Is it possible the media is manufacturing consent for a stolen election?

[J_J_]

Everywhere we turn, Americans have been screwed over financially, they know Republicans are responsible, but media keeps telling us we will vote for them anyway.

And everywhere, Duers, Redditors etc. just say "guess Americans are stupid"


Isn't it possible, the same lying media that started two wars based on lies, is still propping up Bush as some statesman, has Republicans on Tv constantly lying about everything....could they still be lying?

They covered up the other stolen elections....why would they start telling the truth now?

In 2004, when exit polls showed exact opposite results as exit polls(the canary in the coal mine)....

media stopped doing exit polls.

The media is THE PROBLEM in this country, so why is everyone listening to their BS about how everyone is voting for Republicans now..

and when the GOP steals it again, everyone will just believe the corporate media take on the situation...?

[WinkyDink]

1. Trying. Just like they had Republican voters shocked at Obama's '12 victory.

[billhicks76]

105. We Need To Target The Media

Stop playing softball. Part of the problem is that our current leaders like Hillary and Obama are going along with this scam. One thing that needs more attention is that Electronic Voting Machines are hacked. This has been proven over and again but like many "realities" it's also not covered by the media that paints a selective picture to con the public into a corporate, fascist consumer state of mind with a smiley face. It's Friendly Fascism. Bradblog.com has excellent election fraud coverage.

[WinkyDink]

135. Agree 100%. What kind of "democracy" allows for PRIVATELY-OWNED voting machines?!

[Atman]

2. Possible and likely.

The "media" is a small handful of very, very large corporations with nothing to gain by providing health insurance or minimum wage to their employees. Why should we think they're broadcasting the truth, when lies are so much more profitable?

[hvn_nbr_2]

24. Not "possible," not "probable." Dead certain.

Just to be clear. I'm not disagreeing with you, just going farther.

[Dustlawyer]

41. True Dat! The media is one of their biggest tools in the PTB's arsenal.

They give the appearance that we have a Democracy and a Representative government, as well as shifting the blame for all of the harm that they cause to the poor and minorities. They distract us with BS whenever something they don't want us to see is happening.
I know I frequently get dismissed as a conspiracy nut because people don't want to see what is right in front of them because it is so bad, but when 6 huge, multinational corporations control almost all of what we see and hear on radio and TV, you should expect the worst.
Couple that with Super PACs and all of the campaign donations to our (their) politicians, why would you believe that the people have a say in our government? Our government has been hijacked right under our noses and many Democrats are still worried about not getting Hillary in the White House if Bernie Sanders splits the vote! I know it's about to get hot for me, but I will say it anyway, Hillary is someone that the PTB know they can work with. Unless we wake up to reality, we are doomed to keep voting for the lesser of two evils since they will always have a very nasty Republican to scare us into picking THEIR Democratic candidate!
Flame on!

[randys1]

54. You arent wrong, but the alternative to Hillary is Women hating, killing at worst, republicans

this is not an alternative I will accept, if I can prevent it by voting for the lesser, so be it.

[Veilex]

104. "alternative to Hillary is Women hating, killing at worst, republicans" - thats a false dichotomy

Your statement presume that there are no other viable candidates. No matter what arguments you make, or evidence you provide, this is not something that can be known. All we can do, this far out from the election, is playing guessing games.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. Wow, she got the nomination ALREADY?!?!?!

Did I fall into a time vortex again? FUCK!!!!!

[hopemountain]

103. agreed! today i heard chuck todd reporting that

all democrats will be supporting hillary. he said it gleefully as though he knows some big truth. ha. yes, the repubs are going to shove hillary down our throats. at least, they hope to.

[onenote]

121. I would be more than happy to get the health coverage provided by some of the big media companies

I know a lot of people who work for companies like Time Warner Inc., Disney, etc. and they have health benefits that easily outdo the benefits (and cost) of the health insurance I get through my law firm.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

3. Yes, but note that the Republicans were crowing about

their sure victory in the 2012 presidential election and how Karl Rove was visibly surprised on live TV when Ohio went for Obama. A friend of one of my Facebook friends in the South is convinced that the Dems cheated because "nobody in his (white flight suburban) neighborhood" voted for Obama.

The predictions of victory are a psychological tactic, and the constant whining about "illegal immigrants" voting and "Democrats cheating" is a pre-emptive way to explain any losses to their flock.

[J_J_]

4. unless we just got lucky, and someone stopped them from stealing it

Anonymous?

[davekriss]

55. Highly likely

The fix was in, Rove "knew" the outcome before it was to happen - until Anonymous hacked his team's access to vote tally servers.

This time (2016) they will be ready for that.

Imagine how dismal our world will be with a Republican POTUS, Republican Senate, Republucan House, Republican SCOTUS, and Republican press?

