So who thinks that only about 1,000 Nazis were "employed" here? There were many more than that.

[bobthedrummer]

Report: the US emloyed "at least 1,000 Nazis" after WWII (Natasha Bertrand 10-27-14 Business Insider)
http://www.businessinsider.com/report-the-us-employed-at-least-1000-nazis-after-world-war-ii-2014-10

That reminds me of more history.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power (Ben Aris and Duncan Campbell 9-25-04 The Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

There were lots more than that, and then they bred here. Let's talk about them and their US pals like the BFEE.

[snooper2]

1. Hitler thread?

ERB of HISTORY!

[bobthedrummer]

2. Go drive your Dodge pal-thanks for the offtopic kick. This is about our US history.

America's Secret Government Program to Hire Nazi War Criminals (Richard Rashke 8-2-13 The Daily Beast)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/02/america-s-secret-government-program-to-hire-nazi-war-criminals.html#

[snooper2]

22. thanks taking off right now LOL...new spark plugs in it running GREAT!

old ones looked like Shhheeeyat! Pain in the ass on the 4.7, but not too bad not too bad...

[zappaman]

3. Awesome!

[bobthedrummer]

66. Ever hear of the US Bund/Friends of New Germany zappaman? They have carried on to the present day.

American Bund (Jim Bredemus article from Traces)
http://www.traces.org/americanbund.html

Any thoughts to share with US today about this US history, zappaman?

[Octafish]

9. Why do you make fun of a serious issue, snooper2?

Nazis and the Republican Party

A Fresh Look

by Carla Binion

Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were
given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U.S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions
in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not
come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas. The Nazi agenda
did not die along with Adolf Hitler. It moved to America (or a part of it did) and joined the far right of the
Republican Party.

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for
their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi
employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After
Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U.S. certain concessions in exchange for his own
protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and
helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.

Journalist Russ Bellant (OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) shows that
Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as
adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate
Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.

Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week,
disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The
article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.

According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:

1.Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council's executive director, and head of "Bulgarians for Bush." Slavoff was a
member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust
denier, Austin App.

2.Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of "Romanians for Bush."
Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.

3.Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.

4.Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.

5.Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP's Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi
groups.

6.Bohdan Fedorak, leader of "Ukrainians for Bush." Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish
wartime pogroms.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm

PS: I guess you didn't know that, snooper2.

[Enthusiast]

15. +1!

[bobthedrummer]

63. I'll bet the New Breed is for Jeb BUSH-or worse. n/t

[Major Nikon]

20. Tada!

On Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Hitler thread?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5722794

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Absolutely disgusting lyrics, including the C word and joking about putting people in ovens. Totally inappropriate. Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:56 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Trash worthy of The Lounge perhaps but certainly not GD.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I love Epic Rap Battles!
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Not funny at all. Over the top.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alleging that all uses of the "C word" are hide worthy reeks of Thinkpol.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's just a stupid rap music video - worse than I expected. I doubt many will even watch it. Leave it.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh good lord. If you're listening to a YouTube video of a rap battle between a guy dressed up as Hitler and Darth Vader just to find something to be offended enough about to alert, you really need to get off DU and do something useful with your day.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[hifiguy]

29. Juror 7 not only hit the nail on the head

s/he drove it all the way through the 2 x 4.

[bobthedrummer]

4. Articles on US Corporations Doing Business With Nazis ( various authors via Angelfire)

http://www.angelfire.com/teoi143/essays/US_corps_and_nazis.htm

A Jeb Bush kick.

[Man from Pickens]

5. Operation Paperclip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

Sadly many of them brought Nazi ethics with them and infected our government and scientific institutions.

[villager]

7. Exactly. As much as some here love to "joke" about U.S. history...

...the reality is, too few are aware of that history's toxic affects on our present political moment...

[bobthedrummer]

11. Yep. You got it villager. n/t

[Aerows]

14. Or don't want to be aware

and/or mock those who are in an attempt to squelch the desire for awareness.

