THIS COUNTRY HAS GONE INSANE - MAN REFUSES TO LIE ON GROUND WITH COPS POINTING GUN AT HIM

[marym625]

[Laf.La.Dem.]

1. how did this end???

[marym625]

3. I don't know

I think it looks like the one cop holsters his gun. I can't stop crying. WE ARE JUST FUCKED

[proReality]

52. How it ended, from YouTube

"Natividad recorded for almost four tense minutes until his phone stopped recording. That was when La Quinta police moved in and handcuffed him, but not before threatening to tase and beat him with a baton.

"They placed him in the back of the patrol car before releasing him 30 minutes later with no charges."

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

2. I hope he's still alive, any info on how that ended up?

He's quite courageous, given how so many police interactions go.

[ManiacJoe]

49. See the interview in post #6.

Threatened with tasers and batons, cuffed, put into cop car, released 30 minutes later.

[arcane1]

4. What's the story here? WHy was he stopped?

[marym625]

56. Here's the story

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dramatic-video-shows-man-refusing-lie-police-guns-pointed/

[NCTraveler]

5. Criminals are often not very bright.

Just about all cops have pretty serious authority issues. Put the two together and the outcome is too often awful. It is amazing we have as few incidents as we do. Looks like the cops here were well measured and the guy with the camera is a blabbering fool. Would like to see additional video before and after. There is a lot untold here.

[rug]

7. He's not a criminal.

[NCTraveler]

8. He says he knows he broke the law.

Going to watch the video again as I may have heard it wrong.

[rug]

9. He's referring to the guy on the ground.

[NCTraveler]

10. I just made a quick edit to my post. Just wanted to let you know.

Going to watch it again.

[rug]

11. NP. There's an interview with Alejandro Natividad in the link below.

[NCTraveler]

22. I replied to myself with two quotes from the video. My bad.

After reading your article and watching the video I don't see where anything is all that bad. They were in the car together. The guy was not just a random guy walking by. He was with a guy, who at the time, could have been under the suspicion of some pretty serious narcotics. Even the young man filming says he was way off. I really don't blame the cops for reacting the way they did here. They had no clue what was going on.

Cops need serious lessons in de-escalating problems while at the same time ensuring control. It is something they should have down pat by now.

[NCTraveler]

15. He clearly says...

"I got out of the car and surrendered to you" - Didn't say "he" or "that guy".
"I have not committed a crime"

At the start of the video he is somewhat between the officer and the suspect. Seems he is a part of it in some way or at least worked really hard to make it that way.

[JonLP24]

12. He seems passionate almost to the point of crying

in declaring his innocence and doing nothing wrong. The "I don't know but get on the ground and we'll figure it out" doesn't help the cops case in the limited frame.

[NCTraveler]

16. Agree.

Though, sometimes the cops really do need to sort things out. They have to have some form of control when doing so. Cops all too often hurt their own cause.

[Daemonaquila]

17. Way to make unwarranted assumptions, like a Faux News reporter.

Read the story behind the video. He was not a criminal, but a guy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, filming cops who were trying to detain him without any reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. He should be congratulated for watching out for his friend, and not taking crap from cops when they had no basis to search, cuff, or interfere with him in any way.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dramatic-video-shows-man-refusing-lie-police-guns-pointed/

[NCTraveler]

18. Ohhhh yeah. Fox news reporter. That stings. loling. nt.

[NCTraveler]

24. 1) At no point in the video or story does "watching out for his friend" occurr.

2) He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens sometimes.

[marym625]

33. thank you for the link n/t

[Bonx]

34. Here's an actual news link

"Natividad was a passenger in a car when a deputy tried to stop the vehicle after noticing the driver was disoriented and unresponsive. Authorities say Natividad’s friend drove off but quickly stopped.
Both men got out of the car and were ordered to the ground at gunpoint.
Natividad challenged police, saying he had done nothing wrong."
"The deputy says he smelled marijuana, and the driver, seen on the sidewalk in the footage, was arrested for driving while impaired by drugs."
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014/10/27/man-says-la-quinta-police-officers-pointed-service-weapons-at-him-while-recording-friends-arrest/

[marym625]

63. Thanks for this. n/t

[savalez]

20. There appears to be only one

Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:05 AM - Edit history (1)

"blabbering fool" in this thread. I think it's you.

[NCTraveler]

23. Why is that? nt.

[savalez]

26. Because asserting your right

to not have to lay on the ground like a common criminal when you have done nothing wrong is not blabbering.

[marym625]

60. exactly n/t

[Taitertots]

45. In the video, the only people breaking the law are the police officers

But lets be honest about what you are really saying. You think it is acceptable for the police to violate the human rights of anyone that is suspected of trivial offenses.

[marym625]

57. absolutely no reason to hold a gun on a

Citizen that is unarmed and not a threat. None. Nada. Not any.

If these cops can't deal with people without pulling their guns they need to go. We are not a police state.

[rug]

6. Here's the story.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dramatic-video-shows-man-refusing-lie-police-guns-pointed/

[dilby]

14. The comments on that site are pretty frightening.

I approve of what he did but I get worried when I am lumped in with the same bunch who look to be cliven bundy supporters.