Imagine how bad it will be when we'll nominally have the White House but everything else is Republican? Obama, the grand compromiser, will make his mark by agreeing to Republican entitlement reform, tax reform, immigration reform; to funding increases for the National Security State and further encroachment on our personal freedoms. It will be a disaster for 99% if America.

Chomsky had it right in Manufacturing Consent and Necessary Illusions - and that's before the massive concentration if media in the hands of 6 mega-corporations.

I have nothing but praise for the live-streaming independent journalists (think Ferguson), but their small voices will be drowned out by the constant propaganda spewed fort daily by the 80% who get their "reality" from FoxAbcNbcCbsMSNBCCspan.

And don't forget, the PTB will throttle free discourse on the Internet first chance they get.

Boo!!

[tritsofme]

77. Wow, you would make an excellent fiction writer.

Rove and Anonymous....that is quite a story.

[nikto]

107. I agree--How could anyone think Karl Rove would ever do anything dishonest

Karl Rove try to steal an election?
My God---Never!!


Karl Rove loves America and is a wonderful human being
who has improved political integrity in America.

Rove bleeds red, white and blue.



I'm sure you love him like I do.

[liberalla]

113. Excellent fiction writer? More like ripped from the headlines...

Anonymous announced in October (2012) that they knew Karl Rove would attempt to steal the election...

And then explained afterward Rove's plan to steal the election and how they thwarted that plan.

Thom Hartmann discussed it multiple times... here's a quickie:

It was all over non-mainstream news/websites, including here at DU.

https://www.google.com/search?q=election+2012+Anonymous+Ohio+Rove&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com&gws_rd=ssl

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=2012+ohio+vote+count+servers+hacked&start=10

It's not so implausible.

[J_J_]

127. Rove's IT guy died in a small plane crash right before he had to testify on 2004 election

That would probably make a good movie....and it's true!

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/22/republican_it_specialist_dies_in_plane

[JaneyVee]

5. This is the worst, most corporate media of my life.

We have a TMZ media.

[Atman]

8. Bingo.

It makes it hard to even talk to people. Corporate Media (The Big Six) have taken over discourse in America. Most citizens don't have the foggiest notion about real issues. It's about Rhianna or Miley or ISIS/ISIL/ASHOL whatever. Ebola. Nothing of substance, never-ending-war, Rene Zellewegger's face. We're fucked.

Idiocracy, 500 years early.

[Populist_Prole]

23. You aint kiddin'

Nobody reads or thinks anymore. They're peripherally informed at best by the MSM. It's just as you say too, about it being hard to even talk to people these days. It's so easy to tell very quickly whether a person actually has in-depth knowledge of an issue or if they're just parroting the banal shit they heard some talking ( or screaming ) head say. Even the ones who try to sound informed by paraphrasing and being a pseudo-wordsmith blow their covers.

[gollygee]

6. It's more likely wishful thinking

though I think it is likely we won't do well. It seems like as far as trends go though, that would put us in better shape in '16 I guess.

I'm hoping Snyder is out in Michigan. If at least that happens, I'll be happy.

[cali]

7. how on earth do you know that the electorate "knows republicans are responsible"?

Polls indicate they blame democrats.

And yes, the American electorate as an aggregate is stupid.

I think it's cowardly to blame any potential loss on theft of the election.

[Atman]

11. I'm not worries so much about "theft." Except for the E-Voting machines.

We know, factually, that the GOP owns the electronic voting machines, which are programmed by the GOP. This is not debatable. A couple of large GOP-led corporations own the electronic voting franchise in the United States. Why we continue to focus on petty bullshit like voter ID is beyond me. It is a smokescreen. The GOP can win any election it wants, via their control of the media or their control of electronic voting. No sane, rational person thinks America wants to go back to the Bush days, but that is what the corporate media tell us, because that means profits for them. Permanent war, tax breaks for the wealthy, build your compound walls to keep out the riff-raff. We're fucked.

[RobertEarl]

18. It is cowardly to ignore the stealing

Hard to believe in this day and time that anyone could be so cowardly to deny the simple facts you have laid out, Altman.

The voting machines are owned and programmed by the republicans. Only a coward would deny the republicans would use that means to alter vote counts via their computer based counts.

[bbgrunt]

27. ....and the fact that the dems will not make an issue of the

machines makes them........?

[RobertEarl]

31. Dems have.

There has been a lot of progress made. It came because Dems pushed for it.

Problem is, elected people calling the system that got them elected as corrupt, paints their own election as corrupt. Very hard to make the point when the point is, as part of the system, you are calling it out.

Other politicians will crush you when you call out the system. So progress comes at a snail's pace.

In NC, we are now nothing but paper. 2004 we were full of e-vote and no paper. That's progress. Fla. the same. Dems made it happen.

