillary the victim of the affair. I think this is its main message about the Clintons: "Does Hillary Clinton not have a right to put this scandal behind her and have a political identity separate from her husband's?"
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Hillary had many opportunities to leave Bill, that she chose to stay with a man known for "Bimbo eruptions" well before he ever rose to national prominence is a matter that some people will justly or not draw their own conclusions about and then use to help them judge her character.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,295 posts)"Clinton is the Golden Boy in that story" would seem, then, to be false.
"Yet another authoritarian reveals their true colors, kicking the powerless while fellating the powerful" seems, from #25, to be aimed at one or more DUers, not the article writer. Or are you saying that a woman is not allowed to forgive her husband? Do you see Hillary as guilty for not leaving Bill?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I had the same reaction to the nurses getting blamed for the Ebola brouhaha in Dallas and had several OPs about that.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)What's not to love!?!? (sarcasm). Fooled her (HRC) once, shame on him; fooled her over and over and over again for decades? Shame on her! I fully empathize with giving someone a second chance - but not 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I can even understand and empathize with wives who stay with a serial adulterer because they lack the self-confidence, education, resources, and or ability to support themselves post divorce, or whose children would face a significant reduction in quality of life if adulterous daddy is kicked out. That was not the case with HRC. With a law degree from Yale? Gimme a break! When Bill was Governor of Arkansas and she was with a prestigious law firm, Bill joked that she was supporting the family.
No wife has ever been so publicly, brutally and internationally humiliated by a husband's philandering. Where is her self-respect? What has tolerating such humiliation done to her psychology? I think it explains her aggression. She's displaced what she'd like to do to her husband to being a war-monger, and documenting political enemies as targets for her eventual revenge.
Blair's documents give an unguarded look into the lives of Hillary and Bill Clinton, from Bill Clinton's days as Arkansas governor and rising Democratic star to the couple's time in the White House, warts and all.
Blair wrote in her diary that Hillary Clinton called Monica Lewinsky, the White House intern who nearly brought down her husband's presidency, a "narcissistic loony toon." Hillary Clinton defended her husband's adultery by saying it was caused, partly, because "the ugly forces started making up hateful things about them, pounding on them."
Diary: Hillary kept records for 'revenge'
Blair also noted a 1994 conversation in which the first lady asked her for advice on "how best to preserve her general memories of the administration and of health care in particular." When asked why she wanted to keep the documents, Clinton replied, "Revenge."
Confidante's diary: Hillary wanted to preserve records for 'revenge'
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/17/politics/diane-blair-hillary-clinton-documents/
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I watched this on the air in 1992; and while I voted for Clinton to get rid of Bush I, this was the moment I lost respect for HRC, and she's never regained it.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)i do agree that clinton foolishly and negligently abused his power, and he victimized her in that sense. however, she consented to have sex with him, and saved the spermy dress, so her victimhood stopped there. she went on to benefit from the encounter, so for her after that.
i would feel exactly the same if boosh did it. in fact, i am sure he, and many others did. clinton was foolish and arrogant enough to disregard the rw hate machine at his door. i am still angry at him for being such a tool.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)after the scandal broke, the Clintons had intensive counseling daily with a therapist in the White House. Bill Clinton gave up his bad habits and has been very supportive of his wife. Saw a lecture he gave at a college right after she became a Senator. He glowed with pride and you could tell he loved her. Bill Clinton also has been the opposite of a male chauvinist pig, which is what most right wingers are!!
Dorian Gray
(13,488 posts)with all the vitriol thrown at her because of this.
Having said that, I have no idea what rolling her story out does to HILLARY. It's an unfair tarring and feathering of her in this election cycle. She was not the perpetrator, and if it affects her it sucks. She (Hillary) should be judged solely on her own governing record, and not as the wife of Bill Clinton during his "affair" with Monica Lewinsky.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)thats about the least of the great songs on it, but a sad and authentic piece.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)Quite the double standard.
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baldguy
(36,649 posts)Just to use her for cheap political gain, to damage the President & the USA?
Linda Tripp abused Lewinsky just as much as Bill Clinton did.