[Enthusiast]

16. PLUS ONE, a huge bunch!

[jeepers]

25. If we are lied to about our history

Then we cannot remember it and in George Santayana's words are condemned to repeat it.

[get the red out]

52. Absolutely

No way to put it better. Thank you.

[bobthedrummer]

6. There were many more than "about a 1,000" and as we recently learned they were paid millions in

Social Security benefits. The Wikipedia entry on Operation PAPERCLIP ups the number just for that secret recruitment conducted by our National Security community. There were many more and their "influence" is present today.

Operation PAPERCLIP (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

[bobthedrummer]

10. The US medical profession & the pharmacutical corporations that used Nazi "medical experimentation"

(some of which were I.G. Farben spinoffs) all carried on in our own version of "life unworthy of life" policies that originated right here in the land of the free--eugenics.

Eugenics in the United States (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States

Think there were a just a few recruited Nazis and that this is a dumb thread DU? Then go somewhere else.

Or can you see how this led to our present state of dystopia? If so, post your views here.

[loyalsister]

56. They thanked us for the road map to the holocaust....

Nazis on trial at Nuremberg after World War II cited the influence of American eugenics programs on their policies and mentioned Buck v. Bell in their testimony.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-06-23-eugenics-carrie-buck_N.htm

Buck. v. Bell has never been overturned.

[bobthedrummer]

57. Thank you loyalsister for citing that fact. n/t

[undergroundpanther]

45. I get $710 bucks a month to

Survive on via ssi ,meanwhile nazi wastes of skin get millions. That smack of injustice is fucking vile.
everyone disabled forced to struggle everyday just because you happen to be disabled while fucking war criminals get millions..aaargh. how much social security has been blown on nazis,depriving disabled,old and suffering people.

[Octafish]

8. CIA employed a lot of NAZIs.

"The notion that they (CIA, Army Counterintelligence Corp, Gehlen organization) employed only a few bad apples will not stand up to the new documentation. Some American intelligence officials could not or did not want to see how many German intelligence officials, SS officers, police, or non-German collaborators with the Nazis were compromised or incriminated by their past service… Hindsight allows us to see that American use of actual or alleged war criminals was a blunder in several respects…there was no compelling reason to begin the postwar era with the assistance of some of those associated with the worst crimes of the war. Lack of sufficient attention to history-and, on a personal level, to character and morality-established a bad precedent, especially for new intelligence agencies. It also brought into intelligence organizations men and women previously incapable of distinguishing between their political/ideological beliefs and reality. As a result, such individuals could not and did not deliver good intelligence. Finally, because their new, professed 'democratic convictions' were at best insecure and their pasts could be used against them (some could be blackmailed), these recruits represented a potential security problem." (Note 3)

The Gehlen organization profiled in the newly posted CIA history represents one of the most telling examples of these pitfalls. Timothy Naftali, a University of Virginia professor and consulting historian to the IWG who focused heavily on the declassified CIA material, highlighted the problems posed by our relationship with Gehlen: "Reinhard Gehlen was able to use U.S. funds to create a large intelligence bureaucracy that not only undermined the Western critique of the Soviet Union by protecting and promoting war criminals but also was arguably the least effective and secure in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. As many in U.S. intelligence in the late 1940s had feared would happen, the Gehlen Organization proved to be the back door by which the Soviets penetrated the Western alliance." (Note 4)

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/

[bobthedrummer]

12. I know you've helped many here learn the truth Sir-myself included. Thanks! n/t

[Aerows]

13. Octafish has also taught me many things, too!

The only thing worse than being ignorant is *choosing* to remain ignorant and trying to make others feel foolish for discussing ACTUAL history.

Ignore those who want to mock and make fun - I don't know why they do it, but it's not worth it to pay them any mind.

[hifiguy]

31. He's the resident expert on hidden history

here. The stories no one wants to remember but which are of great importance. And he should be on anyone's short list of Most Valuable DUers.