Personally, I have run against that wall of which I speak of calling out the election system, and making everyone very uncomfortable with the facts. That is why I say that it is cowardly to deny that the system can easily be corrupted. It takes real courage to tell the truth about the system.

[J_J_]

67. our paper ballots are still counted on diebold accuvote machines

Dems tried to demand information when we had 200% voter turnout but they just altered the data, made excuses and never fixed the problem

http://juneauempire.com/stories/100606/sta_20061006008.shtml

[RobertEarl]

81. Diebold left NC

When NC passed a law that allowed some examination of the code Diebold left NC. ES&S now run most of the state's counters.

Alaska has had some bad stuff go down. It is amazing that it still happens.

Still, no place without a proper audit is safe from miscounts. Here they had an audit with a 4% discrepancy and they election people said: Oh well. Damn idiots.

[randys1]

118. Diebold steals elections, no question. But what steals elections even better is voter suppression

so go here


http://www.gregpalast.com/

And look your name up on the Jim Crow list of voter purging.

America is being attacked by an enemy, a physical attack no different really than if they had tanks and M-16's

Same result, if they are able to prevent millions of us from voting.

just sayin

[elehhhhna]

59. poll fraud must precede vote fraud, Cali

[tritsofme]

78. Good lord, how many people are in on the conspiracy?

All public polls are in on it too? Does everybody know about it except the White House and DOJ?

This thread belongs in the CT dungeon.

[midnight]

94. Some in Wisconsin are discussing the info. of pollsters and dramatic swings in voting

patterns.

"There is a misconception about election polling. It has allowed media to trumpet possibilities and opinions as fact even though the Wisconsin results are tied or swing back and forth among a dozen polling companies."

"Why is there such an (absurd) disparity? Because the Marquette Poll thinks no one who says they aren’t 100% certain to vote isn’t a “likely voter.” The amount of people who responded that they were “Very Likely” to vote are 8.9% of the registered voters, and those that said they were “50-50” about voting are 4.9% of the voters. It is reasonable to assume a majority of this 13.8% will end up voting in the November elections, especially given the amount of attention that these races are being given. But the media lazily is running with the Marquette “ certain likely voter” screen as a snapshot of what things look like, and it’s simply not true."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/108413183


http://www.democraticunderground.com/108413104

[J_J_]

63. even Rand Paul knows everyone hates republicans!

Sen Rand Paul: "The Republican Party brand sucks & so people don't want to be a Republican."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025736170

[onenote]

122. +1

[brooklynite]

9. UNREC

This "we all know" mantra about the media is tiring.

The media's primary job is to generate an audience for its advertisers, so they'll promote a close election because it's good for ratings.

[arcane1]

20. Especially when those advertisers are Super PACs with a billion in cash to spend.

[brooklynite]

22. ...which isn't being spent on the national media.

How much campaign advertising have you seen on CNN or NBC Nightly News or the New York Times? The ad dollars are going to local stations which aren't covering politics nearly as much.

[Fred Sanders]

28. BINGO. The corporate media never asks where all this new flood of money goes...to THEM!

[Phlem]

44. yep it's all about the ratings

nothing else.

[spanone]

69. and that makes for a 'we all know the media is more than fucked up' mantra

which is more than deserved.

[CK_John]

10. How do you break into over 50,000 voting districts with different ballots to

alter them. That is foolish thinking, that is why they are making it harder to vote and that was done in plain view.

We get the government we deserve.

[RobertEarl]

21. How?

Via the programming. What? You think at each of the 50,000 voting districts they program the computers?

The computers get their programming from the owners of the machines and it is sent over the web to each district where it is downloaded onto individual machines. You are not allowed to examine that programming.

[CK_John]

34. Not true. Our county has 16 towns and has to reset all machines every election.

This is done by county IT staff.

[RobertEarl]

36. Reset is not coding, or programming

Sure, the names are changed but the coding that does the adding up and processing and reporting, is done at the manufacturers home base.

[CK_John]

74. Again your wrong, NY has at least 20 parties that drop off and get re added from

election to election depending on the percentage of the votes received in the prior election.

NY City has about at least 50 different language ballots and you think some central control cabal write and sends out code to steal elections.

That totally unrealistic, plus the various type of machines from touch screen to scan ballots in use all over the world.

These companies make ballot machines for money and don't want to see them again.

We get the government we deserve.

[RobertEarl]

79. Oh?

Last edited Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:40 AM - Edit history (1)

Ask to see the code that is used.

Banks use an open code so that any employee can look at the code. The machines you are voting on have a secret code. Judges have ruled just that.

Look, DU has a code that allows you to, as you call it, reset and make additions which make your words appear here in order. Yesterday, something happened with the code and all kinds of crazy stuff was appearing on DU.

You think you could code DU? You think elections offices could code DU? Elad who codes DU is tops. The local people are not any where close to being able to code the counters. The code is written by the manufacturers of the vote counting machines.

