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Ebola can be spread through the droplets of a cough or sneeze. (Original Post) Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 OP
the family of patient zero who dealt with him are ebola negative and im sure belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #1
And? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #2
And that means it's not that easy to catch Warpy Oct 2014 #74
You should write the CDC and tell them to correct their graphic. nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #85
And you need to watch those weasel words Warpy Oct 2014 #90
Congratulations on turning the term "weasel words" into a weasel phrase. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #94
Numerous family members in Africa have caught it from the infected family members. LisaL Oct 2014 #3
we arent in africa and there may have been other factors you know since we're not in africa belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #8
Not from droplets from coughs and sneezes, they didn't. PDJane Oct 2014 #11
How do you know? LisaL Oct 2014 #27
Please explain to me, if it's so contagious, how not one American health care worker catbyte Oct 2014 #38
How many American health care workers have been treating Ebola patients until the current outbreak? LisaL Oct 2014 #80
Yeah, but Ebola was just as virulent then as it is now. Modern society intervened, catbyte Oct 2014 #82
I believe it has Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #89
It seems to be more virulent than before Mojorabbit Oct 2014 #88
Yes, because of the cultural practices involving how the bullwinkle428 Oct 2014 #44
Are you tired of being wrong on this topic yet? nt Logical Oct 2014 #97
The question for everybody at the end of the day, exposed or not exposed, is woodsprite Oct 2014 #14
ebola doesnt have the mortality rate here that it does in africa belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #17
At least at present. I'm hopeful that will remain so HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #23
i dont see why it would change - everyone that got ebloa here and got treated in time belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #25
IIRC one of the Nebraska cases was rescued from near death by a serum donation HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #29
Yes, both nurses got plasma from survivors. LisaL Oct 2014 #32
Which makes the use of such plasma a significant difference HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #37
Exactly. LisaL Oct 2014 #41
They will. The US is not Africa Warpy Oct 2014 #75
I agree that sanitation in the US significantly contributes to health HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #79
both nurses received patient plasma with antibodies magical thyme Oct 2014 #42
And Writebol was finally able to contribute. She donated to Dr. Spencer. :) KMOD Oct 2014 #47
that's good news. :-) magical thyme Oct 2014 #50
There are people in every epidemic in history who did not become infected Skidmore Oct 2014 #68
And some people smoke cigarettes all their lives and don't get cancer. So what? pnwmom Oct 2014 #78
handfull? it's all of the cases we have here in the u.s. belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #81
An African study showed that 16% of family members had gotten it. So that's not negligible. pnwmom Oct 2014 #84
Ohs no!!!!!1! notrightatall Oct 2014 #4
yea really - duct tape your windows and wear a garbage bag belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #6
But how do I go to the store? notrightatall Oct 2014 #9
you'll be ok- you'll have to wrap yourself up like a mummy belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #10
No, that's "Obamla". riqster Oct 2014 #19
No, Oh-bola! Yodeled like Ri-cola for coughs. Gotta keep up with the slurs. n/t freshwest Oct 2014 #49
I skipped my Remedial Teabaggerisms class this week. riqster Oct 2014 #64
Oh, I thought it was sung to the tune of "Lola"-- E-B-O-L-A BOLA. (my bad) nt Stardust Oct 2014 #70
rocky mountain mike from the stephanie miller show did a song parody of lola/ebola belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #83
Thanks--I'll check it out! Stardust Oct 2014 #87
But you have to poke a hole in the bag for air. To 'avoid suffocation,' the bag says. Then what? freshwest Oct 2014 #55
