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The third way is (Original Post) SwampG8r Oct 2014 OP
Third Way Dems are to the right of Truman Republicans. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #1
I'd call them Eisenhower republicans. They were amazing on labor, safety net, immigration and civil pampango Oct 2014 #12
Editing demwing Oct 2014 #22
Indeed, both were reasonable in contrast to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Romney, et al. NYC_SKP Oct 2014 #23
So, dump Jeanne Shaheen and Kay Hagan, right? brooklynite Oct 2014 #2
Of course. We all know a 'progressive' candidate would win big in those red states. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #4
The problem with strawmen.... daleanime Oct 2014 #14
Sorry to be a spelling Nazi but progressoid Oct 2014 #3
Time to stop trying to divide the party and GOTV. The election is Tuesday. FSogol Oct 2014 #5
Tuesday I will SwampG8r Oct 2014 #7
I've been delivering Connelly and Warner signs all week. On election day, I set up the FSogol Oct 2014 #8
I'm glad SwampG8r Oct 2014 #20
Oh I see. Phlem Oct 2014 #15
Who's trying to divide? Depends upon the perspective doesn't it? A Simple Game Oct 2014 #16
The election is Tuesday. It is too late to primary the candidates. Show up and vote for everyone FSogol Oct 2014 #17
I will vote for the candidates I think are best for America, you can vote for whomever A Simple Game Oct 2014 #19
Third way - Embaressed Republicans also responsible for screwing up good legislation time and Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #6
Exactly. Phlem Oct 2014 #13
Yep. But, they've convinced some people that being "not is bad" wins elections. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2014 #9
You betcha!! pocoloco Oct 2014 #18
A group of traitors FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #10
A bunch of corporate conservative triangulating opportunistic hypocrites Fumesucker Oct 2014 #11
a successful experiment in bad compromises stupidicus Oct 2014 #21
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Third Way Dems are to the right of Truman Republicans.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:15 AM
Oct 2014

And modern Republicans are in some kind of circle of hell.

The Republican platform of 1956 was more progressive than the DLC.

On Labor and Wages: The platform boasted that “the Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen’s compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.” It called for changes to the anti-union Taft-Hartley Act to “more effectively protect the rights of labor unions” and to “assure equal pay for equal work regardless of sex.”

On Welfare and Health: The platform demanded “once again, despite the reluctance of the Democrat 84th Congress, Federal assistance to help build facilities to train more physicians and scientists.” It emphasized the need to continue the “extension and perfection of a sound social security system,” and boasted of the party’s recent history of supporting “enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.”

On Civil Rights, Gender Equality, and Immigration: The platform supported “ self-government, national suffrage and representation in the Congress of the United States for residents of the District of Columbia.” With regards to ending discrimination against racial minorities, the party took pride that “more progress has been made in this field under the present Republican Administration than in any similar period in the last 80 years.” It also recommended to Congress “the submission of a constitutional amendment providing equal rights for men and women.” Its section on immigration actually recommended expanding immigration to America, supporting ”the extension of the Refugee Relief Act of 1953 in resolving this difficult refugee problem which resulted from world conflict.”

http://boldprogressives.org/2012/08/the-surprisingly-progressive-republican-party-platform-of-1956/

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. I'd call them Eisenhower republicans. They were amazing on labor, safety net, immigration and civil
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:42 AM
Oct 2014

rights issues.

It's hard to imagine a GOP that ever boasted about raising the minimum wage, expanding Social Security, increasing retirement benefits, called for "changes to the anti-union Taft-Hartley Act", an end to racial discrimination and an expansion of immigration.

Those are all 'socialist' ideas to the modern GOP.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
23. Indeed, both were reasonable in contrast to Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Romney, et al.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:44 PM
Oct 2014

And the Dems who have slid to the right now occupy the void that was once, arguable, the domain of many Republicans.

It's messed up.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
7. Tuesday I will
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:31 AM
Oct 2014

Be driving a van all day to various locations and carrying nice old voters to the polls.
What do you do to actually gotv other than discussion board hectoring of those you disagree with?

FSogol

(45,453 posts)
8. I've been delivering Connelly and Warner signs all week. On election day, I set up the
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:04 AM
Oct 2014

Democratic table, set out all the literature and work the first shift passing out sample ballots.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
15. Oh I see.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:56 AM
Oct 2014

The Voters are the ones trying to divide the party.

Must black is white, up is down day.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
16. Who's trying to divide? Depends upon the perspective doesn't it?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:00 PM
Oct 2014

The first line of the DU mission statement in the About section at the bottom of every DU page.

Democratic Underground is an online community where politically liberal people can do their part to effect political and social change by:
The bold is mine.

A mission statement means something and is usually the most thought out piece of literature put out by an organization.

