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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 04:26 AM Oct 2014

Shame on Monica Lewinsky

Editor's note: Timothy Stanley is a historian and columnist for Britain's Daily Telegraph. He is the author of the new book "Citizen Hollywood: How the Collaboration Between L.A. and D.C. Revolutionized American Politics." The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of the author.

(CNN) -- Shameless. There's no other word to describe Monica Lewinsky. Sixteen years after her affair with President Bill Clinton became public knowledge, she's returned to the limelight with a campaign against cyberbullying -- of which she claims to have been "patient zero."
Ignore the fact that she was patently not the primary victim in the Zippergate affair (poor Hillary Clinton was) or that any comparison with someone suffering a disease, especially at a time when people are dropping dead from Ebola, is tasteless in the extreme.

What's most depressing is that when she rejoined the public stage, she said she was inspired to speak out by the story of Tyler Clementi, a student who committed suicide after a video of him kissing another boy went up online. Young Clementi was the victim of societal homophobia as well as an invasion of his privacy, and his death makes any comparison with Lewinsky's self-imposed troubles ridiculous. Moreover, Clementi died in 2010. Lewinsky has decided to revisit his cause in 2014, suggesting that the timing may have less to do with him than it does with Hillary Clinton.

And, of course, this will be embarrassing for Hillary Clinton. Lewinsky has joined Twitter, which will allow her to make uncensored remarks in the course of the 2016 campaign. And Lewinsky has also lashed out at the way the White House machine trashed her in its desire to protect Bill Clinton's reputation (as it was paid to do -- she had an affair with the President of the United States, not an anonymous bank manager no one gave a damn about)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/21/opinion/stanley-monica-lewinsky-shameless/?cid=ob_articlesidebarall&iref=obnetwork