I'm going straight to hell for this.... Travelman Oct 2014 #76
I think you may have scored a point or two with Him with this. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #95
read the op read my response and you should be able to connect the dots belzabubba333 Oct 2014 #5
Your OP is incomplete & thus misleading. It can be spread by a SYMPTOMATIC cough or sneeze. KittyWampus Oct 2014 #7
Stop with the science crap!!! notrightatall Oct 2014 #12
The point is that it's not airborne. PDJane Oct 2014 #16
Exaggerated and incomplete. riqster Oct 2014 #13
More of the "I am not a scientist", but......I want to pretend to be one because of my fear. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #24
Fear is a far more transmissible disease than Ebola. riqster Oct 2014 #30
Tied straight into that reptilian reflex and survival mechanism. Works perfectly. freshwest Oct 2014 #57
I posted a link to a CDC publication. nt Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #43
Yes you did. And your OP did not accurately reflect it. riqster Oct 2014 #63
How so? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #66
I'm not sure, why they say that HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #73
True, but you're probably going to be able to see signs that a person Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2014 #15
Calm down, Nuke. Theoretically it possibly could spread that way, but... Nitram Oct 2014 #18
LESS THAN THREE FEET IN DISTANCE. Please clarify, this is not AIRBORNE transmission. n/y Avalux Oct 2014 #20
Maybe if they sneeze right on you and it gets into your eyes, nose or mouth. yellowcanine Oct 2014 #21
Plenty of healthcare professionals are being infected without having patients sneezing on their eyes Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2014 #59
No kidding, the question was about getting Ebola from sneezing. Pay attention. yellowcanine Oct 2014 #65
Thank you for the information, Nuclear Unicorn. Octafish Oct 2014 #22
It requires detailed and complete knowledge. riqster Oct 2014 #26
Thanks for the added detail. Octafish Oct 2014 #40
Yeah, I spent a lot of years in the medical biz, too. riqster Oct 2014 #69
a.... ccchhewwww. seabeyond Oct 2014 #28
It can also be spread via the dirty sanchez snooper2 Oct 2014 #31
I find it quite bizarre that the SheilaT Oct 2014 #33
knew this already. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #34
Every person around you this season will be spreading Historic NY Oct 2014 #35
And the flu will kill many more people than ebola gollygee Oct 2014 #36
Explained Properly Here sharp_stick Oct 2014 #39
exactly. The virus doesn't infect the entire body until very late stage, when the magical thyme Oct 2014 #48
But that does not make it airborne LynneSin Oct 2014 #45
Reading links is a good thing. freshwest Oct 2014 #53
only after the patient is symptomatic, and it would be in the later stages of the disease magical thyme Oct 2014 #46
I'm hiding under my desk with my bleach aerosol right now! Warren Stupidity Oct 2014 #51
i know. it was duct tape. we need to just start handing out bleach aerosol. cha..ching. seabeyond Oct 2014 #56
This is not a respiratory virus. jen63 Oct 2014 #52
Yet another unwarranted panic post. longship Oct 2014 #54
Relax MuseRider Oct 2014 #58
Theorectically. But not practically. And not ever in reality for patients with no or early symptoms. morningfog Oct 2014 #60
yeah your mercuryblues Oct 2014 #61
Well then keep clear of the one or two Ebola patients upaloopa Oct 2014 #62
And it can only be spread by people who Progressive dog Oct 2014 #67
duh. librechik Oct 2014 #71
Fear mongering, Nuke. Feral Child Oct 2014 #72
Double nuke. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #96
When was the last time a stranger sneezed/coughed in your face? n/t SoCalDem Oct 2014 #77
Sunday, in a restaurant. Not a rare event in a city. polichick Oct 2014 #93
Ebola doesn't make you sneeze. This is ridiculous Beaverhausen Oct 2014 #86
Tons of other things make people sneeze of course. polichick Oct 2014 #91
Yep - something to consider for sure. polichick Oct 2014 #92
 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
1. the family of patient zero who dealt with him are ebola negative and im sure
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:01 AM
Oct 2014