Speaking of, hey Octafish did you read through that marked up Posner opinion in Wood v. Wisconsin I sent you?

[undergroundpanther]

46. Bob

Your kindness and info regarding my past is not forgotten by me,it's been a long time since I've seen you post.

[Blue_Tires]

36. Not a big shock, since the prevailing philosophy at the time was

"If we don't snatch them up and get them to work with us, the Soviets will!!"

[Enthusiast]

17. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

Thank you, bobthedrummer.

[GummyBearz]

18. Barring a time machine, what do we do? And...

Are you suggesting Obama is the leader of a government secretly influenced by nazis?

[brooklynite]

19. Not particularly interested in what our policy was 70 years ago...

...best guess, the people who came up with that policy are all dead.

[villager]

37. Of course you're not. How could history possibly have *any* effect on the present moment?

[hack89]

39. So please elaborate on its impact on the Obama administration. nt

[villager]

40. I fogot! This administration is completely divorced from the history of U.S. intelligence and

...and military operations!

Thanks for your astute "elaboration."

[hack89]

41. I am merely asking a question. You are the one dancing around the issue

how specifically has the history of U.S. intelligence and and military operations influenced the Obama White House?

You are the one that is suppose to prove the astute elaboration instead of vague generalities. Lets see a semi-elaborate answer.

[villager]

42. No, you're merely being obstinate.

I leave it to your own innate intelligence to decode how the MIC's post-war history has shaped American policy, and American administrations.

[hack89]

43. So it is irrelevant who is in the White House - they are powerless against the MIC?

Bernie Saunders or Elizabeth Warren would do the same as Obama who did the same as Bush? Is that the logic here?

[villager]

44. Well, it's untested, since no one's really thought about standing up to them since JFK

We know how that turned out.

Since then, general acquiescence.

More to the point for this thread, there's a certain history there which has remained in the shadows, and which we, as citizens of a democracy-barely-running-on-fumes, would be better served, if brought to light.

You can avail yourself of that history right here, in this thread. Plenty of great historical background about how it started to wrong, and very fast, after WWII.

[hack89]

48. I understand the history very well

It is the notion of a powerless presidency I question. Hence my wish that you dispense with the hand waving generalities and veiled insults to my intelligence and actually gives some concrete examples.

[villager]

53. The concrete examples are all over this thread.

But you knew that.

sometimes, the pointless arguing is more fun, eh?

[hack89]

55. No examples from the Obama White House

That must mean Obama was able to resist the MIC.

[bobthedrummer]

67. Does the CIA want Republicans to win the midterms? (Trevor Timm 11-1-14 Guardian)

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/01/does-the-cia-want-republicans-to-win-the-midterms

Ponder that hack89-consider the lack of accountability here since 2001. Who are tptb today???

[hack89]

68. So if repukes are so good to the tptb, why are Dems ever allowed to gain real power?

Let's just say I question your "logic".

[bobthedrummer]

58. So you are representative of the majority of citizens that are conditioned to be ahistorical imho.

What about other dead people's policies, like the framers of the Constitution and the current extreme interpretations that include fascism? Interested in them brooklynite? What about all the dead on all sides of the "Cold War"???

We all die but "policies" don't.

Btw, Eric Lichtblau (author of the book that inspired this thread) has been rather consistent about his research that gets published in one of your hometown newspapers, brooklynite.

Nazis Were Given "Safe Haven" in U.S., Report Says (Eric Lichblau 11-14-2010 NYT)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html?_r=0

[brooklynite]

59. I don't object to history per se, but I don't want to get in the middle of a squabble...

...over the "it was our policy then so we must still do it" allegations.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. They hired the secret police for ideas of setting up our own.

[PeoViejo]

23. The Nazi War with the Soviets and other Slavic Countries failed in Europe

...but many of them realized that America could be the new Anti-Communist Fortress (Feistung Amerika), so they infiltrated in various ways to seed their Fascist Ideology here. There was also a religious side to this as well, being that the Soviet Union was an Atheist Power and had to be eliminated. The Prophecies of Lourdes also played into this.