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Shame on Monica Lewinsky (Original Post) mfcorey1 Oct 2014 OP
Wow.. talk about trying to tie yourself to something that has nothing to do with you to Cha Oct 2014 #1
she must have run out of $$ nt msongs Oct 2014 #2
Too many trips to Europe. . Maybe she should host SNL again, or another book deal. B Calm Oct 2014 #9
I'm was kind of hoping this was some sort of ploy to get the Monica story out of the way early... Hekate Oct 2014 #3
Yes, Clinton is the Golden Boy in that story and Lewinsky is the Evil Hussy who seduced him Fumesucker Oct 2014 #4
A-men! Le Taz Hot Oct 2014 #6
Doesn't look like it paints Bill Clinton as a 'golden boy' at all; it is pro-*Hillary* muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #7
If Lewinsky's dalliance was with a Republican POTUS she would be seen as a victim on DU Fumesucker Oct 2014 #25
Strange that you bring that up when talking about an article not on DU muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #34
Mostly I viscerally dislike going after the little fish in order to spare the big ones Fumesucker Oct 2014 #48
A wife who stays w/ a serial adulterer for political power and prestige? Divernan Oct 2014 #52
Hillary not standing by her man: LWolf Oct 2014 #54
excellent post! nt m-lekktor Oct 2014 #65
disagree noiretextatique Oct 2014 #74
One thing you are ignoring demigoddess Oct 2014 #78
I'm uncomfortable Dorian Gray Oct 2014 #11
Golden Boy seveneyes Oct 2014 #22
Tubes Now a fantastic album reddread Oct 2014 #39
+1 AngryOldDem Oct 2014 #24
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #5
And what do you call a person who feigns freindship with such a vulnerable person baldguy Oct 2014 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #10
Of course it was damaging to the President & the presidency. **THAT WAS TRIPP'S INTENSION!** baldguy Oct 2014 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #20
What do you mean None of us knew her motivations? Did you forget her pay off from the Super Pac ? classykaren Oct 2014 #29
Omg really???? Lol LINK LINK LINK Dem4life23 Oct 2014 #31
Enjoy your stay. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #40
Went to all the trouble of signing up to make that one dumb post. Must not've been that much fun... Hekate Oct 2014 #97
You know, i agree that clinton had the power in the situation noiretextatique Oct 2014 #33
Right, comparing Clinton's actions to murder & cannibalism is absolving him of all blame. baldguy Oct 2014 #37
"Can't wrap my mind around the fact that author considers Hillary to be the main victim" Justice Oct 2014 #26
You use the word rape lightly. B Calm Oct 2014 #28
It was not rape. LeftishBrit Oct 2014 #43
There was even... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #62
Better read up on Lewinsky's history before you make any idiot claims. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #14
If the shoe fits... hobbit709 Oct 2014 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #18
I could have used a dozen words that mean the same thing but the shorter words get the point across. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #19
how about idiotic? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #36
You mean her 'sexual' history? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #56
More in the vein of the person my friends sing about here. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #67
what other 'stars' besides Bill did Monika fuck? LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #68
A little research would do you good but your mind is already made up. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #69
Monika had affiars with two other married older men dsc Oct 2014 #90
the blame should be at least close to equal, is all I am saying LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #93
The horse is dead Feral Child Oct 2014 #13
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #17
That isn't your message. No. Feral Child Oct 2014 #23
I think dear Bellamy is about to become "Name Removed" hobbit709 Oct 2014 #27
+1 Couldn't agree more! B Calm Oct 2014 #30
Agreed. Feral Child Oct 2014 #32
Calling President Clinton a rapist is a right wing talking point. B Calm Oct 2014 #35
I'd call it so. Feral Child Oct 2014 #49
I hope so classykaren Oct 2014 #41
Gone now! B Calm Oct 2014 #45
and so it is! noiretextatique Oct 2014 #46
You called it, hobbit! Feral Child Oct 2014 #50
i see you backing off the rape claim noiretextatique Oct 2014 #38
I don't think she was taken advantage of. In_The_Wind Oct 2014 #21
Tim Stanley is NOT, I repeat NOT, a good source LeftishBrit Oct 2014 #42
...Didn't give a shit in 1998 Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #44
Same here deutsey Oct 2014 #55
There's many different kinds of Clinton fatigue, but this particular strain has run its course BeyondGeography Oct 2014 #47
As someone who absolutley adores Hillary.... NCTraveler Oct 2014 #51
She has already made more money off this scandal than what most people B Calm Oct 2014 #53
No, I don't find it suspicious because it is not suspicious. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #59
She claimed she hasn't been able to develop a long term relationship MoonRiver Oct 2014 #57
She needs to stop JustAnotherGen Oct 2014 #58
Why do powerful men who cheat nearly always get a pass? alarimer Oct 2014 #60
Do you know he was impeached? Don't think that's a pass. B Calm Oct 2014 #61
clinton's womanizing cost gore the election...way moreso than nader noiretextatique Oct 2014 #75
He got impeached by the GOP. Also, it was the GOP that hired Ken Starr and set the dogs on Monica. Hekate Oct 2014 #99
Linda Tripp Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #63
Another word might be "money-grubbing". Arthur_Frain Oct 2014 #64
i'd call hedge fund workers 'money grubbers' more than Lewinsky. LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #72
Tim Stanley wrote a glowing bio of Pat Buchanan among other right wing screeds.... Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #66
Good on Monica. bluedigger Oct 2014 #70
Lewinsky will never be anything more than a tool used to try and harm the Clintons. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #71
What about the very grown man Mira Oct 2014 #73
Well yes, she shouldn't have flashed her thong strap at President Clinton. Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #76
She is shameless. nt WhiteTara Oct 2014 #77
I would have changed my name and moved to Prague. librechik Oct 2014 #79
She started out a privileged opportunist Wash. state Desk Jet Oct 2014 #80
I hear what you're saying, but I don't agree. PatrickforO Oct 2014 #81
How in the hell are you blaming me? We at DU post items of interest. The disclaimer mfcorey1 Oct 2014 #83
You don't agree ? And you go with the young and dumb defense ? Wash. state Desk Jet Oct 2014 #86
Ah, maybe so. PatrickforO Oct 2014 #88
Here is the Lewinsky her friends knew back there in southern Cal. Wash. state Desk Jet Oct 2014 #89
This detainment and interrogation is like something out of a bad PatrickforO Oct 2014 #94
OH. Just read the 1st paragraph. Still, the fact that you posted this suggests PatrickforO Oct 2014 #82
This post of yours suggest that participating in conversation on controversy is something mfcorey1 Oct 2014 #84
Compassion ,forgiveness ? Wash. state Desk Jet Oct 2014 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Oct 2014 #85
This OP seems harsh. I have no doubt Monica has been cyberbullied Wella Oct 2014 #87
what a load of crap dsc Oct 2014 #91
And NO ONE forced Monika Lewinski to have an affair with Bill Clinton. She was onecent Oct 2014 #96
Lewinsky says she was the first victim of cyber bullying. Jenoch Oct 2014 #92
Before we all repeat "poor Hillary", she knew he was chasing tail way back in Arkansas. lindysalsagal Oct 2014 #98

Cha

(297,032 posts)
1. Wow.. talk about trying to tie yourself to something that has nothing to do with you to
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 04:37 AM
Oct 2014

get attention.. not good.