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baldguy
(36,649 posts)Tripp didn't give a damn about what was happening to Lewinsky. She would have been perfectly happy with having the affair continue - just as long as she could use it & Lewinsky to make the President look bad. Clinton could have killed Monica & dined on her corpse - and Tripp would have done nothing to stop it, just as long as she could get the story to her Republican friends.
No question Lewinsky was a victim. Just don't pretend that Bill Clinton was her only victimizer.
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classykaren
(769 posts)They even admitted to paying for her plastic surgery.
Dem4life23
(1 post)Can I have a LINK to read about that???? Its one I haven't heard before. The girls at work will love it
Jeesh, every day things seem to get a little weirder
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Hekate
(90,618 posts)....after all.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)but using terms like and "rape" given what actually happened does nothing for your credibility, or your argument. did he abuse his power? yes. was he dead wrong? yes. did she consent to sex with him? yes. was she an adult? yes. that's not "rape," but i will give you abuse of power.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Exactly the same.
As is saying he wasn't Lewinsky's only victimizer means he didn't victimize her at all.
I can see you're blinded by your hatred for the Clintons (given the fact that you can't see Hillary as a victim, too). Like Tripp, you couldn't care less about what actually happened to Lewinsky.
Justice
(7,185 posts)Really, why not? I don't think Hillary is responsible for the affair or the leak of the affair - aside from Chelsea, why isn't Hillary the main victim on a personal level?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)It was bad behaviour, but to call it 'rape' trivializes the experience of rape victims.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...a good case to be made that it wasn't even "...a sexual relationship."
Somebody published a survey, at the time, that claimed something like 9 out of 10 college students didn't consider a 'blowjob' to be 'having sex'.
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hobbit709
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hobbit709
(41,694 posts)you evidently come here and in 24 hours know everything.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)does that work for you?
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)That Monika might have *gasp! had sex with other men before Clinton! The tramp! Only men can do that
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)First I heard about this. Is gennifer flowrs a star fucker too, I guess. I forget the other names - so they are star fuckers and the star is what?
Just curious how this all works.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)dsc
(52,155 posts)she was a 24 year old woman who entered into a relationship with Clinton with eyes wide open.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)but women get the whore treatment, while the guy just truddles along o gosh darn.
same old.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)so you can put away your club.
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Feral Child
(2,086 posts)None of us are naive enough to think that power is no longer abused.
I think your message, vague and obfuscated as it is, has more to do with smearing a political candidate that actually had nothing to do with the scandal than indicting powerful people (in general) that abuse their power.
The problem with trolling is this: in order to stay below the radar a troll's message must remain so obscure that the trolling is ineffective. It's a quandary, is it not?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)The outrage is just too "cute".
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Feral Child
(2,086 posts)classykaren
(769 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)he disrupted poorly
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)perhaps you aren't as idiotic as i thought.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)He is a right-winger, a sympathetic biographer of Pat Buchanan, a Christian Right type, a sympathizer with RW Tories and now UKIP at home and with Republicans in the USA.
Almost all Torygraph bloggers are vile; he is one of the worst.
Recent Torygraph article titles by him include:
Dr. Who came out - as a pro-life Christian conservative
Why Ukip will win Clacton: Carswell and immigration
If you have to choose between being liberal and being Christian, choose Christian
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, population control and the things we don't admit about abortion
In 2012, he was very anti-Obama and preferred Romney, but clearly would really have liked Santorum:
http://timothystanley.co.uk/1/post/2012/02/why-i-quite-like-rick-santorum-even-if-many-catholics-dont.html
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100150054/rick-santorum-was-the-most-conservative-authentic-and-resilient-candidate-of-2012/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100144143/rick-santorum-can-beat-barack-obama/
I wouldn't rely on him for anything.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)definitely don't now.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)I always felt it was a matter for the three of them to work out.
The outrage always reminded me of that SNL skit with Ackroyd's drunk Nixon facing his last days in the White House yelling at a portrait of JFK:
"And YOU! Having SEX! In the OVAL OFFICE!"