[DeSwiss]

24. And then they picked up where they left off.....

...just with new ''Fuhrers.''



''If you want to hide something in plain view, exaggerate it to the point it becomes extreme and convert it to a conspiracy theory.'' ~Martin Armstrong




The St Louis Experiments

Unethical Human Experimentation In The United States

Government Secret Experiments

Nazi Style Human Experimentation By U.S. Government

Operation Paperclip

Declassified: Human Experimentation (3/5)

Declassified: Human Experimentation (4/5)

Fluoride deposition in the aged human pineal gland

Harvard School of Public Health: Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children

The Rosenhan experiment

Rosenhan Experiment (YT search)

Rosenhan - On Being Sane in Insane Places

And then came the GMOs...........

[uhnope]

38. Guess you prefer Stalinism and Putinism to Fascism

but we prefer democracy, thank you.

BTW, are you a CT about flouridation?

[CJCRANE]

26. It's okay, they were the 'moderate' Nazis.

They were thoroughly vetted so only the 'good' Nazis got through.

[bobthedrummer]

54. Yeah CJCRANE, I picked up on that quote from Allen Dulles too-"moderate Nazis"!!! That deserves an

Allen Dulles post.

Allen Dulles (Spartacus Educational)
http://spartacus-educational.com/USAdullesA.htm

And let's remember the Nazis in the Republican Party while we're at it- anyone care to post about the National Republican Heritage Groups Council???

[Octafish]

27. Operation RUSTY brought America the Gehlen ORG.

U.S. Policy During WWII:
CIA Relationship With Nazi General Reinhard Gehlen

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/CIAGehlen.html

Why Gehlen matters today is his presence at CIA not only fueled the Cold War, Gehlen helped build the Military Industrial Complex which led to our current national security state of permanent -- and lucratively privatized -- war.

The Poisoned Well

by Werther*

EXCERPT...

At war's end, Gehlen surrendered to the Americans and made a startling proposition. He would provide the Americans with what they lacked: intelligence about their erstwhile ally, the Soviet Union. To newly-minted intelligence officers from Topeka and Paducah, this sounded like an arresting offer. By August 1945, the Americans were sufficiently intrigued to fly Gehlen, in the uniform of a U.S. Army general, to Washington in General Walter Bedell Smith's transport aircraft. He met with such "present at the creation" panjandrums as Allen Dulles and William Donavan.

The outlines of the deal are these: Gehlen would transfer his organization and its information into the American intelligence network. As indubitable anticommunists, their zeal to serve their new masters was self-evident. All Gehlen demanded in return was the following:

* Gehlen must have complete control over his organization's activities;

* He retained the right to approve U.S. liaison officers to the Organization;

* The Organization would only be used against the USSR and its client states;

* The Organization would become the official intelligence agency of a future West German state;

* The Organization would never be required to do anything Gehlen considered against German interests. <5>

As the reader can surely guess, the American authorities snapped at the bait like a starving barracuda. And the rest is history: Since the Gehlen Organization's sole claim to legitimacy was its purported knowledge of the Soviet Union, the Red Army perforce became 20 feet tall.

Threat Inflation: A German Import?

Elementary knowledge of human psychology suggests that once the United States Government ceased to be terrified by the Soviet military, the Organization would no longer have a privileged and well-paid function; its flunkies would accordingly be obliged to scratch a living through honest toil. That alternative being abhorrent, the U.S. Government received and disseminated the most baroque exaggerations of Soviet power - only a few years after the European USSR had been nearly leveled, with up to 27 million military and civilian deaths. Despite the fundamental weakness of the post-war Soviet Union (which Stalin attempted to conceal) Congress and the America public obtained a steady diet of scare stories:

* In 1948, U.S. intelligence purported to believe the Red Army could mobilize "320 line divisions" in 30 days. This at a time when millions of Soviets were living in holes in the soil of Western Russia, there being nothing better to house them.