Hekate

(90,618 posts)
3. I'm was kind of hoping this was some sort of ploy to get the Monica story out of the way early...
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:02 AM
Oct 2014

...so we wouldn't have to hear it breathlessly retold from the RW shills in 2015-2016.

But yeah, she's in a class by herself alright. I'm sorry for her troubles and all, but there are some mistakes that a person pretty much pays for the rest of their life, and this seems to have been in that category. "Monica ❤️ Bill" was not a love story; it was the story of two people of vastly unequal status using each other.

She was young and dumb. I was once that young, but I was never that dumb. There's a part of me that feels sorry for her...but... I don't want to hear from her again. Once was enough.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
4. Yes, Clinton is the Golden Boy in that story and Lewinsky is the Evil Hussy who seduced him
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:36 AM
Oct 2014

Yet another authoritarian reveals their true colors, kicking the powerless while fellating the powerful.

If Clinton had been a Republican president Lewinsky would be universally seen as purely the victim here on DU.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
6. A-men!
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:42 AM
Oct 2014

It's not like Monica was his first dalliance. She signed up for it, she chose to stay so, no, she's hardly the victim. Her political ambitions trump everything in her world.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
7. Doesn't look like it paints Bill Clinton as a 'golden boy' at all; it is pro-*Hillary*
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 05:56 AM
Oct 2014

It calls Hillary the victim of the affair. I think this is its main message about the Clintons: "Does Hillary Clinton not have a right to put this scandal behind her and have a political identity separate from her husband's?"

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
25. If Lewinsky's dalliance was with a Republican POTUS she would be seen as a victim on DU
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:53 AM
Oct 2014

Hillary had many opportunities to leave Bill, that she chose to stay with a man known for "Bimbo eruptions" well before he ever rose to national prominence is a matter that some people will justly or not draw their own conclusions about and then use to help them judge her character.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,295 posts)
34. Strange that you bring that up when talking about an article not on DU
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:13 AM
Oct 2014

"Clinton is the Golden Boy in that story" would seem, then, to be false.

"Yet another authoritarian reveals their true colors, kicking the powerless while fellating the powerful" seems, from #25, to be aimed at one or more DUers, not the article writer. Or are you saying that a woman is not allowed to forgive her husband? Do you see Hillary as guilty for not leaving Bill?

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
48. Mostly I viscerally dislike going after the little fish in order to spare the big ones
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:41 AM
Oct 2014

I had the same reaction to the nurses getting blamed for the Ebola brouhaha in Dallas and had several OPs about that.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
52. A wife who stays w/ a serial adulterer for political power and prestige?
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:13 AM
Oct 2014

What's not to love!?!? (sarcasm). Fooled her (HRC) once, shame on him; fooled her over and over and over again for decades? Shame on her! I fully empathize with giving someone a second chance - but not 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. I can even understand and empathize with wives who stay with a serial adulterer because they lack the self-confidence, education, resources, and or ability to support themselves post divorce, or whose children would face a significant reduction in quality of life if adulterous daddy is kicked out. That was not the case with HRC. With a law degree from Yale? Gimme a break! When Bill was Governor of Arkansas and she was with a prestigious law firm, Bill joked that she was supporting the family.

No wife has ever been so publicly, brutally and internationally humiliated by a husband's philandering. Where is her self-respect? What has tolerating such humiliation done to her psychology? I think it explains her aggression. She's displaced what she'd like to do to her husband to being a war-monger, and documenting political enemies as targets for her eventual revenge.

An unguarded look into the Clintons

Blair's documents give an unguarded look into the lives of Hillary and Bill Clinton, from Bill Clinton's days as Arkansas governor and rising Democratic star to the couple's time in the White House, warts and all.

Blair wrote in her diary that Hillary Clinton called Monica Lewinsky, the White House intern who nearly brought down her husband's presidency, a "narcissistic loony toon." Hillary Clinton defended her husband's adultery by saying it was caused, partly, because "the ugly forces started making up hateful things about them, pounding on them."
Diary: Hillary kept records for 'revenge'

Blair also noted a 1994 conversation in which the first lady asked her for advice on "how best to preserve her general memories of the administration and of health care in particular." When asked why she wanted to keep the documents, Clinton replied, "Revenge."