You have a lot to learn, learn it. Go to the election forum and DU and see I am correct.

[DhhD]

96. Democrats in every county in Texas need to look into what happened in Collin County Texas

Diebold E voting machines.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/107821574
E Vote Flips D to R in Collin County Texas-Please open the blog to see the Diebold E vote machine.

[RobertEarl]

97. They sure do

The code for voting machines should be a universal open code, like banks have. That way in any one place that has errors, somebody who can read the code and find out why the error occurred, can. And fix it.

DU has Elad who does that with DU's code.

Judges have been asked by election officials to look at their broken code - most famous Sarasota Fl, 2006, and the judge said: No, it is private code.

Code can be hacked. Code can be made to switch votes.

The code, and the voting machines, should all be universal and open for inspection, that is the best way to ensure a clean count. We do not have such a system today.

For the doubters that say no way would the government allow bad vote counts... just look back to the days when Blacks could not vote to see the history of clean election denial by governments.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

26. All you need is a media to tell you who won....

Now move along citizen.

[tinrobot]

38. You don't beak into the ballot boxes, silly...

...you control the computers that count the votes.

Particularly easy when paper ballots are abandoned in favor of electronic voting.

[Hekate]

132. Electronic voting machines. Also, so easy to misplace or invalidate 50,000 or so paper ones.

Just sayin'

[Progressive dog]

12. No

[notrightatall]

13. GOTV solves it all!!

[SoCalDem]

14. winner, winner, chicken dinner

[colsohlibgal]

15. The Media Just Won't Go There

I'm 99% sure the 2004 election was flipped . All signs pointed to Kerry winning by 5-6 % and voila, it was the other way around. The polls had been pretty much on the mark historically but no matter, they got blamed.

Anonymous claims Rove was set to do the same thing in 2012, using a server in Tennessee, but they blocked him. That was why Rove had his 2012 meltdown on Fox when Ohio was called for Obama to put him over the top.

E-Voting, any Machine/Computer voting - all can be hacked. I cannot believe the democrats have been insane enough to go along with these systems. Again, we should learn from what Stalin said, that the power is not with the people who vote but rather with who counts those votes.

The only foolproof way is paper ballots with strict custody of those ballots and videotaped counting with all parties as well as neutral observers present.

The custody is vitally important, republicans have been prosecuted for tossing votes in the trash.

[99th_Monkey]

45. +100 ~nt~

[freshwest]

16. More than likely. Remember election night in 2000? When Rather read the exit polls, which had always

been respected, but then Fox came out and said NOOO!!! and soon he retracted.

No doubt Jack Welch, who said Gore was running to take care of welfare mothers and must be defeated, had no small role to play in that. Not to mention Roger Ailes. They run anti-Democratic programming 24/7/365 days a year for a reason. To get Democrats demoralized and Republicans inspired.

It's a year long propaganda war. If people overcome the lies and Libertarian memes all year, they can think for a while. But too many don't. GOP/Koch dollars are very active year around from the grassroots. Or astroturf, one might say.

But it ends up in real power for them when they vote. So yeah, they might steal it, but only with votes.

[valerief]

17. Media is OWNED by the assholes who pay to steal elections. Good point

about exit polling. I'd forgotten that used to be done.

[arcane1]

19. They want that Super PAC cash, that's why!

The media is getting super rich from all those tens of thousands of television ads.

[blkmusclmachine]

25. The media are owned by the 1%, and they have an agenda to sell to the unwashed masses,

and their vote "counting" machines to make sure it happens the way they want it to.


#14 of the

14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism:

Fraudulent Elections


http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

[SidDithers]

29. Could you please use a different source for the list of 14...

It's available on lots of sites.

rense is the worst of the worst when it comes to CT sites. DU shouldn't be directing any traffic their way.

Sid

[brooklynite]

32. Those are the same machines that allowed the Dems to win in '06, '08 and '12, right?

[Elmergantry]

48. You just had to do it?

Injecting reason into an argument. Thats why we cant have anything nice.

[joanbarnes]

30. Yes, of course. I NEVER believe the 'statistically tied' polls. NO ONE votes Republican!

[noiretextatique]

33. possible?! nope...actual

that's exactly what is happening.

[Phlem]

35. Of course.

the media is almost all owned by private corporations, like the ones buying our government. Why wouldn't they? Calling races close that in reality are not, leaves room for voting fuckery. But since they called it "close" they have the benefit of doubt when the Democrat loses.

On top of that, even if we win the election they get a corporate friendly neo-liberal President. They've got it either way.

That's just one example.

[Enthusiast]

40. "voting fuckery" is an excellent term.

[CJCRANE]

37. “Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear.” Edgar Allen Poe.