BeyondGeography
(39,367 posts)For the sake of getting a life before it's really too late, Monica needs to move on.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I give Ms. Lewinsky a pass on whatever she does. Well, to an extent. I have no problem with what she is doing here or what role she played in the affair. She was part of a life changing event. Go make some money Ms. Lewinsky and I hope you get to smile along the way.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)make in a lifetime. You don't find it suspicious she comes out again right before the midterms?
Since the Lewinsky scandal, she became somewhat of a celebrity, appearing on Saturday Night Live, The Tom Green show, as well as countless interviews concerning the affair. Monica was paid $1 million endorse Jenny Craig in TV commercials. Lewinsky teamed with author Andrew Morton to publish the book Monica's Story in 1999. Her book advance reportedly $500,000. She also became a fashion designer, selling a collection of handbags under her name. Despite moderate success, Lewinsky did not continue with the handbag line. Growing tired of the US media attention, Lewinsky moved to London in 2005. The following year, she graduated with a masters in social psychology at London School of Economics.
http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/monica-lewinsky-net-worth/
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It is a good business move on her part. Most people are sick of her and don't want to hear from her. This is the perfect time for her to get the most bang for her buck. It makes perfect sense that she is doing this now. It is a moment of opportunity for her. I really don't care if she has made more off this scandal than most do in a lifetime. She has every right to do so.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)because of all the publicity about her affair with Clinton.
If that is so, and she still wants a relationship, her current behavior seems very self-defeating.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)I'm the same age as she is. We all make mistakes. We all fooled around. We all hooked up. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt.
But we should all own our own behavior. Abuse of power by a man in authority - absolutely.
But she knew exactly what she was doing.
When she says - I knew EXACTLY what I was doing and this was the end result - I'll take her seriously.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Why is their partner in the affair nearly always blamed for it?
Just more slut-shaming?
And, yes, she probably should have known better. So should he. I'm tired of the Monica-bashing by so-called liberals (I'm speaking of the ones here, not the author of this piece, whom I do not know).
B Calm
(28,762 posts)She needs to stop her high dollar lifestyle and move on! I'm not calling her any names, so who's calling her a slut?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)that's how much of a pass i give him.
Hekate
(90,618 posts)Tripp was also the creature of the GOP, and she betrayed the hell out of Monica. I truly feel sorry for Monica on the basis of her persecution by the GOP. She thought seducing the Big Dog was going to be a romp, and it blew up in her face and blew her life apart. Bill Clinton didn't do that: the Right Wing did.
Rethink your charge about powerful men as it relates to the Clinton-Lewinsky affair -- Bill Clinton didn't get a pass. The GOP had been trying to find anything at all to destroy him (and his wife) with, and they finally found it. They did not give a damn who they destroyed along the way, if only they could get the Clintons. If poor foolish Monica had actually committed suicide, the GOP operatives would have privately laughed and publicly blamed the Clintons. If they'd had their way, Clinton would have been thrown out of office, period.
Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)Linda Tripp is probably pissing her pants now that Lewinsky is back. Just when she thought all of that nonsense is past tense, Lewinsky back in the news brings it back in the spotlight again. LOL.
Arthur_Frain
(1,848 posts)Honestly, when you're talking about that kind of money, that kind of lifetime security, there are many people who would do what she is doing. The embarrassment and shame is transitory.
LawDeeDah
(1,596 posts)When Hillary wrote her first book after the Clinton lie, grabbing money was part of the incentive, that can't be denied. The people who bought that book were probably hoping to read some inside never before released info on the whole ugly scene. So be careful who you call money grubbers.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So yeah. Let's read his stuff....
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)She has taken a negative experience and found a way to make it a positive going forward, rather than spending the rest of her life wallowing in shame and deprivation. She is taking on a legitimate cause and has more than a little experience suffering from its effects. She deserves our compassion and her cause is worthy and deserves our support.
As for HRC and her "maybe she is - maybe she isn't" campaign to run for President, she has had the better part of two decades since the "affaire Lewinsky" to demonstrate to the American public her suitability in character and temperament for the nation's highest office. If the public remains unconvinced, that is not Monica's fault, but a failure of Hillary's to do so. She, too, deserves our compassion, but she must earn my support for her "cause" of obtaining the Presidency.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)And never known for anything more than fucking the President.