Confidante's diary: Hillary wanted to preserve records for 'revenge'
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/17/politics/diane-blair-hillary-clinton-documents/

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
54. Hillary not standing by her man:
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:27 AM
Oct 2014


I watched this on the air in 1992; and while I voted for Clinton to get rid of Bush I, this was the moment I lost respect for HRC, and she's never regained it.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
74. disagree
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 11:24 AM
Oct 2014

i do agree that clinton foolishly and negligently abused his power, and he victimized her in that sense. however, she consented to have sex with him, and saved the spermy dress, so her victimhood stopped there. she went on to benefit from the encounter, so for her after that.
i would feel exactly the same if boosh did it. in fact, i am sure he, and many others did. clinton was foolish and arrogant enough to disregard the rw hate machine at his door. i am still angry at him for being such a tool.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
78. One thing you are ignoring
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 01:20 PM
Oct 2014

after the scandal broke, the Clintons had intensive counseling daily with a therapist in the White House. Bill Clinton gave up his bad habits and has been very supportive of his wife. Saw a lecture he gave at a college right after she became a Senator. He glowed with pride and you could tell he loved her. Bill Clinton also has been the opposite of a male chauvinist pig, which is what most right wingers are!!

Dorian Gray

(13,488 posts)
11. I'm uncomfortable
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:21 AM
Oct 2014

with all the vitriol thrown at her because of this.

Having said that, I have no idea what rolling her story out does to HILLARY. It's an unfair tarring and feathering of her in this election cycle. She was not the perpetrator, and if it affects her it sucks. She (Hillary) should be judged solely on her own governing record, and not as the wife of Bill Clinton during his "affair" with Monica Lewinsky.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
39. Tubes Now a fantastic album
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:20 AM
Oct 2014

thats about the least of the great songs on it, but a sad and authentic piece.

Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
8. And what do you call a person who feigns freindship with such a vulnerable person
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:05 AM
Oct 2014

Just to use her for cheap political gain, to damage the President & the USA?

Linda Tripp abused Lewinsky just as much as Bill Clinton did.

Response to baldguy (Reply #8)

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
16. Of course it was damaging to the President & the presidency. **THAT WAS TRIPP'S INTENSION!**
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:28 AM
Oct 2014

Tripp didn't give a damn about what was happening to Lewinsky. She would have been perfectly happy with having the affair continue - just as long as she could use it & Lewinsky to make the President look bad. Clinton could have killed Monica & dined on her corpse - and Tripp would have done nothing to stop it, just as long as she could get the story to her Republican friends.

No question Lewinsky was a victim. Just don't pretend that Bill Clinton was her only victimizer.

Response to baldguy (Reply #16)

classykaren

(769 posts)
29. What do you mean None of us knew her motivations? Did you forget her pay off from the Super Pac ?
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:01 AM
Oct 2014

They even admitted to paying for her plastic surgery.

Dem4life23

(1 post)
31. Omg really???? Lol LINK LINK LINK
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:07 AM
Oct 2014

Can I have a LINK to read about that???? Its one I haven't heard before. The girls at work will love it

Jeesh, every day things seem to get a little weirder

Hekate

(90,618 posts)
97. Went to all the trouble of signing up to make that one dumb post. Must not've been that much fun...
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 05:04 PM
Oct 2014

....after all.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
33. You know, i agree that clinton had the power in the situation
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:11 AM
Oct 2014

but using terms like and "rape" given what actually happened does nothing for your credibility, or your argument. did he abuse his power? yes. was he dead wrong? yes. did she consent to sex with him? yes. was she an adult? yes. that's not "rape," but i will give you abuse of power.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
37. Right, comparing Clinton's actions to murder & cannibalism is absolving him of all blame.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:18 AM
Oct 2014

Exactly the same.

As is saying he wasn't Lewinsky's only victimizer means he didn't victimize her at all.

I can see you're blinded by your hatred for the Clintons (given the fact that you can't see Hillary as a victim, too). Like Tripp, you couldn't care less about what actually happened to Lewinsky.

Justice

(7,185 posts)
26. "Can't wrap my mind around the fact that author considers Hillary to be the main victim"
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:55 AM
Oct 2014

Really, why not? I don't think Hillary is responsible for the affair or the leak of the affair - aside from Chelsea, why isn't Hillary the main victim on a personal level?

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
43. It was not rape.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:26 AM
Oct 2014

It was bad behaviour, but to call it 'rape' trivializes the experience of rape victims.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
62. There was even...
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 09:10 AM
Oct 2014


...a good case to be made that it wasn't even "...a sexual relationship."

Somebody published a survey, at the time, that claimed something like 9 out of 10 college students didn't consider a 'blowjob' to be 'having sex'.