[NCTraveler]

19. Thanks for the link. Adds a lot. nt.

[marym625]

32. thank you for the link

I found that later. Frankly, the video had me so rattled I just wanted to share faster than thinking about looking for the story. Probably right there on youtube. Sigh

[leftynyc]

13. I saw this video on another site

This man's bravery brought me to tears.

[marym625]

30. me too

I was so afraid of the ending

[zeemike]

36. That is the whole reason for terror...to make you afraid.

You are supposed to be afraid of the cops...it makes you more compliant and you will not think twice about hitting the dirt when one yells at you.

We are at war now...and the war is everywhere...and forever.

[marym625]

58. so very sad and so very true n/t

[ncjustice80]

80. Anyone defending these cops needed to be MIRTed and kicked off DU.

The police are out of control. Why the hell do we have so many apologisers on a liberal website???

[marym625]

83. been wondering that myself

But there are more than a few

[leftynyc]

85. We're a pretty big tent

and I disagree with the majority of DUers on some issues so I'm pretty leery of using the ban hammer for disagreement. Everyone has their own experiences. Perhaps they're friendly with police who are good guys/gals so their instinct is to defend. I come from the state of stop and frisk so I've been complaining about police state tactics for a while now.

[riderinthestorm]

21. I was terrified for him!!! Amazing courage! Nt

[marym625]

31. Truly. So brave! n/t

[woo me with science]

25. K&R x10000000 Welcome to neocorporateAmerica.

This nightmare has been deliberately created. The conditions for this do not happen by accident.

Thank you for this OP. Also, thanks for your kind comments in response to this one, which I think is relevant here again:

Where are the politicians? Militarizing the police and creating the structures...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4959

[marym625]

28. Thanks for linking that

I almost did.

This is just, I have no words.

I can't believe anyone is DEFENDING cops pulling guns on unarmed citizens. And you just know if that man had walked forward, they would have shot him.

I can't stop shaking. This and the one sheshe2 posted the other day about Levar Jones http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025715017 Just, again, no words.

[Agony]

46. it is like a plague… and so wrong...

I can't stop thinking about this firing squad masquerading as law enforcement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017223174

it's a fricking firing squad! wtf?

[marym625]

59. Thank you for that

I hadn't seen that before. Yes, a firing squad

We are at war.

[whistler162]

50. ANd the officers knew they where unarmed

because the car remained in place and the driver was not acting odd?

The police can't read your mind and don't have x-ray vision to see that there are no weapons in the vehicle.

[marym625]

62. Seriously?

The ddriver was already on the ground. They were both out of the car. What are you advocating? Guns drawn at every pull over? AAnd if the person has done nothing wrong but does not comply with orders that are illegal just go ahead and shoot?

[whistler162]

87. You might want to actually read what the passengetr wrote

"“We were on our way to my friends house and we were at a stop light. When the light turned green my friend began to make some weird motions and really freaking me out. I told him the light was green and he had a deer in a headlights look. A deputy walked up and asked what was going on I told him he was acting weird I don’t know. He asked if we had any weapons and I said ‘no.’

At this time my friend was still doing some weird motions and finally answered the deputies question if he was okay. I had mentioned that we’re in the middle of the street and he came to and stepped on the gas and drove onto the corner. I jump out of the car and walked out with my hands up and was standing where the recording took place. Deputy drives up comes out of his vehicle with his gun drawn. That’s when I decided to record.”


Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dramatic-video-shows-man-refusing-lie-police-guns-pointed/#O5MGdI5RjXGHAY2j.99"

And again is the officer supposed to be a mind reader and know exactly what is in the mind of both men? The driver started to drive away that changed the situation and both people in the car had to bve checked.

Please put some thought into the knee jerk reactions. There are enough problems in law enforcement. When a officer handles a situation correctly, as he appears to have done in this case. Don't pile on him/her just for the fun of it.

[marym625]

89. Do not demean me

Or anyone on this thread with your holier than thou assumption that we don't understand because we disagree.

I completely disagree with you and so does the law. Absolutely zero reason to pull the gun. Even less reason not to have put it back in the holster once the driver was on the ground. Or to threaten to beat and tase the man. Disgusting, illegal behavior by the officers.

[woo me with science]

54. Going to have to reconstruct it.

Apparently 250 threads are missing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10134339

[marym625]

61. Is that what is going on?

Every post I replied to, my replies, replies to me and the OP involved, are now linking to completely different threads and different people. I click on my post and it is someone else's

[marym625]

76. That was such a great post!

I hope you are able to reconstruct it. What a damn shame. I'm sorry

[zeemike]

37. Yep, it is no accident.

They have us right where they want us...scared.

[KingCharlemagne]

27. He is very courageous. I overheard at one point his saying he had served in the

U.S. Military (Army).

I received death threats and was even physically assaulted once while protesting against the Iraq War. But at no time did the threats I received come anywhere close to the danger this man faced.

[marym625]

29. that shouldn't happen

EVER.