Mira
(22,380 posts)Husband, father, World Leader, wagging a finger at the smitten 22 year old and saying:
"Oh no we don't little girl. Wouldn't be prudent."
I did a bunch of stupid stuff at 22 when I did not yet know my butt from a hole in the ground, didn't you?
The temptation for Monica was something I can't imagine her having the strength to struggle with all by herself.
I am a fan of WJClinton on many levels. But here HE was the one who blew it.
Pun intended
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But not every married fifty-something guy will automatically start a sordid sexual relationship with a 22-year old woman just because she acts flirtatiously. Bill undoubtedly behaved worse than Monica. And Hillary conducted herself in exemplary fashion.
WhiteTara
(29,699 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)And hope nobody every figured out my true identity. Sigh, my wasted youth.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)and the same holds true today.I agree with the poster that fronted the reminder about the stained dress she so very covertly safeguarded. The proof is in the fabric right ?
How does an L.A.,privilaged Beverly Hills 20 year old get to the oval office to begin with ?
Because it sure isn't all about hard work paying off is it ?
Cyber bullying is a hot button issue-politically- over in the UK at current,as a matter of fact, there was a recent issue having to do with a suspected cyber bullying mom lashing out at the McCann's regards the McCann kidnapping case. Committed suicide in a hotel room after having been confronted by a reporter at her home.
It seems Lewinsky wants out in front of it as the subject line-,issue, gains momentum-,that being cyber bullying.
The cause is good, Lewinsky is not good enough to be the face of the cause. The proof is in the fabric.
PatrickforO
(14,569 posts)Here's a kid who made a real dumb decision when she was 21, and ended up paying and paying and paying and paying for that bad decision while 'friends' like Linda Tripp cashed in. Bill is the bad guy here because he was the most powerful man in the world at the time and he let that power sway Monica into giving him sexual pleasure. That was just plain wrong.
And don't get me wrong. I like Bill. He's a rock star. I like Hillary too, to a degree, but I like Warren's politics better.
Yes, the Clinton administration DID lash out against Monica - and yes, those staffers who participated were paid to do it. The Clintons play real rough, and a naïve little 21 year old intern was no match for Bill's libido, and certainly no match for a well orchestrated and expert machine that ground her to a pulp.
In all honest mfcorey1, you should rethink your attitude toward this woman. She wasn't even really out of adolescence when it happened and any career hopes she might have had were smashed into oblivion.
Seriously, I have a daughter and two step-daughters. What if Monica was YOUR daughter?
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)let's you know who the author of the article is. Back off with your righteous indignation. You don't know how I feel on the matter. There are posters here who agree and some who disagree. We encourage conversation.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)So Lewinsky somehow became entrapped in the allure of presidential powers at the very tender age of 21 ? Sure Lewinsky must have looked a hell of lot better than all those big mac;s and french fries Bill packed away in all those years getting the work done.And as Lewinsky said,she fell in love with all that power in a twenty-ish year old sort of way.I suppose Lewinsky found her voice after all those years spent in England.
And nothing at all odd or coincidental about the timing right?
But hay like they say in west L.A. ,that's Monica .
She just jettisoned on out there center stage with a new name,patient zero.
And she can talk about that girl that once was so very long ago because,well because the timing is just right for the occasion.
She does this she says not for herself, but all the victims around the world of cyber bullying.
And those who will become victims.
So here's what you might not hear, who are the who's who are watching those whoevers who are handling Lewinsky ? I mean did she just all of the sudden catapult her way back to center stage,or was it all perfectly arranged in exact timing?
Or what is Monica Lewinsky & company. ?
By the way, what do you suppose is her politics these days ?
And that is the question.
And by the way,those kids play real rough out there in Beverly Hills- L.A.-too.
She knew more about the ways of the world than you think.
PatrickforO
(14,569 posts)Still, just personally, I advocate forgiveness. After all, everyone pretty much forgave Bill. Why not Monica?
There was just TOO much of a power differential for us to really blame her for much of anything.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)That's Monica the LA style socialite !