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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #12)

Response to hobbit709 (Reply #15)

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
19. I could have used a dozen words that mean the same thing but the shorter words get the point across.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:33 AM
Oct 2014

you evidently come here and in 24 hours know everything.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
56. You mean her 'sexual' history?
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:35 AM
Oct 2014

That Monika might have *gasp! had sex with other men before Clinton! The tramp! Only men can do that

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
68. what other 'stars' besides Bill did Monika fuck?
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:16 AM
Oct 2014

First I heard about this. Is gennifer flowrs a star fucker too, I guess. I forget the other names - so they are star fuckers and the star is what?

Just curious how this all works.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
90. Monika had affiars with two other married older men
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 08:58 PM
Oct 2014

she was a 24 year old woman who entered into a relationship with Clinton with eyes wide open.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
93. the blame should be at least close to equal, is all I am saying
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:26 PM
Oct 2014

but women get the whore treatment, while the guy just truddles along o gosh darn.

same old.

Response to Feral Child (Reply #13)

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
23. That isn't your message. No.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 06:49 AM
Oct 2014

None of us are naive enough to think that power is no longer abused.

I think your message, vague and obfuscated as it is, has more to do with smearing a political candidate that actually had nothing to do with the scandal than indicting powerful people (in general) that abuse their power.

The problem with trolling is this: in order to stay below the radar a troll's message must remain so obscure that the trolling is ineffective. It's a quandary, is it not?

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
42. Tim Stanley is NOT, I repeat NOT, a good source
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:24 AM
Oct 2014

He is a right-winger, a sympathetic biographer of Pat Buchanan, a Christian Right type, a sympathizer with RW Tories and now UKIP at home and with Republicans in the USA.

Almost all Torygraph bloggers are vile; he is one of the worst.

Recent Torygraph article titles by him include:

Dr. Who came out - as a pro-life Christian conservative


Why Ukip will win Clacton: Carswell and immigration


If you have to choose between being liberal and being Christian, choose Christian


Ruth Bader Ginsburg, population control and the things we don't admit about abortion



In 2012, he was very anti-Obama and preferred Romney, but clearly would really have liked Santorum:

http://timothystanley.co.uk/1/post/2012/02/why-i-quite-like-rick-santorum-even-if-many-catholics-dont.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100150054/rick-santorum-was-the-most-conservative-authentic-and-resilient-candidate-of-2012/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100144143/rick-santorum-can-beat-barack-obama/


I wouldn't rely on him for anything.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
55. Same here
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:30 AM
Oct 2014

I always felt it was a matter for the three of them to work out.

The outrage always reminded me of that SNL skit with Ackroyd's drunk Nixon facing his last days in the White House yelling at a portrait of JFK:

"And YOU! Having SEX! In the OVAL OFFICE!"

BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
47. There's many different kinds of Clinton fatigue, but this particular strain has run its course
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 07:38 AM
Oct 2014

For the sake of getting a life before it's really too late, Monica needs to move on.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
51. As someone who absolutley adores Hillary....
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:04 AM
Oct 2014

I give Ms. Lewinsky a pass on whatever she does. Well, to an extent. I have no problem with what she is doing here or what role she played in the affair. She was part of a life changing event. Go make some money Ms. Lewinsky and I hope you get to smile along the way.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
53. She has already made more money off this scandal than what most people
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:21 AM
Oct 2014

make in a lifetime. You don't find it suspicious she comes out again right before the midterms?


Since the Lewinsky scandal, she became somewhat of a celebrity, appearing on Saturday Night Live, The Tom Green show, as well as countless interviews concerning the affair. Monica was paid $1 million endorse Jenny Craig in TV commercials. Lewinsky teamed with author Andrew Morton to publish the book Monica's Story in 1999. Her book advance reportedly $500,000. She also became a fashion designer, selling a collection of handbags under her name. Despite moderate success, Lewinsky did not continue with the handbag line. Growing tired of the US media attention, Lewinsky moved to London in 2005. The following year, she graduated with a masters in social psychology at London School of Economics.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/monica-lewinsky-net-worth/

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
59. No, I don't find it suspicious because it is not suspicious.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:51 AM
Oct 2014

It is a good business move on her part. Most people are sick of her and don't want to hear from her. This is the perfect time for her to get the most bang for her buck. It makes perfect sense that she is doing this now. It is a moment of opportunity for her. I really don't care if she has made more off this scandal than most do in a lifetime. She has every right to do so.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
57. She claimed she hasn't been able to develop a long term relationship
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:38 AM
Oct 2014

because of all the publicity about her affair with Clinton.