he was coughing at the time he was dying

Warpy

(111,241 posts)
74. And that means it's not that easy to catch
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:10 PM
Oct 2014

Most aerosolized droplets are not respiratory fluids, they come from projectile vomiting late in the disease. Mr. Duncan was able to get to the toilet in time and that's why his family didn't get sick. They don't have flush toilets in most houses in Liberia, so their families get sick.

You can't get sick from any person who is not showing symptoms.

Warpy

(111,241 posts)
90. And you need to watch those weasel words
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 01:25 PM
Oct 2014

like "may" and "might" and "could."

Try focusing on what is for a change.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
94. Congratulations on turning the term "weasel words" into a weasel phrase.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 02:06 PM
Oct 2014

Perhaps you could climb off your high horse long enough to tell me which "weasel words" I employed that inaccurately represent what is contained at the link.

I wrote --

Ebola can be spread through the droplets of a cough or sneeze.


can
kan/
verb
modal verb: can

1.
be able to.
"they can run fast"

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
3. Numerous family members in Africa have caught it from the infected family members.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:03 AM
Oct 2014

But hey, it didn't happen in Mr. Duncan's case so it can't happen, right?

 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
8. we arent in africa and there may have been other factors you know since we're not in africa
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:07 AM
Oct 2014

but go on and set your hair on fire,duct tape your windows , wear a garbage bag with your goggles

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
11. Not from droplets from coughs and sneezes, they didn't.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:11 AM
Oct 2014

I did not expect this kind of over-reaction from relatively educated people.

Frankly, it's depressing....and the original article states what is and isn't contagious.

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
38. Please explain to me, if it's so contagious, how not one American health care worker
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:07 AM
Oct 2014

has gotten sick in the 4 decades they've been treating Ebola until very recently? Sanitary conditions and cultural practices in Africa are very different than they are here. It's not common practice here for family members to care for patients in the hospital to the extent they do in Africa, nor is it common here to wash the corpse of the dead like in Africa. I am also disappointed in the hair-on-fire reaction of the American public, but it makes sense because a fearful population is an easily-controlled population, and that's just how the baggers want us.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
80. How many American health care workers have been treating Ebola patients until the current outbreak?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:25 PM
Oct 2014

Previous outbreaks were in remote areas of Africa. Therefore very small. They burned themselves out.

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
82. Yeah, but Ebola was just as virulent then as it is now. Modern society intervened,
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:30 PM
Oct 2014

Ebola hasn't changed, according to research I've seen.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
88. It seems to be more virulent than before
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:54 PM
Oct 2014

according to a Canadian study where they infected macaques. Perhaps that is the reason for the change? I am not worried about it here but I am really concerned that enough people will not volunteer and that it will become endemic over there.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
44. Yes, because of the cultural practices involving how the
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:12 AM
Oct 2014

corpses are handled in the affected African countries.

woodsprite

(11,910 posts)
14. The question for everybody at the end of the day, exposed or not exposed, is
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:15 AM
Oct 2014

Would you be willing to take that risk with yourself or your family?

I wouldn't and I hope someone wouldn't intentionally do something that would put me or my family in that situation.

Hell, I feel that way when my SIL brings her 5 vomiting, 102-degree temp running, plain old stomach bug-laden munchkins to family dinner! She says "It's only the stomach bug that's going around. It'll be gone in a few days even if you do catch it." For our 81yo father, it may not end up as 'just a stomach bug'. For all the parents there, it might be a few days off work -- paid or unpaid depending on what they do. For the kids, missing a field trip at school or having to retake a test and make up work.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
23. At least at present. I'm hopeful that will remain so
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:46 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Our facilities aren't overwhelmed, and we have sufficient high quality facilities to deal with very small numbers.

We also have had a few serum donors, who contributed to our good outcomes. The number of cases wouldn't need to get much larger to quickly out pace such donation

 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
25. i dont see why it would change - everyone that got ebloa here and got treated in time
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:49 AM
Oct 2014

here has survived - mr duncan would have survived if he wasnt brushed aside for lacking insurance

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
29. IIRC one of the Nebraska cases was rescued from near death by a serum donation
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:55 AM
Oct 2014

from a Dr who had survived Ebola. I'm not sure if the two nurses received any antiserum

The number of such survivors is limited (although each survivor builds that pool) and if the number of cases was much bigger availability couldn't keep up.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
37. Which makes the use of such plasma a significant difference
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:05 AM
Oct 2014

between the treatment for an average person in west Africa and in the US.

I hope and expect the US cases will remain small and that availability of limited resources continues to meet demand

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
41. Exactly.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:10 AM
Oct 2014

We had very few patients treated in the best hospitals.
I have no doubt that if we were to get a lot of patients, our survival rate would go downhill.

Warpy

(111,241 posts)
75. They will. The US is not Africa
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:12 PM
Oct 2014

and whole families aren't crammed into one room houses with dirt floors and no sanitation.

Viruses know no borders, but contagion in the US will be limited by our sanitation infrastructure.