[Enthusiast]

39. The media. Believe me, this crossed my mind.

Remember how the GOP was overwhelmed in the 2006 election? The people had enough of their shit.

This time, even though the Republicans have boldly engaged in election fraud and voter suppression, they might find that it didn't quite work as well as they expected.

There is no way the American people can't see through their bullshit.

We might be some dumb but we ain't plumb dumb.

[FiveGoodMen]

42. That's certainly what I've been thinking.

[asjr]

43. The Koch brothers own the media as well as the Republicans.

[Blue_In_AK]

46. I haven't understood why they've been so anxious to write off Mark Begich

when he's seldom been outside of margin of error. I still believe he's going to win.

[J_J_]

66. maybe they are planning more votes than registered voters again

Wonder if we'll have 200% voter turnout in almost half of our districts again...

They altered the election data in 2004 and never had to explain themselves, and nothing has changed since then
http://juneauempire.com/stories/100606/sta_20061006008.shtml

[Blue_In_AK]

72. Yes, I remember that.

I always wondered how Lisa managed to get re-elected (or actually elected the first time, since daddy appointed her) the same year that people voted overwhelmingly for special elections instead of gubernatorial appointments.

[99th_Monkey]

47. Abso-fucking-lutely!

It is beyond me why the Democrats have let GOP election fraudsters worm their way into our American voting booths, via e-votie rigging.

As noted upstring, Kerry really won in 2008, and the only reason Obama won in 2012 was that Anonymous out-hacked KKKarl Rove, i.e. blocked his server from doing what it was trying to do on election night.

[moonbeam23]

49. It's MORE than possible

it's probable...nothing has gone well in this country since Baby Bush stole the election in 2000...get ready for Brother Bush to steal the 2016 election...

Just hoping that if Anonymous did save us in 2012 that they can continue to save us...

[AZ Progressive]

50. When the Media wants something, it gets it

I always remember how swiftly and effectively they destroyed Howard Dean's campaign, over a bunch of nothing (the dean scream scandal was total bullshit!) The media declares something and many seem to just follow.

[Phlem]

51. PS. You are fed news, you don't get news from the MSM

You have to do your do diligence to actually get real news. Also lack of reporting is another manipulation trick.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

52. More than "possible". I would argue that they are deliberately doing this.

Also, it is more discouraging that so-called liberals and/or Democrats are doing the same.

Note the difference between the parties: Republicans could be 10 points behind but you'll NEVER hear them admit they're losing. Even when it was clear that Mitt Romney had no chance in hell (remember, he had to win all 9 swing states to win) the media, including MSNBC were running scared, suggesting that Obama will lose; Romney will take PA, VA, and OH or whatever the scenario was.

The media is the problem, but this defeatist attitude spills over into all domains of the Democratic Party. Even right here on DU, Democrats have this sense of inferiority that we must get over.

[SoapBox]

56. What you said.

Why is it so difficult for Dems, Libs and Progressives to get some "brass" AND a spine?

Sheesh.

[randys1]

58. Yep, cons will never give up and they lie about everything, by our nature we tell the truth

and we also admit defeat too easily.

Here is what happens if the cons get the Senate, for two years ANY person who relies in ANY way on our government, and many great and deserving people do, Veterans especially, will suffer in ways that we cant imagine yet since our side would NEVER consider shutting down the government.

President Obama will be given a choice, destroy ACA or starve people relying on the government and take the blame either way.

So if you are middle class, dont worry, you will be fine for those two years.

So why vote...no biggie

[heaven05]

53. I entirely believe

you hit the nail on the head about the media, 2000 the big theft-2003wmd madness, even the NYT was in on that lie among others to justify an illegal invasion of another sovereign nation -2004 another big theft. But people don't want to wake up. I won't believe...if 2014 ends up a total GOP victory or the media giving us numbers on voter turnout. They have been bought and totally compromised by RW MONEY. Period.

[hoosierlib]

57. Been saying for weeks that the polls are flawed..

Most of the major polls are modeling their voting composition on 2010 turnout ratios / electorate composition. I fully expect overall turnout to be higher than 2010, but lower than 2012 in most battleground states with more Democrats voting (thus resulting in a more democratic electorate). Eraly voting trends in FL, NC and LA already support this hypothesis and the GOTV is markedly better than what I saw in 2010. Barring a last minute negative news event, I think we will shock the world by holding the Senate (52 or 51 seats) and recapturing 6 - 7 governorships. Have faith and get as many people to the polls as possible.

[Vilis Veritas]

60. More like obfuscation...

If the media can create confusion or directly foster confusion among their consumers then they minimize their culpability by the simple fact that regardless of the outcome the media will have the needed cover for their message due to persistent obfuscation.

A long time ago before the name changes I wrote an OP, one of the few I ever wrote...there is some interesting stuff in the OP that is particularly germane to your question and directly corresponds to my answer (some maybe not so much, you can decide).