If that is so, and she still wants a relationship, her current behavior seems very self-defeating.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
58. She needs to stop
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:51 AM
Oct 2014

I'm the same age as she is. We all make mistakes. We all fooled around. We all hooked up. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

But we should all own our own behavior. Abuse of power by a man in authority - absolutely.

But she knew exactly what she was doing.

When she says - I knew EXACTLY what I was doing and this was the end result - I'll take her seriously.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
60. Why do powerful men who cheat nearly always get a pass?
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 08:56 AM
Oct 2014

Why is their partner in the affair nearly always blamed for it?

Just more slut-shaming?

And, yes, she probably should have known better. So should he. I'm tired of the Monica-bashing by so-called liberals (I'm speaking of the ones here, not the author of this piece, whom I do not know).

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
61. Do you know he was impeached? Don't think that's a pass.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 09:05 AM
Oct 2014

She needs to stop her high dollar lifestyle and move on! I'm not calling her any names, so who's calling her a slut?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
75. clinton's womanizing cost gore the election...way moreso than nader
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 11:32 AM
Oct 2014

that's how much of a pass i give him.

Hekate

(90,618 posts)
99. He got impeached by the GOP. Also, it was the GOP that hired Ken Starr and set the dogs on Monica.
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 05:16 PM
Oct 2014

Tripp was also the creature of the GOP, and she betrayed the hell out of Monica. I truly feel sorry for Monica on the basis of her persecution by the GOP. She thought seducing the Big Dog was going to be a romp, and it blew up in her face and blew her life apart. Bill Clinton didn't do that: the Right Wing did.

Rethink your charge about powerful men as it relates to the Clinton-Lewinsky affair -- Bill Clinton didn't get a pass. The GOP had been trying to find anything at all to destroy him (and his wife) with, and they finally found it. They did not give a damn who they destroyed along the way, if only they could get the Clintons. If poor foolish Monica had actually committed suicide, the GOP operatives would have privately laughed and publicly blamed the Clintons. If they'd had their way, Clinton would have been thrown out of office, period.

Catherine Vincent

(34,486 posts)
63. Linda Tripp
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 09:22 AM
Oct 2014

Linda Tripp is probably pissing her pants now that Lewinsky is back. Just when she thought all of that nonsense is past tense, Lewinsky back in the news brings it back in the spotlight again. LOL.

Arthur_Frain

(1,848 posts)
64. Another word might be "money-grubbing".
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 09:25 AM
Oct 2014

Honestly, when you're talking about that kind of money, that kind of lifetime security, there are many people who would do what she is doing. The embarrassment and shame is transitory.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
72. i'd call hedge fund workers 'money grubbers' more than Lewinsky.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:33 AM
Oct 2014

When Hillary wrote her first book after the Clinton lie, grabbing money was part of the incentive, that can't be denied. The people who bought that book were probably hoping to read some inside never before released info on the whole ugly scene. So be careful who you call money grubbers.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
66. Tim Stanley wrote a glowing bio of Pat Buchanan among other right wing screeds....
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 09:41 AM
Oct 2014

So yeah. Let's read his stuff....

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
70. Good on Monica.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:30 AM
Oct 2014

She has taken a negative experience and found a way to make it a positive going forward, rather than spending the rest of her life wallowing in shame and deprivation. She is taking on a legitimate cause and has more than a little experience suffering from its effects. She deserves our compassion and her cause is worthy and deserves our support.

As for HRC and her "maybe she is - maybe she isn't" campaign to run for President, she has had the better part of two decades since the "affaire Lewinsky" to demonstrate to the American public her suitability in character and temperament for the nation's highest office. If the public remains unconvinced, that is not Monica's fault, but a failure of Hillary's to do so. She, too, deserves our compassion, but she must earn my support for her "cause" of obtaining the Presidency.

 

Ykcutnek

(1,305 posts)
71. Lewinsky will never be anything more than a tool used to try and harm the Clintons.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:32 AM
Oct 2014

And never known for anything more than fucking the President.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
73. What about the very grown man
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:55 AM
Oct 2014

Husband, father, World Leader, wagging a finger at the smitten 22 year old and saying:
"Oh no we don't little girl. Wouldn't be prudent."

I did a bunch of stupid stuff at 22 when I did not yet know my butt from a hole in the ground, didn't you?
The temptation for Monica was something I can't imagine her having the strength to struggle with all by herself.