Where this disease will be the worst is likely India. I hope it doesn't travel there.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
79. I agree that sanitation in the US significantly contributes to health
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:22 PM
Oct 2014

It's also true that in the US people who are seriously sick seek help. If you suspected someone you knew had Ebola that seems even more likely.

In most American homes there is a thermometer of one type or another for body temp. The onset of a 103 fever would take many people, perhaps most people with a known or suspected exposure to a person with Ebola to urgent care prior to the onset of vomiting and diarrhea, which is to say, prior to a time when the risk to spreading the infection is greatest.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
42. both nurses received patient plasma with antibodies
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:12 AM
Oct 2014

from Dr. Brantly.

Writebol also offered to donate to Vinson, but it was decided that she didn't need additional plasma. I'm happy to see Writebol as recovered to the point that she is able to donate.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
50. that's good news. :-)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:17 AM
Oct 2014

I didn't know she had donated to Dr. Spencer. Happy she is doing so much better...

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
68. There are people in every epidemic in history who did not become infected
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

and for various reasons which may have included frailty of health before infection, genetics, or environmental factors. Not every person in the nations affected in Africa gets ill with this disease either. And people survive it too. It is not unlike people being exposed to the flu. Some may get very ill with an influenza, others only mildy ill, and still others may not get ill at all. I think we need to learn more about ebola because I don't think that everything is understood about it. If we did have full knowledge of it, there would be a vaccine and a cure for it.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
78. And some people smoke cigarettes all their lives and don't get cancer. So what?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:16 PM
Oct 2014

Anecdotal evidence of a handful of cases doesn't mean anything.

 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
81. handfull? it's all of the cases we have here in the u.s.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:28 PM
Oct 2014

and it's not so anecdotal since we have doctors to tell us that they are ebola negative.

pnwmom

(108,974 posts)
84. An African study showed that 16% of family members had gotten it. So that's not negligible.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:41 PM
Oct 2014

Duncan's family was very lucky.

http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S87.full

The surviving members of 27 households in which someone had been infected with Ebola virus were interviewed in order to define the modes of transmission of Ebola hemorrhagic fever (EHF). Of 173 household contacts of the primary cases, 28 (16%) developed EHF. All secondary cases had direct physical contact with the ill person (rate ratio [RR], undefined; P < .001), and among those with direct contact, exposure to body fluids conferred additional risk (RR, 3.6; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.9–6.8).

 

belzabubba333

(1,237 posts)
83. rocky mountain mike from the stephanie miller show did a song parody of lola/ebola
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:33 PM
Oct 2014

i think he is on facebook under rocky mountain mike -

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
55. But you have to poke a hole in the bag for air. To 'avoid suffocation,' the bag says. Then what?
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:23 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
7. Your OP is incomplete & thus misleading. It can be spread by a SYMPTOMATIC cough or sneeze.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:07 AM
Oct 2014

There would have to be enough viral load in a person's system.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
16. The point is that it's not airborne.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:17 AM
Oct 2014

Yes, it can be spread through droplets IF those droplets make it into the mouth, nose or eyes of someone else.

In other words, if you haven't been caring for a person who is ill and if you are wearing protective gear, it's unlikely that you will catch it.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
13. Exaggerated and incomplete.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:13 AM
Oct 2014

[IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG] [IMG][/IMG]

The info sheet specifically says that Ebola is not transmitted via an airborne route. The droplets would have to land at very close range and directly onto a mucus membrane.

Note to all Panic Platoon members: Contact the burn unit to get treatment for those scalp burns.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
24. More of the "I am not a scientist", but......I want to pretend to be one because of my fear.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:48 AM
Oct 2014

Ludicrous.

Why are there so many science deniers and fear lovers at DU?

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
73. I'm not sure, why they say that
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:08 PM
Oct 2014

the new CDC guidance on risk says droplet transmission is low risk when outside of 3 feet

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
15. True, but you're probably going to be able to see signs that a person
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:16 AM
Oct 2014

who has enough viral load to transmit it in such a way is really ill.