I had to use Google to find it...been a long time since I even went down that hole.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3390339

v v

I shall go back to my corner now...

[stillwaiting]

61. This will ALWAYS be possible until we fix our election mechanism.

Even if they don't do it at all OR do it on a limited basis in a few locations, the potential is there to do so on a much larger scale if they need to, and they will do so if they need to. I do believe they have stolen at least a few elections over the past decade (and there is a chance they have stolen more than a few).

We MUST fix our election system before we will ever have a fair chance at electing a progressive government. The corporatists OWN the election counting system. They will never let a truly progressive government form. Never. If the progressive movement DOES occur in this country, but the election mechanism still exists as it does today, then they WILL steal elections. Then, we will all be told that we can't have progressive government and enough people will believe it to ensure that becomes a reality.

It's such an important reform that needs to take place. Now.

[Bluenorthwest]

71. We don't have an election mechanism, we have one in each State, which vary greatly and

which can be improved by effort on the part of citizens of that State. Nothing I can do about your State, you however could do a lot.

[stillwaiting]

75. This is the second time that you have communicated with me in a condescending manner.

You are without a doubt one of my least favorite posters.

You really need to work on your communication skills. I have no doubt that you piss people off often in your life. I have seen you interact with MANY other posters in the same way, so my opinion of you is colored much more by that than the two personal instances I have referenced. You are sanctimonious, condescending, and extremely rude.

I am sorry if you are unhappy in your life (which is probably likely), but we are done communicating. You're on ignore, and I'm sorry that you represent gay people with so much negative energy. Thankfully, there are many other gay people (myself included) who don't communicate in the manner that you do.

You have no idea what I do to change the electronic voting that takes place in my area AND around the country. You should NEVER presume to tell people what they should or can do when you don't know them. Conduct unbecoming.

It feels good to know that I won't see you responding so rudely to others ever again. Feel free to respond here and get the last word, BUT I won't see it.

[Bluenorthwest]

116. Your personal attack is without merit. What I said was just factual.

Sorry if the facts bother you to the point of anger but they remain the facts. Your diatribe utterly uncalled for. And of course you played the gay card, because when speaking of election rules, that's really on point....

[Seeking Serenity]

62. Let's see: 2012, Obama is re-elected

"The People have spoken! And Karl Rove was wrong, wrong, wrong! Woo hoo!"

2014: The GOP (maybe) wins back the Senate.

"We wuz robbed!"

C'mon, really?

[PeaceNikki]

65. Exactly - 2008 and 2012

It couldn't POSSIBLY be that Democrats suck ass at turning out for midterms. Nah.

I really hate how DU pushes the meme that there *MOST DEFINITELY POSITIVELY IS ELECTION FRAUD IN EVERY SINGLE ELECTION WE LOSE* bullshit. It pisses me off and has caused trolls here to create throw away accounts just to be assholes to me about it.

I am in WI and DU *insisted* that our SC race was stolen after the incompetence of my County Clerk's incompetence. I participated in the recount EVERY DAY and really wanted to find evidence of fraud. There wasn't any. People on DU do not understand how hard it would be to facilitate in a state like WI where we have paper trail requirements and VERY few votes are cast electronically. Yes, most are counted electronically, but after having audited my county ballot by ballot in that election and observing/working every one since, I know that it would be a monumental task to commit fraud and it would involve a number of people.

And I fear for the damage caused by people who insist the GOP (or Dems) can and do commit fraud. All it does is encourage people NOT to participate in an allegedly rigged system. Here's a thought instead: if you think it's rigged, become part of the process. Volunteer and/or work for your community to be an election judge and/or observer.

(not directed at you, obvs)

whew. </rant>

[KingCharlemagne]

98. Awesome rant. If the people who complain that elections are stolen really believed

their own rhetoric, one would expect to find them committing acts of civil disobedience or, as you point out, at least getting involved in the trenches and not just sitting around banging at their keyboards. Personally, I don't feel the Republicans need to 'steal' elections after ballots have been cast. I think they're very effective local political operatives, making sure the franchise is highly restricted, starting at the lowest level of political organization, school boards and municipalities, and consolidating their power before trying for larger gains, gerrymandering pocket boroughs that concentrate Dems and Republicans into discrete districts to cut down on anti-incumbency sentiment, and, most important, swallowing their differences to present a 'united front' at election time.

Democratic party discipline almost seems oxymoronic when a crypto-fascist like Christie gets Democratic mayoral endorsements. I mean, WTF? The Democratic candidate for NJ governor, Ms. Bonano, was a fine candidate and would have made a wonderful governor for New Jersey. So why were those Dems basically shitting on the very idea of a political party? More to the point, do you think Republicans would allow their cadre to behave in the same way?