* The same year, the Secretary of the Navy told Congress that Soviet submarine were "sighted off our coasts" - although the Office of Naval intelligence could offer no evidence of such sub sightings. Its own estimates said that the Soviet Navy would be unable to mount continuing, overseas operations until 1957.

* Air Force Secretary Stuart Symington claimed in Congressional hearings that the Soviet Air Force was superior to that of the U.S.

* The military governor of Germany in 1948, General Lucius Clay, wrote a letter that conveniently found its way to Congress, stating that it was his "feeling" that the Soviets were planning war. <6>

Where did these estimates come from? Did the Gehlen Organization, which was essentially the executive agent of U.S. intelligence in Eastern Europe, have anything to do with it? The CIA's reticence, right up to February of this year, to declassify its files regarding interaction with Nazi personages is telling. <7>

CONTINUED...

http://www.d-n-i.net/fcs/comments/c538.htm

How Gehlen's handlers, the War Party, the BFEE, benefitted from the Cold War, I submit exhibit "Team B."

A History of Threat Escalation

Remembering Team B

By Tom Barry | February 12, 2004

The most notorious attempt by militarists and right-wing ideologues to challenge the CIA was the Team B affair in the mid-1970s. The 1975-76 “Team B” operation was a classic case of threat escalation by hawks determined to increase military budgets and step up the U.S. offensive in the cold war. Concocted by right-wing ideologues and militarists, Team B aimed to bury the politics of détente and the SALT arms negotiations, which were supported by the leadership of both political parties. 1

The historical record shows that the call for an independent assessment of the CIA's conclusions came from the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB--pronounced piffy-ab ). But the fear-mongering and challenges to the CIA's threat assessments--known as National Intelligence Estimates--actually started with nuclear strategist Albert Wohlstetter, who laid down the gauntlet in a 1974 Foreign Policy article entitled “Is There a Strategic Arms Race?” 2 Wohlstetter answered his rhetorical question negatively, concluding that the United States was allowing the Soviet Union to achieve military superiority by not closing the “missile gap.” Having inspired the Gaither Commission in 1957 to raise the missile gap alarm, Wohlstetter applied the same threat assessment methodology to energize hawks, cold warriors, and right-wing anticommunists in the mid-1970s to kill the politics of détente and increase budget allocations for the Pentagon. Following his Foreign Policy essay, Wohlstetter, who had left his full-time position at RAND to become a professor at the University of Chicago, organized an informal study group that included younger neoconservatives such as Paul Wolfowitz and longtime hawks like Paul Nitze.

PFIAB, which was dominated by right-wingers and hawks, followed Wohlstetter's lead and joined the threat assessment battle by calling in 1975 for an independent committee to evaluate the CIA's intelligence estimates. Testimony by PFIAB President Leo Cherne to the House Intelligence Committee in December 1975 alerted committee members to the need for better intelligence about the Soviet Union. “Intelligence cannot help a nation find its soul,” said Cherne. “It is indispensable, however, to help preserve the nation's safety, while it continues its search,” he added. George Bush Sr., who was about to leave his ambassadorship in China to become director of intelligence at the CIA, congratulated Cherne on his testimony, indicating that he would not oppose an independent evaluation of CIA intelligence estimates.


Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush Support Team B

Joining in the chorus of praise, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Bechtel's president George Shultz also congratulated Cherne, implicitly adding their backing for an independent threat assessment committee. 3 Led by several of the board's more hawkish members--including John Foster, Edward Teller, William Casey, Seymour Weiss, W. Glenn Campbell, and Clare Booth Luce--PFIAB had earlier in 1975 called for an independent evaluation of the CIA's national intelligence estimates. Feeling that the country's nuclear weapons industry and capacity was threatened, PFIAB was aiming to derail the arms control treaties then under negotiation.