(And, btw, in medical parlance, the only person who can see 'symptoms' is the person with the illness. 'Signs' are the objective, observable, and measurable effects that caregivers can see, 'symptoms' are the subjective feelings that only the sick person knows. This is why doctors and nurses ask you what your symptoms are - they have no way to know your symptoms, but they can observe and measure the 'signs' of your problem. If you're in pain, you can experience the symptom of pain, while your caregiver might notice signs indicating that you're in pain, such as you groaning or grimacing. Everybody keeps talking about 'symptomatic' patients, but only the patient themselves can tell if they're 'symptomatic'. High temperatures, emesis, etc, are 'signs'.)

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
18. Calm down, Nuke. Theoretically it possibly could spread that way, but...
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:26 AM
Oct 2014

But those drops would have to encounter a wound or other receptive site on the body. Influenza actually is spread with every breath we exhale and inhale. Has nothing to do with "drops", which don't travel through the air very far before landing on the floor because of their weight.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
21. Maybe if they sneeze right on you and it gets into your eyes, nose or mouth.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:34 AM
Oct 2014

And of course they would have had to be in a stage where they are shedding viruses. Ebola patients in that stage are not walking around sneezing on people.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
65. No kidding, the question was about getting Ebola from sneezing. Pay attention.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:45 AM
Oct 2014

How did you get from there to "the only way to get Ebola is to have someone sneeze into your eyes." Confused much?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
22. Thank you for the information, Nuclear Unicorn.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:44 AM
Oct 2014

I wonder why it bothers some DUers so much? Doesn't public safety, like democracy itself, require knowledge?

riqster

(13,986 posts)
26. It requires detailed and complete knowledge.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 10:53 AM
Oct 2014

The CDC doc linked makes it plain that actual contact with bodily fluids is STILL required to catch Ebola.

This is old information, rephrased and incomplete. Gives a mistaken impression. OP needs detail added.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. Thanks for the added detail.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:09 AM
Oct 2014

Having worked in a hospital, I was sneezed on, on occassion.

Having ridden public transportation, I was sneezed on a lot.

That's why I cover my mouth when I sneeze.

I wonder how many people don't? A lot, I've seen.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
69. Yeah, I spent a lot of years in the medical biz, too.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:49 AM
Oct 2014

And am likewise cautious. More people should cover up and use other basic precautions like you do.

Flu is a good example of a serious and deadly disease that is transmitted by air when someone sneezes. Ebola is not: it requires actual droplet-membrane contact.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
33. I find it quite bizarre that the
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:01 AM
Oct 2014

information page from the CDC makes it sound as if Ebola is spread as easily as a cold or the flu. Here's another CDC page which makes it a bit more clear just how you get Ebola: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/infographic.pdf

In the end, you can only get Ebola if you have the misfortune to be in fairly close contact with a very sick, symptomatic patient. Isn't ANYBODY out there paying any attention to the fact that none of Duncan's housemates got sick? Or that none of the patients or medical staff in the ER where he twice went while symptomatic got sick?

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
34. knew this already.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:02 AM
Oct 2014

Ebola concentrates in the lungs. When it was first talked about in the news, years ago, it was often described by how it caused the lungs to hemorrhage.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
35. Every person around you this season will be spreading
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:04 AM
Oct 2014

something mainly the flu. But the again I'd worry about pertussis, so far its killing more than ebola.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
36. And the flu will kill many more people than ebola
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:05 AM
Oct 2014

but people are all worried about ebola and can't be bothered to get a flu shot.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
39. Explained Properly Here
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:09 AM
Oct 2014

From:
http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/10/reality-check-how-catch-ebola

A question/answer session with an actual Ebola expert. Dr. Elka Muhlberger. I recommend reading the whole thing before posting panicked bits and pieces of hysteria.

Some people are claiming that to infect so many people, the virus must have moved from just bodily fluids to “airborne”…

I think there’s some confusion here. We know that some viruses — like influenza virus, and measles — are transmitted before the patient shows symptoms. Especially the measles virus, which is the winner in terms of being contagious. What these viruses do is infect the respiratory tract — that is their first target organ. That’s how they start the infection, and then they replicate or amplify themselves in cells of the upper respiratory tract. And then when we breathe, we release these viruses because they’re part of our ‘breathing air.’ There are tiny, tiny, tiny little droplets, and these droplets contain the virus. They can stretch pretty far, like a couple of feet. And that is what we call an airborne infection. If we breathe and then we shed virus with our breath.

So you don’t even need visible droplets, it’s just air?