Having said I respect their organizational prowess and message discipline, I despise everything the Republicans stand for. But one can despise something and yet still recognize its effectiveness.

Finally, I wanted to say "thank you" for the yeoman's work you performed. Like you said, you had every reason to find electoral fraud and could not find it. Sometimes, as Freud pointed out, a cigar really is . . . just a cigar.

[J_J_]

125. she 'watched' an election where a hand recount was demanded

The bags to be counted were torn, overstuffed, had the wrong numbers on the bags and yet she thought that was perfectly acceptable.

[mountain grammy]

64. Oh, I think it's very possible, with the amount of campaign cash that flows their way..

[AzDar]

68. Quite possibly. When I hear of the "overwhelming " odds that the Repubs are set to take over

And the MSM narrative that it's inevitable, I soothe myself with the knowledge that if they do, they will fuck things up so profoundly, as usual, that the resulting backlash may actually trigger REAL change.

A girl can dream, can't she?

[onenote]

128. I remember hearing predictions that the Democrats would take control in 2006

[BKH70041]

70. A "The election was stolen!!" thread prior to the election taking place.

Cool!

Election night should be fun.

(Note to self: Remember to buy some more of this - )

[raven mad]

73. Have you not heard of perception management?

Of course it's possible. More likely, probable.

[J_J_]

76. "Accept Defeat" <--- newest DCCC fundraising email

look who is helping

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025736826

[tritsofme]

80. Well duh, anytime any Democrat anywhere loses any election, it is vote fraud.

I read it on the DU.

Especially if I really like the candidate, then I know for sure it was vote fraud! How could anyone ever disagree with me?

Just vote for chrissake! What a bunch of nonsense.

[RobertEarl]

82. Why?

Because the republicans are known for stealing elections.

And republicans own the vote counting companies.

And what you said is total BS about any time a Dem losses. You should delete that and quit posting such BS.

[tritsofme]

84. And Obama's Justice Department is just fine with it?

They are taking action to prevent Republican suppression and intimidation where they can, but you pointedly do not see them pursuing the sort of CT nonsense in this thread.

[RobertEarl]

85. What CT?

Describe what you are talking about. Just because you think republicans don't steal elections, no one else has to believe the same.

So spell out what you think is CT.

[tritsofme]

86. Post #59 in this thread for starters.

[RobertEarl]

88. Spell it out

How is it you interpret it in your mind, the mind that can't admit republicans steal elections?

You made a statement about 'anytime' and this all belongs in the dungeon, so spell it out. Y'know type it out.

[tritsofme]

90. Not sure what you're looking for.

I don't think there is a massive and ongoing conspiracy to steal elections, that everyone including public pollsters is in on, but that the White House, Justice Department, and the Democratic candidates whose elections are systematically "stolen" are somehow the only ones oblivious to the situation.

[RobertEarl]

95. You don't think?

So, in your mind the republicans do not and never did conspire to steal elections, buy any press, or otherwise do anything under cover to win elections. Ok fine. But you are like the only one ever who is not a republican... are you?

I guess you also think everyone in government would never look the other way when presented with a crime?

[Rex]

83. I think a large part of the reason the GOP gets elected is due to the enormous efforts

the M$M goes to to make Dems look weak and GOPukers look like viable candidates. Of course the people that own the media are all real conservative assholes...but no doubt that is mere coincidence. NOT.

[loudsue]

87. Is the Pope catholic?

Of COURSE the media is trying to claim victory!!! The republicans ARE the media, the military, the banks, the insurance & oil companies.

[workinclasszero]

89. The bastards are owned by the 1% corporate vultures

They tried like hell to elect Mittens too. Nothing has changed since then.

[gregcrawford]

91. I'm glad someone else is saying this out loud

You nailed their asses to the barn door! Even media sources that are supposed to be progressive are parroting the same crap, hoping it will be a self-fulfilling prophesy, and/or a preemptive cover up, as you suggest. Might be a little bit of both.

[tiptonic]

92. don't forget the Karl Rove factor

Yes, sounds like it to me. Remember: up is down, front is back, black is white, because the media says so.

[certainot]

93. limbaugh rattled off a list of dem election fraud 'evidence' today so it may be

they're also getting ready for challenges to dem wins in which the radio gods will scream foul and get out the mobs. and the media will call it popular outrage

[Cha]

99. Oh they Lying.

[maced666]

100. Diebold.

Say no more...

[brooklynite]

120. Democratic wins in 2006, 2010 and 2012 on the same voting machines....

Say no more...

[davidn3600]

101. We thought the same in 2010

Reality is, the Democrats have yet to have a good election day when Obama is not on the ballot.

Obama pulls out the youth, the minorities, and the women. Not only is he not on this ballot, but his popularity is down and the public has a lot of anxiety over Ebola and concerns over ISIS. Plus the party out of power tends to win in the states during mid-terms. So this all benefits the GOP.