Shortly after President Gerald Ford appointed Bush to be the new director of intelligence, replacing the beleaguered William Colby, Bush authorized PFIAB's plan for an alternative review. The review consisted of three panels: one to assess the threat posed by Soviet missile accuracy; another to determine the effect of Soviet air defenses on U.S. strategic bombers; and a third--the Strategic Objectives Panel--to determine the Soviet Union's intentions. The work of this last panel, which became known as the Team B Report, was the most controversial. As Paul Warnke, an official at the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency at the time of the Team B exercise, wrote: “Whatever might be said for evaluation of strategic capabilities by a group of outside experts, the impracticality of achieving useful results by ‘independent' analysis of strategic objectives should have been self-evident. Moreover, the futility of the Team B enterprise was assured by the selection of the panel's members. Rather than including a diversity of views ... the Strategic Objectives Panel was composed entirely of individuals who made careers of viewing the Soviet menace with alarm.” 4

Team members included Richard Pipes (father of Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum) and William Van Cleave, both of whom would become members of the second Committee on the Present Danger, as well as Gen. Daniel Graham, whose "High Frontier" missile defense proposal foreshadowed President Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or "Star Wars." The team's advisory panel included Paul Wolfowitz, Paul Nitze, and Seymour Weiss--all close associates of Albert Wohlstetter. 5 Although Richard Perle played no direct role in Team B, he was instrumental in setting it up. It was Perle who had introduced Richard Pipes, a Polish immigrant who taught Czarist Russian history at Harvard, to Sen. Henry Jackson, catapulting Pipes into a clique of fanatically anti-Soviet hawks. Pipes, who served as Team B's chairman, later said he chose Wolfowitz as his principal Team B adviser "because Richard Perle recommended him so highly." 6

CONTINUED...

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/analysis/2004/0402teamb.php

And now? Now the turds connected to all that own Carlyle Group, which owns Booz Allen Hamilton, which does all manner of outsourced spying for NSA and who knows what else.

[doublevoter69]

47. Speaking. of turds

Ted Nugent is really Turd Nugent.

[riverbendviewgal]

28. Thankfully Major General Smedley Butler stopped the plot to kill FDR

that Prescott Bush was involved in. Other wise we would all be Nazis now.

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html

President George Walker Bush’s grandfather (Prescott Bush) and great grandfather (George Herbert Walker) were among Wall Street’s ultra-right wing elite. Before WWII, they were among the key players who coordinated the flow of investments from American multimillionaires into Germany. They profited by helping to coordinate the American financing behind Hitler’s rise to power. During the war, they even profited from companies that armed the Nazi war machine and used slave labour at Auschwitz. Then, after the war, Prescott Bush was instrumental in helping to launder Nazi loot for Fritz Thyssen, who was one Hitler’s earliest and richest industrialist backers.

[Youdontwantthetruth]

49. Why is it that many current American policies and programs would be right at home

in the Third Reich?

Perhaps the ideology really won and all we are really missing the uniforms.

Hugo Boss, the company, is still around they could do them again or for a more American version get Tommy Hilfiger to design em.

(For the history challenged, google Hugo Boss and learn a little something)

[riverbendviewgal]

51. even the Pledge of aligience salute in the beginning

Was like the nazi salute.


Hugo boss had nazi connection for sure. He died after the war and his business per wiki paid for being in business with the nazis.

It does not political leanings now, just profit driven.

[bobthedrummer]

60. Racism and Eugenics, now we have Patented LifeForms-but let's credit two of the pioneers in a quest

for The Master Race/aka Survival of the Fittest, etc... that's a big part of it imo Youdontwantthetruth

Charles Davenport (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Davenport

Eugen Fischer (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Fischer

[Starcats]

30. It's how we got to the moon

Wernher von Braun - member of the Nazi Party. He was brought to the USA post WWII specifically to assist us with rocketry and space program development. Per WIKI: "Rocket engineer, NASA, Chief Architect of the Saturn V rocket of the Apollo manned moon missions."

