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Some of us naively thought during the terrible Bush decade that we could replace the heavy handed Security State of the Republican administration by electing a Democratic president and that we could reestablish our tattered democracy. In hindsight how foolish we were. We thought that Obama, who campaigned on government transparency and rolling back the Patriot Act would end the dominating control of the most powerful NSA/CIA Security State made strong by 8 years of zero oversight and an unlimited budget. We were wrong. How could we think that those in power would relinquish that power just because a new president was inaugurated? Sadly, some here in DU think thats exactly what happened in spite of the evidence otherwise.
In The Nation magazine of Oct 27, there is a good article, The Governments War on Whistleblowers.
As bad as that sounds, that is the tip of the iceberg. Many others have undergone Espionage Act investigations that didnt result in prosecutions, but most likely destroyed careers. Some see this as heavy-handed intimidation.
The article goes on to detail how Obamas DOJ used subpoenas to gather records of 100 journalists exposing their sources whether or not the sources were relevant to the justification for the subpoenas. This is more heavy handed intimidation.
It is apparent that our powerful NSA/CIA Security State, via the DOJ, has declared war on whisleblowers and investigative journalists.
When Obama became president he inherited a very powerful Security State from the Bush/Cheney administration that operated with an unlimited budget, carte blache authority and zero oversight. It appears that Security State has grown even more powerful under President Obama. This threat to our democracy should be obvious to all but those living in a state of denial. And those that applaud the president for the gains weve made must realize that without democracy those gains can disappear quickly.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bmac19gg
(96 posts)No, more of the same. I share your sentiment on this and I think the only thing worse than President Obama's lies and abuse of power in these areas is the unwillingness of some people to admit its even happening. People cant afford to just blindly support anything because its "their side" doing it. At no time in human history has a population ever benefited from their government having absolute power over them. Scary stuff.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)in something. It's our authoritarian upbringing that teaches us to have "faith" in our leaders.
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
leftstreet
(36,103 posts)DURec
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Will we ever get it back?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)It almost "looked" like we have a democracy?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)economics, foreign policy, the uncontrolled Security State.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)get's little attention. We should be focusing on the "Big Picture."
villager
(26,001 posts)...take on over-arching structural issues...
Well, there's a parade route in Dallas waiting for you.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)FSogol
(45,466 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)One of Obama's two greatest failures. The other was not nationalizing the Big Bank$ and prosecuting the banksters. Deliberate and calculated inactions that let the country slide a lot further in the direction of soft fascism.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Time for change
(13,714 posts)I wish that a lot more people would take this seriously. I have a lot problems with President Obama's actions as president, but this is at the top of my list. You are so right that "this threat to our democracy should be obvious to all ... "
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)How is your book coming?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)more that all other administrations combined. That means far more than Bush/Cheney. The heavy hand of government is getting heavier with each respective administration. And it looks like it doesn't matter which party is in power.
Some say that both parties are the same. I don't agree except in the area of the powerful Security State.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)After Tuesday's election, I'll be responding to this sort of stuff again.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)How long does it last? I don't think The Nation Magazine is honoring the moratorium.
It seems that "agitprop" means to some here, anything that doesn't agree with the conservative world view.
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)Clearly there isn't. My reply is part of that discussion. You appear to disagree with me. We are discussing something. I started my own OP:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025744699
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)ludicrously mislabeled as "ignoring."
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)ESPECIALLY around election time when our view just MIGHT be listened to.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)from the Third Way telling us first that liberals are "fringe" and irrelevant, but then that we are so powerful that a critical post *on a political discussion board* is going to sink the election.
Corporatists really need to start having their talking point meetings all together in the same room.
The ONLY people I see deliberately trying to reduce turnout are the corporate faction of the party. In fact, I can't *ever* remember seeing such a sustained, relentless, and deliberate effort to discourage, demoralize, and outright attack the base of the party. It makes no sense whatsoever...until you realize that corporate politicians depend on divided government in order to be able to continue to claim to the electorate that they cannot stop predatory corporate policies.
I presume you have contacted the DCCC about this garbage?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025736826
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)"The ONLY people I see deliberately trying to reduce turnout are the corporate faction of the party. In fact, I can't *ever* remember seeing such a sustained, relentless, and deliberate effort to discourage, demoralize, and outright attack the base of the party. It makes no sense whatsoever...until you realize that corporate politicians depend on divided government in order to be able to continue to claim to the electorate that they cannot stop predatory corporate policies. "
" I'm gonna get whiplash from the Third Way telling us first that liberals are "fringe" and irrelevant, but then that we are so powerful that a critical post *on a political discussion board* is going to sink the election. "
I also get whiplash from the Third Way saying that the crazy liberal want too much and then turn around and say that Obama and Clinton are liberals.
They try to claim they are "moderates" yet support fracking, XL Pipeline, Wall Street bailouts, continued war, etc. Those are conservative stands not moderate.