[damnedifIknow]

35. What can you say anymore?

Out of words.

[marym625]

65. beyond reason n/t

[rock]

38. A couple of ignorant curs

Oops! I didn't mean to insult dogs; change that to shit-asses. . One of the idiots thought "the ground" was "the floor". Bullies without peer.

[marym625]

64. I heard that

Just beyond reason

[Logical]

39. And those cops could of easily shot him and got away with it. nt

[marym625]

66. No doubt.

Would possibly have been in front of a Grand Jury and no indictment would have happened

[Android3.14]

40. Maybe if the cops sent him a message in all-caps he would have responded.

[Go Vols]

42. LOL

[marym625]

67. Yeah.

Dog forbid this should outrage anyone.

At least then when he stood for his rights, he wouldn't have had to be afraid for his life.

Calling me out to call me down is a cheap and childish thing to do. Grow up

[Android3.14]

79. Good etiquette is never childish

Information is always more palatable when the creator follows basic elements of style.

[marym625]

82. And you have decided not to be stylish

If you think that was "good etiquette" I suggest you pick up an etiquette book and actually read it.

Have a good night

[sulphurdunn]

41. When somone has a gun pointed at you,

it's not about right or wrong. It's about live or die. I admire the man's courage, but not his judgement.

[marym625]

69. I admire both

But I know I would have been down on the ground

[NutmegYankee]

43. Good for Him! This is how we make the police respect the people again.

Police need to stop treating citizens as slaves and subjects, and treat them with dignity like fellow human beings. Given that the guy wasn't driving (just a passenger), there was absolutely no reason to point a gun at him. The cop should be arrested for brandishing a firearm.

[marym625]

68. I agree

But only to an extent. Much more needs to be done. As someone said on the thread, had they shot him they would have gotten away with it

This problem is much more than just the cops.

But, yeah, what a brave man.

[NutmegYankee]

71. Shooting him would have been an epic mistake.

The outrage and fallout would have gone even more viral.

[marym625]

73. and it wouldn't have made one dawn bit of difference n/t

[heaven05]

47. I am glad

this gentleman is still breathing. Luckier than Trayvon Martin, John Crawford Jr and Michael Brown, very lucky.

[marym625]

70. and so many more n/t

[whistler162]

48. Now why would the police pull their weapons

and get real nervous. Just because "At this time my friend was still doing some weird motions and finally answered the deputies question if he was okay. I had mentioned that we’re in the middle of the street and he came to and stepped on the gas and drove onto the corner."

HINT: If you are talking with a police officer and your friend is acting odd and suddenly starts to drive off it will, to put it in hunting terms, put the officer on point. He will act accordingly until he figures out what is happening and the officer will put you and your friend in the safest position, on the ground and handcuffed. Especially if he is alone at the time.

Believe it or not the officer is not a mind reader.

[ncjustice80]

81. Are you seriously justifying this fascist bullshit?

WTF

[marym625]

84. Yeah I said something to him on

His reply further up. Don't understand why or how anyone can defend their actions. Just disgusting

[whistler162]

86. Another group of don't think about the situation

knee jerk reactions. THINK people. Look at what occurred before the second stop and the order to get out of the car and onto the ground, according to the second passenger. THINK about what could have been the alternative situation, car jacker and driver attempting to get officers attention.

[marym625]

88. a few things

First, the second passenger? I haven't read anywhere there was a third person in the vehicle.

Second, think about where we live and what our rights are.

Third, I have a big problem with guns being upholstered so easily, so often. If these officers are unable to deal with situations at a moments notice without pulling and pointing their weapons, then they should not be officers. Might as well just have gangs with weapons "policing" the streets.

Finally, just because I vehemently disagree with you doesn't mean I have not thought about it, read about or have any issues understanding it. I am very clear on this and the gun should not have been unholstered. At the very least, once the driver was on the ground it should have been put back in the holster

No excuse

[ManiacJoe]

51. Which part is the insane part?

The cop needlessly pointing the gun?
The man standing up for his rights?

[marym625]

72. The first one

Sorry, assumed that was obvious.

We are at war.

Here's a good article about police brutality and the militarization of the police

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025714476

[riverwalker]

53. we have reached a point

where unarmed innocent civilians have to plead with the police like hostage negotiators do with a psychotic sniper in a clocktower.
What is wrong with this country?

[marym625]

74. A great deal n/t

[Dont call me Shirley]

55. Police are being trained to fear the public. If you fear the "other" then harming them becomes easy

[marym625]

75. especially when there are no consequences to your actions

[TxVietVet]

77. How much longer before there will violence to end this type of crap?

I firmly believe that people will get tired of this type of crap and if the conservanazis control the power, it will end in violence. The people will get enough of this type of abuse and will end it. Permanently. By force.

I may not be around to witness it, but if this trend continues, violence will rule against the government and it's henchmen.

[marym625]

78. I don't think we're too far from that

I believe that the majority of the protesters are peaceful. But people are pissed. And many have guns. The cops act like they did during the first days after Mike Brown's murder and there may be a war on the streets of Ferguson