PatrickforO
(14,569 posts)detective show. I would have dropped the 'f-bomb' too. The fact she said this under several hours of grilling and threats by FBI agents doesn't convince me that we shouldn't cut her some slack for her part in the scandal. I can remember how disgusted I was when Linda Tripp, a supposed friend, set Monica up and cashed in.
In my eyes, Bill gets most of the blame for this happening. This because of the power differential between he as POTUS and she as a 12-yo intern. If he'd had proper ethics, he would have not done anything with her in the first place. He could have gently discouraged it, and she would have come to her senses and been thankful later. But NO, he had to have sex.
PatrickforO
(14,569 posts)that you agree with it, particularly when it is taken with the disclaimer at the beginning. Therefore I do stand by what I said to you in my last post.
Let's all have a little compassion for Monica, and for each other, shall we? When it comes to mistakes I've surely made some doozies, and I daresay everyone reading this thread can say the same if they are honest with themselves.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)you cannot handle. Maybe it would be best that you find another op to whine about. The beautiful thing about DU is that we do not shy away from controversy. There have been topics here that would have made you really blow your gasket. Apparently this one not your cup of tea. Peace.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)Do you really think Lewinsky is asking for forgiveness or seeking that and your compassion?
Lewinsky in no uncertain terms was intoxicated and the drink was power.The thing is, the power
is more like a drug trip ,turns into a perpetual high.
If you had kept up with public opinion at that time, or maybe you did ,and if you did you might recall that ,that thing at the time was no big shock wave where public opinion comes into the picture. DC was a disney land with strip clubs and after hours parties back then. Remember Newt ,he's the guy that begged for forgiveness. Indeed ,life in sin city.
Some people blamed Hillery for being too far removed back than.Voters according to polls were
ok with the job Clinton was doing and the sex scandal thing didn't change that fact. In deed there
are plenty of people that still miss those 80's !
Parents warn kids all the time about playing with match's or fire.
And Monica Lewinsky paid those warnings no mind at all.
And on that level in it, it wasn't just a stupid mistake.
She wishes to be viewed as patient zero.
Alexander the Great wanted to be worshiped as a god after he discovered there were no gods up on top of the mountain.
OK so fine, no problem at all revisiting all that. And we shall see how far up that mountain Lewinsky climbs in the next few years .
Know this, Lewinsky is not asking for forgiveness. She knows she owns her stake in what went down back then.
You know, wax wings.
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Wella
(1,827 posts)and harassed and stalked and many other things. Not every young woman who has an affair--even with a married man--has to put up with that kind of behavior. She may be a very good person to speak out. Timothy Stanley needs to experience some of the harassment women experience online--and EVERY DAY--before he can start running his little mouth off.
dsc
(52,155 posts)No one forced Bill Clinton to have an affair with Monika Lewinski. And if anyone can understand the horror of having ones private life laid bare she surely is a person who can.
onecent
(6,096 posts)old enough to KNOW the consequences wouldn't be divorce and her marrying him. Geez
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)She was the cause of the bullying. Maybe that is harsh, but she should have decided to live a life out of the spotlight.
Intentionally putting herself in the public eye again seems like sadistic behaviour to me.
Also, I have always thought it was wrong for Lewinsky to have told Tripp, or anyone else for that matter, about her presidential kneepads. That put Tripp in a terrible situation and caused a lot of harm to this country. I don't care about political motivations, it was a stupid thing for Lewinsky to do. Of course this was the same woman who seduced a sitting president in the modern era.
lindysalsagal
(20,643 posts)She kept him then and keeps him now. Frankly, I really can't be bothered, either way. I am still resenting Hillary for voting for the Iraq occupation, especially since she, of all people, knew the truth. Yes. She knew. Grow up and admit it.
Whatever Bill and Hill's relationship is, I don't care. They're happy with it, whatever. But she's no victim, that much is clear.
She'll make a good president and she'll be good for women. Trouble is, we really don't know how many giveaways will go to big business and big religion.
She'll deal with the wars and the domestic hate machine and survive it all. No, she's not a hero or a victim, but she's definitely a survivor.