FSogol

(45,453 posts)
17. The election is Tuesday. It is too late to primary the candidates. Show up and vote for everyone
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:03 PM
Oct 2014

with a (D) after their name regardless of purity.

Everyone can return to their game of, "I'm more liberal than you" or "my ideas are more pure than yours" after the election.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
19. I will vote for the candidates I think are best for America, you can vote for whomever
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:10 PM
Oct 2014

you think is best for... whatever you think is best.

The only way the best candidates win is if you vote for them. It's not a hard principle to understand.

 
6. Third way - Embaressed Republicans also responsible for screwing up good legislation time and
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:23 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:24 AM - Edit history (1)

time again.

We could have had single payer but the Third Way, Centrist, Conservative, Blue Dog, Moderate Dems would not allow it to happen.

WE would be better off without them

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
9. Yep. But, they've convinced some people that being "not is bad" wins elections.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:19 AM
Oct 2014

And, that if all you're interested in is "winning" elections you should vote for them.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. A bunch of corporate conservative triangulating opportunistic hypocrites
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:38 AM
Oct 2014

There's also a negative side.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
21. a successful experiment in bad compromises
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 01:31 PM
Oct 2014

likely intended from the start to be little more than a brake on the inevitable, and to facilitate the continuing growth in income/wealth inequality. The larger both are when a reversal occurs, the bigger it will be when the dust settles so to speak, leaving them (the 1%) still kings of the mountain of cash and influence. http://blogs.rollcall.com/beltway-insiders/billionaires-dominate-campaign-spending-crp-reports/?dcz= http://truth-out.org/news/item/27154-in-depth-how-big-business-buys-state-courts

For the American people, the moral of this story couldn’t be clearer: If we don’t get money out of politics, we’ll lose our democracy altogether. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40105.htm


Is there any doubt that the creators of the Saint Raygun revolution were far from clueless about the result of their work product we see all around us today?

I've long thought and argued that the reason for the uptick in rightwingnut extremism in recent years, e.g. the creation of the Pea Party, has more to do with the preservation of wealth and therefore political power accumulation and preservation than anything else, with an eye towards the likely major erosions that AGW is likely to result in given the "socialistic" solutions it is gonna require. All the recent "I'm not a climate scientist!" BS http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/2014/05/31/if-your-local-politician-says-im-not-a-scientist/ coming from their pols and pundits is nothing more than the first pillow being tossed down to cushion the fall for themselves and to prepare their frothing minions for the costs and offense to the ideolological mandates their Frankenstein Monsters have lapped up like poisoned Ambrosia in relatively recent years. Put simply, imo AGW is inevitably gonna compel/be the end of modern rightwingnuttery as we know it. It's not a question of if but rather when...

The simple fact of the matter is however, unless and until the moral of this story is accepted and acknowledged and acted upon, and money taken outta our politics, they are still gonna wield the most influence and be in a position to slow the reduction in human misery and worse that remedial actions on AGW will result in. This is not to say of course that they wouldn't have followed the same course absent AGW, just that AGW represents a foil to their desires of keeping all of their ill-gotten gains, and one they have long been acutely aware of. That's why they've been so shamefully dishonest in their anti-climate science efforts -- it's a threat to their trillions still in the ground, as well as the MIC that is geared towards pumping it out. One of the most bewildering things to me is how the DoD for years has been sounding the alarm on climate change, and yet they are used for little these days but expanding and perpetuating the empire that requires Texas Tea and more.

All of this is of course why so many of us see all the recent NSA revelations as being more about efforts to quell the equally inevitable social unrest that AGW will bring with it, as opposed to the "keeping us safe/phony war on terror" BS it is justified by.

The turdway has been nothing more than an addition of sprinkles to the rightwinger turd that has made it palatable to millions lacking the figurative olfacory sense to smell it, or that like the sprinkle icing enough to eat the turd cake too. The baubbles/icing they've provided along the way have placated and produced enough supporters to allow the robbery like that which has occurred during the last "recovery".

How much solace should be taken in or praise offered for the fact that we didn't go off the cliff with the knowledge that the 1% is the one holding the rope representing their gains that we're all effectively lassoed by, now and into the future as long as the money is speech doctrine survives, given that their political survival is every bit as dependent on it as is their rightwinger cousins? To their monied masters, the rightwingnuts are their warriors, and the turdwayers usefull and expendable idiots when their need for votes requires requires stepping into lefty territory bearing gifts. In this cneter-left country left we live in though, it's rather clear at this point that the monied masters woulda never been successful but for the good cop/bad cop game the turdwyaers have played an intergal role in foisting upon a far too ignorant or distracted public, much as they wouldn't have without the "liberal" media.

This is why turdwayers are often as immune to facts and logic as their rightwing cousins -- to accept and acknowledge their role in our current plight is to drown in the Sea of Shame...
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