[hifiguy]

32. The 1960s satirist Tom Lehrer summed that up very pithily

"I make zure zey go up
Don't care vere zey come down
Zat's not mein department"
says Werner von Braun

[thucythucy]

35. There was a ghost written, NASA approved "autobiography"

of Werner von Braun called, "We Aim for the Moon." The joke subtitle around NASA was: "but sometimes we hit London."

[bobthedrummer]

62. 9 Nazi Scientists Who Helped Build The American Space Program (Jeremy Bender 2-19-14 Business

Insider)
http://www.businessinsider.com/nazi-scientists-space-program-2014-2

When you realize that the Peenemunde rocket base was constructed largely by slaves from the camps, some of whom were left hanging and rotting as an incentive to "work" harder-and that NASA offered "national security work" to many of those that ordered and carried out those crimes against humanity it puts a different perspective to the "space race" which includes many operationalized space-based weapons systems today regardless of the futile attempts to label that fact as CT.

One of the Peenemunde commanders was Walter Dornberger who later "worked" at Bell Aviation just as the war in Vietnam and new "policies" required mass production of rotary wing platforms.
Walter Dornberger (Wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Dornberger

How about "The Father of Space Medicine"-oh well-- they're all dead now as noted up thread. Yet these folks helped shape the fascist policies of our current and past "leadership" all done in the name of we, the people some of whom were Nazis given US identities instead of the death sentences they received at Nuremberg.

[thucythucy]

64. It's a little known and very sordid facet of our history. nt.

[georut]

33. Gen. Smedley Butler

Let's not forget the attempted fascist coup of FDR, thwarted by General Smedley Butler.

[heaven05]

34. excellent refresher course

thanks. I had put that history in the background, not forgotten but not thought of much lately. Will start refreshing my mind on just how fascist and racist the Repug party is. And the only thing standing in the way of these types are US.(D). No one talks about the sordid history of the bush family except us. When Jeb throws his hat in the ring, need to remind people of just who the bush's are.

[bobthedrummer]

50. I wonder how many Nazis that used the Ratlines ended up here? How many of them were US employees?

Tied Up in the Rat Lines (Yossi Melman 1-15-06 Haaretz)
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/tied-up-in-the-rat-lines-1.62204

The Ratline: The US-Ustasha Connection (Carl Savich 6-2-07 Constantine Report repost)
http://www.constantinereport.com/the-ratline-the-us-ustasha-connection-2

[777man]

61. Robert Parry and Mike Levine(DEA) wrote about this years ago

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/06/hitlers-shadow-reaches-toward-today/


Hitler’s Shadow Reaches toward Today
June 6, 2013

From the Archive: U.S. history took a dark turn in the aftermath of World War II as the Truman administration judged the Soviet Union and socialism bigger threats than the remnants of Nazism and other right-wing ideologies. So, Official Washington protected some of the world’s worst killers, Robert Parry reported in 2010.

By Robert Parry (Originally published on Dec. 17, 2010)


Everything on Parry's site is very enlightening true journalism.....

[bobthedrummer]

65. The FBI's shameful recruitment of Nazi war criminals (Richard Rashke essay 3-6-13 Reuters)

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/06/the-fbis-shameful-recruitment-of-nazi-war-criminals

I knew he was a racist self-loathing gay hypocrite POS-this is something else though, isn't it DU?
The Real "Master of Deceit"!!!

[bobthedrummer]

69. Post midterm kick.

What does DU think today about this?

[bobthedrummer]

70. Here's another citation of the Nazi influence from my occupied State of Wisconsin-post your own DU

Judge apologizes for "offensive" remarks; Lenz cited Auschwitz as example of efficiency (Julian Emerson 11-1-14 Eau Claire Leader-Telegram)
http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/front_page/article_be9172b0-6186-11e4-a555-77cb0db0f89a.html

[bobthedrummer]

71. The Southern Poverty Law Center cites many examples of the Nazi influence in our present day

Hate and Extremism
http://splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism

[bobthedrummer]

72. Post-midterm secondary kick for you, DU. n/t