They’re tiny little droplets in our breath. And these viral particles are part of it. This is completely different from Ebola virus. First of all, Ebola virus does not begin an infection by infecting our upper respiratory tract. The route of infection starts with little lesions in our skin, and then the virus gets in our skin, and then in our blood system, and then in these immune cells I mentioned before, which are the primary target cells. It’s also able to get into our eyes and mucosal membranes, but it does not infect the cells which we need to get infected to have an infection be airborne. Late in the infection, when the Ebola virus patients have very high viral loads, they are really really ill, way too ill to get on a train and sit there.

So you’re saying that when they’re so ill that it could be in the respiratory system, they’re super-ill, not able to go anywhere?

Exactly. The cells in the lung can be infected by Ebola virus but really late in the infection. That’s very important. As far as we know, the infection starts with the immune cells — for those who know a little more about the immune system, it’s dendritic cells and macrophages. Then it goes to lymph nodes. Then very quickly to the liver, and there it goes crazy. The liver is very crucial in Ebola virus infections because it is so heavily affected. Ebola virus also spreads to the spleen, to other organs, and then later in infection it tends to infect the cells that coat the blood vessels, and of course we have these cells in the lung as well.

So when we are infected with Ebola virus and we are really sick, then we spread the virus through all our body fluids, which includes blood, sputum, feces urine, breast milk and semen. Again, then we have Ebola virus in little droplets, which is the reason we talk about infection via droplets, but these droplets are much bigger — though they are tiny, of course — but these are much bigger than the droplets which cause aerosol-borne disease. So it’s a matter of size. And if they are bigger they cannot be transmitted over a large distance.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
48. exactly. The virus doesn't infect the entire body until very late stage, when the
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:15 AM
Oct 2014

entire immune system is broken down.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
45. But that does not make it airborne
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:12 AM
Oct 2014

Airborne means that the virus can continue to travel in the air for a period of time after leaving the host.

In advance stages of Ebola, all the fluid coming out of an infected patient is teaming with Ebola virus which would include blood, puke, tears, sweat, urine, feces and yes phlegm from coughing and/or sneezing.

The link even says that Ebola is not airborne.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
46. only after the patient is symptomatic, and it would be in the later stages of the disease
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:14 AM
Oct 2014

when the virus is taking over all the systems, as opposed to early on when it is concentrated in blood and liver.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
51. I'm hiding under my desk with my bleach aerosol right now!
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:17 AM
Oct 2014

Would somebody please let me know when the ebola zombie apocalypse is over?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
56. i know. it was duct tape. we need to just start handing out bleach aerosol. cha..ching.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:24 AM
Oct 2014

you are brilliant.

longship

(40,416 posts)
54. Yet another unwarranted panic post.
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:22 AM
Oct 2014

No! Ebola is not airborne transmissible. And it infects the bloodstream, but not the lungs.

Yet another hair-on-fire Ebola post.

Sheesh!

MuseRider

(34,105 posts)
58. Relax
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:25 AM
Oct 2014

My husband just read this to me from a football forum he is on. It was from the Drudge report, I also found it on the New York Post.

Lay people interpreting medical information, especially with the intention of causing panic, disruption or paranoia should not be listened to.

This is not news nor is it any different than anything they have said before. It is just being blown into the air like little droplets (sorry, I can't help myself) to cause everyone to panic and not forget we could ALL DIE if we do not elect tough leaders (i.e. those we are not exactly prone to vote for here).

Worry about the flu, really.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
61. yeah your
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:29 AM
Oct 2014

link says the person has to be less than 3 feet from you and coughs or sneezes in your face. Good thing Coughing and sneezing are not symptoms of the Ebola.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/symptoms/index.html

•Fever
•Severe headache
•Muscle pain
•Weakness
•Diarrhea
•Vomiting
•Abdominal (stomach) pain
•Unexplained hemorrhage (bleeding or bruising)

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
62. Well then keep clear of the one or two Ebola patients
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 11:36 AM
Oct 2014

in the country at any one time. Meanwhile you could get hit by a car tonight. There is a much better chance of that.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
86. Ebola doesn't make you sneeze. This is ridiculous
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 12:44 PM
Oct 2014

it's not a respiratory illness. The chances of anyone getting it from someone sneezing is about zero.

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