[elleng]

102. Yes.

[barbtries]

106. self fulfilling prophecy.

i am constantly amazed that anyone thinks the republicans could possibly be good for the country or that even one of them gives a rat's ass about the people. media is owned. the good guys are losing.

[Warren DeMontague]

108. Doubtful. More likely we're seeing standard 2nd term midterm anti-WH sentiment combined with the fallout

From the 2010 redistricting along with GOP gerrymandering efforts.

We never had a real shot for the house, this time, and the Senate is still up for grabs. But the Administration flubbed a couple crucial plays this fall, which hasnt helped.

[onenote]

129. uh-oh. a voice of reason in a freak out thread.

[Corruption Inc]

110. The corporate media is manufacturing consent for their own profits, period

The repuke/conservative approach they pretend to have is a purposeful fraud so they don't piss off advertisers. The media could care less about reality, elections, rational thinking, or any outcome other than money going into their pockets.

The corporate media is a show, a great big piece of agitprop with a conservative message to sell out to whomever pays you.

[bobGandolf]

111. NO F*&%ing Kidding!

I was just talking to my wife about this last night. I really believe there is merit to what you say.

[madokie]

112. Why else would they report all this bullshit if not

How can anyone with two brain cells to rub together not see how the problems are mostly republiCON made. All on purpose to make this President look bad, the hell with whats good for the country. So in that vein how in the hell can the republiCONs be winning?

Black box voting machines, both voting machines and counting machines, dark money in elections and a press who lie like a rug to us and you have a recipe for a disaster in the making.

[J_J_]

123. seriously, income inequality is out of control, and no one could possibly believe

that Republicans will fix the problem.

It is very common knowledge that Republicans work to distribute wealth upwards, so I just don't beleive anyone is so stupid as to vote for them.

All they care about is tax cuts and wars, everyone can see that.

Not to mention, the whole lot of them have been acting like immature entitled assholes who never developed past the 3 year old stage of me me me mine mine mine.

There is no freaking way that people are so stupid as to look to them to solve problems.

[Botany]

114. yes

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the false story that Obama is very unpopular and that people want to
vote republican to send him a message is all over the place.

[J_J_]

130. Even if Obama is unpopular, he has been forced to deal with the problems the GOP left behind

They can parade W on TV like he was a great president, but everyone knows he lied us into a war, gave tax cuts drove us into debt during two wars, and ISIS is because of his fuckup...I could go on.

The things people don't like about Obama, spying, patriot act etc started with Bush...so they will not turn to the GOP for help.

If anything people will not vote if they are angry at Obama, but they will not vote for selfish sociopaths just because Obama did them wrong.

[Pharaoh]

115. It is very clear to me

the system is now rigged.

[DesertDiamond]

117. This has been my thought since 2000! That's about when they started the whole

"Democrats don't come out to vote" thing, as I recall. I believe they DO come out but their votes are disappeared and we are given that old line that they just didn't come out.

Yep, they are trying for another stolen election. We need to find a way to have our own count of who actually votes and, if possible, who they voted for, so that when the bogus numbers come out we can dispute them, and FIGHT FOR IT!!

[brooklynite]

119. Except that voting attendance is generally a matter of public record...

...add to that, I've been told depressed turnout is a reality y REAL people...candidates, elected officials and party heads.

[B Calm]

124. Turnout for democrats in midterm elections historically never have been good.

[SidDithers]

126. Dude, you're just recycling your old posts now...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1633542
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1537649
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1792985



Sid

[Hekate]

131. I notice that the GOP is still the default party in the eyes of the MSM

Shows up continually in reports, commentary, and interviews.

Makes me sick and cynical -- wonder if that's part of the point?

[J_J_]

133. Makes me sick and cynical- yes that is exactly their point

And they want us to all watch them destroy our country while we think 'well everyone else must by idiots'

What if, we are not all idiots, they are just lying and stealing elections.

In my red state, more republicans are waking up. The comments sections are filled with angry Republicans and Democrats and about 1% support Koch corrupt plants.

The people that support Koch plants are obviously paid stooges because they do not understand basic things about our state and keep saying the same damn thing they can say in any of the 'oh my gawd he was the deciding vote on Obamacare' states.

But the one thing the media does have going is everyone believing them, even after all of the lies, the wars, John McCain on every Sunday...people seem to think if they are on tv they must have credibility.

Are people actually seeing Republicans growing stronger in their community?

Or is everyone just seeing duck dynasty idiotic media bullshit and thinking everyone must like it and be that stupid?

The media killed Occupy by pretending the protesters had no point, and were just a bunch of idiots.

The will kill our country if we let them.

[Arkana]

134. Ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Occam's Razor would say in this situation that Americans are just idiots with short memories.

I'm going with that.