I am a fan of WJClinton on many levels. But here HE was the one who blew it.
Pun intended

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
76. Well yes, she shouldn't have flashed her thong strap at President Clinton.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 11:38 AM
Oct 2014

But not every married fifty-something guy will automatically start a sordid sexual relationship with a 22-year old woman just because she acts flirtatiously. Bill undoubtedly behaved worse than Monica. And Hillary conducted herself in exemplary fashion.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
79. I would have changed my name and moved to Prague.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 02:09 PM
Oct 2014

And hope nobody every figured out my true identity. Sigh, my wasted youth.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
80. She started out a privileged opportunist
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 04:10 PM
Oct 2014

and the same holds true today.I agree with the poster that fronted the reminder about the stained dress she so very covertly safeguarded. The proof is in the fabric right ?
How does an L.A.,privilaged Beverly Hills 20 year old get to the oval office to begin with ?
Because it sure isn't all about hard work paying off is it ?

Cyber bullying is a hot button issue-politically- over in the UK at current,as a matter of fact, there was a recent issue having to do with a suspected cyber bullying mom lashing out at the McCann's regards the McCann kidnapping case. Committed suicide in a hotel room after having been confronted by a reporter at her home.

It seems Lewinsky wants out in front of it as the subject line-,issue, gains momentum-,that being cyber bullying.

The cause is good, Lewinsky is not good enough to be the face of the cause. The proof is in the fabric.



PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
81. I hear what you're saying, but I don't agree.
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:18 PM
Oct 2014

Here's a kid who made a real dumb decision when she was 21, and ended up paying and paying and paying and paying for that bad decision while 'friends' like Linda Tripp cashed in. Bill is the bad guy here because he was the most powerful man in the world at the time and he let that power sway Monica into giving him sexual pleasure. That was just plain wrong.

And don't get me wrong. I like Bill. He's a rock star. I like Hillary too, to a degree, but I like Warren's politics better.

Yes, the Clinton administration DID lash out against Monica - and yes, those staffers who participated were paid to do it. The Clintons play real rough, and a naïve little 21 year old intern was no match for Bill's libido, and certainly no match for a well orchestrated and expert machine that ground her to a pulp.

In all honest mfcorey1, you should rethink your attitude toward this woman. She wasn't even really out of adolescence when it happened and any career hopes she might have had were smashed into oblivion.

Seriously, I have a daughter and two step-daughters. What if Monica was YOUR daughter?

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
83. How in the hell are you blaming me? We at DU post items of interest. The disclaimer
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:34 PM
Oct 2014

let's you know who the author of the article is. Back off with your righteous indignation. You don't know how I feel on the matter. There are posters here who agree and some who disagree. We encourage conversation.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
86. You don't agree ? And you go with the young and dumb defense ?
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 12:29 AM
Oct 2014

So Lewinsky somehow became entrapped in the allure of presidential powers at the very tender age of 21 ? Sure Lewinsky must have looked a hell of lot better than all those big mac;s and french fries Bill packed away in all those years getting the work done.And as Lewinsky said,she fell in love with all that power in a twenty-ish year old sort of way.I suppose Lewinsky found her voice after all those years spent in England.

And nothing at all odd or coincidental about the timing right?
But hay like they say in west L.A. ,that's Monica .
She just jettisoned on out there center stage with a new name,patient zero.
And she can talk about that girl that once was so very long ago because,well because the timing is just right for the occasion.

She does this she says not for herself, but all the victims around the world of cyber bullying.
And those who will become victims.

So here's what you might not hear, who are the who's who are watching those whoevers who are handling Lewinsky ? I mean did she just all of the sudden catapult her way back to center stage,or was it all perfectly arranged in exact timing?

Or what is Monica Lewinsky & company. ?

By the way, what do you suppose is her politics these days ?

And that is the question.

And by the way,those kids play real rough out there in Beverly Hills- L.A.-too.
She knew more about the ways of the world than you think.



PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
88. Ah, maybe so.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 06:59 PM
Oct 2014

Still, just personally, I advocate forgiveness. After all, everyone pretty much forgave Bill. Why not Monica?

There was just TOO much of a power differential for us to really blame her for much of anything.

PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
94. This detainment and interrogation is like something out of a bad
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 09:41 AM
Oct 2014

detective show. I would have dropped the 'f-bomb' too. The fact she said this under several hours of grilling and threats by FBI agents doesn't convince me that we shouldn't cut her some slack for her part in the scandal. I can remember how disgusted I was when Linda Tripp, a supposed friend, set Monica up and cashed in.

In my eyes, Bill gets most of the blame for this happening. This because of the power differential between he as POTUS and she as a 12-yo intern. If he'd had proper ethics, he would have not done anything with her in the first place. He could have gently discouraged it, and she would have come to her senses and been thankful later. But NO, he had to have sex.

PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
82. OH. Just read the 1st paragraph. Still, the fact that you posted this suggests
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:23 PM
Oct 2014

that you agree with it, particularly when it is taken with the disclaimer at the beginning. Therefore I do stand by what I said to you in my last post.

Let's all have a little compassion for Monica, and for each other, shall we? When it comes to mistakes I've surely made some doozies, and I daresay everyone reading this thread can say the same if they are honest with themselves.

mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
84. This post of yours suggest that participating in conversation on controversy is something
Thu Oct 23, 2014, 10:38 PM
Oct 2014

you cannot handle. Maybe it would be best that you find another op to whine about. The beautiful thing about DU is that we do not shy away from controversy. There have been topics here that would have made you really blow your gasket. Apparently this one not your cup of tea. Peace.

Wash. state Desk Jet

(3,426 posts)
95. Compassion ,forgiveness ?
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 04:48 PM
Oct 2014

Do you really think Lewinsky is asking for forgiveness or seeking that and your compassion?
Lewinsky in no uncertain terms was intoxicated and the drink was power.The thing is, the power
is more like a drug trip ,turns into a perpetual high.

If you had kept up with public opinion at that time, or maybe you did ,and if you did you might recall that ,that thing at the time was no big shock wave where public opinion comes into the picture. DC was a disney land with strip clubs and after hours parties back then. Remember Newt ,he's the guy that begged for forgiveness. Indeed ,life in sin city.

Some people blamed Hillery for being too far removed back than.Voters according to polls were
ok with the job Clinton was doing and the sex scandal thing didn't change that fact. In deed there
are plenty of people that still miss those 80's !

Parents warn kids all the time about playing with match's or fire.
And Monica Lewinsky paid those warnings no mind at all.

And on that level in it, it wasn't just a stupid mistake.

She wishes to be viewed as patient zero.
Alexander the Great wanted to be worshiped as a god after he discovered there were no gods up on top of the mountain.

OK so fine, no problem at all revisiting all that. And we shall see how far up that mountain Lewinsky climbs in the next few years .

Know this, Lewinsky is not asking for forgiveness. She knows she owns her stake in what went down back then.

You know, wax wings.




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Wella

(1,827 posts)
87. This OP seems harsh. I have no doubt Monica has been cyberbullied
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 12:34 AM
Oct 2014

and harassed and stalked and many other things. Not every young woman who has an affair--even with a married man--has to put up with that kind of behavior. She may be a very good person to speak out. Timothy Stanley needs to experience some of the harassment women experience online--and EVERY DAY--before he can start running his little mouth off.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
91. what a load of crap
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:02 PM
Oct 2014

No one forced Bill Clinton to have an affair with Monika Lewinski. And if anyone can understand the horror of having ones private life laid bare she surely is a person who can.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
96. And NO ONE forced Monika Lewinski to have an affair with Bill Clinton. She was
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 05:01 PM
Oct 2014

old enough to KNOW the consequences wouldn't be divorce and her marrying him. Geez

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
92. Lewinsky says she was the first victim of cyber bullying.
Fri Oct 24, 2014, 09:20 PM
Oct 2014

She was the cause of the bullying. Maybe that is harsh, but she should have decided to live a life out of the spotlight.

Intentionally putting herself in the public eye again seems like sadistic behaviour to me.

Also, I have always thought it was wrong for Lewinsky to have told Tripp, or anyone else for that matter, about her presidential kneepads. That put Tripp in a terrible situation and caused a lot of harm to this country. I don't care about political motivations, it was a stupid thing for Lewinsky to do. Of course this was the same woman who seduced a sitting president in the modern era.

lindysalsagal

(20,643 posts)
98. Before we all repeat "poor Hillary", she knew he was chasing tail way back in Arkansas.
Sat Oct 25, 2014, 05:09 PM
Oct 2014

She kept him then and keeps him now. Frankly, I really can't be bothered, either way. I am still resenting Hillary for voting for the Iraq occupation, especially since she, of all people, knew the truth. Yes. She knew. Grow up and admit it.

Whatever Bill and Hill's relationship is, I don't care. They're happy with it, whatever. But she's no victim, that much is clear.

She'll make a good president and she'll be good for women. Trouble is, we really don't know how many giveaways will go to big business and big religion.

She'll deal with the wars and the domestic hate machine and survive it all. No, she's not a hero or a victim, but she's definitely a survivor.

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