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He killed a state trooper, was armed but was still captured alive.... (Original Post) HipChick Oct 2014 OP
. . . what is WHITE, Alex? Lex Oct 2014 #1
... Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #2
Ding Ding Ding flamingdem Oct 2014 #3
DUzy! pinboy3niner Oct 2014 #4
Thread winner malaise Oct 2014 #10
You forgot... what is Christian, Alex? Fawke Em Nov 2014 #55
Also forgot - Right-wing Scootaloo Nov 2014 #58
If the OP is talking about whistler162 Nov 2014 #71
The OP provided a link Lex Nov 2014 #75
So you don't get the point.. okay whistler162 Nov 2014 #77
Not all cops rock Nov 2014 #80
Your point is that a few exceptions means the over-whelming majority is erased? Lex Nov 2014 #81
I think the reason this guy is not dead is because Jenoch Oct 2014 #5
Absolutely correct. still_one Oct 2014 #6
Not correct. femmocrat Oct 2014 #18
Plus he hadn't stolen any cigarillos or jaywalked. There's that to consider. - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #7
He was hiding in the woods. Jenoch Oct 2014 #8
Or to steal cigarillos. - nt KingCharlemagne Oct 2014 #9
There are more jays in the woods than in town. Thus, more jay walking. lob1 Oct 2014 #29
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #14
and he was white valerief Oct 2014 #13
Correct... butterfly77 Oct 2014 #24
Randy Weaver is white. They didn't kill him; they killed his white wife who didn't hurt ANYONE, and cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #31
Good luck AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #39
Good luck trying to subert evidence. Fawke Em Nov 2014 #57
This thread is about someone else. Who is Randy Weaver? valerief Nov 2014 #63
A man who had his family murdered by the FBI, ATF and the justice dept on his own property scarystuffyo Nov 2014 #64
Oh, yeah, one of those insane militia apocalypse guys. nt valerief Nov 2014 #65
If you want to look at it that way scarystuffyo Nov 2014 #66
But do you see the point that was being made? ecstatic Oct 2014 #15
Exactly... butterfly77 Oct 2014 #25
many don't want to see it JI7 Oct 2014 #34
Yep, that is probably the most accurate explanation: Occam's Razor has it's uses. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #21
But but but malaise Oct 2014 #11
No matter what is said here about his capture...we all know what 99% of America is really thinking.. kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #12
I doubt 99% AnalystInParadise Oct 2014 #40
And what is that? nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #42
Oh, yeah they are. Even the naysayers on this thread are thinking the SAME thing BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #79
But...but he didn't try to wrestle officers gun away... maced666 Oct 2014 #16
Nor did he try to reach for his license... BklnDem75 Oct 2014 #19
What's your point? blue neen Oct 2014 #17
This is possibly the best response anyone ever could have typed to this OP. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #22
Good post. nt cwydro Oct 2014 #26
+10 840high Oct 2014 #35
The point, since you didn't get it, is obvious. kwassa Oct 2014 #37
Actually, I did get it. blue neen Nov 2014 #60
U.S. Marshal Service gladium et scutum Nov 2014 #83
The point is the different standards exercised by police Scootaloo Nov 2014 #59
Thanks, Scootalo. blue neen Nov 2014 #61
John Allen Muhammad and Lee Malvo killed 10 people, injured 3, and were armed Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #20
Randy Weaver's wife was white, and she didn't hurt ANYONE. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2014 #32
wasn't that a shootout with weaver and some others shooting also JI7 Oct 2014 #33
And, the entire Branch Davidian sect cwydro Nov 2014 #45
The Branch Davidians were firing guns at the ATF at the time. kwassa Nov 2014 #48
Yes there is. cwydro Nov 2014 #52
Again, you're wrong, GGJohn Nov 2014 #53
No. GGJohn Nov 2014 #46
She was shot by a sniper. Head shot. One shot, one kill. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #54
She was shot accidentally. The FBI sniper was trying to hit Weaver ... kwassa Oct 2014 #41
False. GGJohn Nov 2014 #47
whatever, Vicky was accidentally killed, either way. Therefore, no analogy. kwassa Nov 2014 #49
The only reason Vicky was killed is because the ROE's were changed GGJohn Nov 2014 #51
Yeah: "whatever". cherokeeprogressive Nov 2014 #56
Muhammed didn't kill a police officer. kwassa Oct 2014 #43
Thank you. Nt cwydro Nov 2014 #44
According to every single news report I've read, he was unarmed. Glassunion Oct 2014 #23
He was armed according to the article that was linked in the OP... FlyingFluck Nov 2014 #69
Other sources. Glassunion Nov 2014 #72
Lucky for him he didn't try to reach for his wallet! n/t arcane1 Oct 2014 #27
No hoodie or Skittles involved - TBF Oct 2014 #28
He wasn't armed. maced666 Nov 2014 #68
Neither was Trayvon. TBF Nov 2014 #70
He wasn't smoking devil weed and armed with a sidewalk. bravenak Oct 2014 #30
.. Cha Oct 2014 #36
Yes. bravenak Oct 2014 #38
Armed with a sidewalk evokes Trayvon pinboy3niner Nov 2014 #50
what is sad is the fact that he is alive is news dembotoz Nov 2014 #62
He wasn't armed. maced666 Nov 2014 #67
Because... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #73
What about the guy who murdered two NorCal cops last week? Throd Nov 2014 #74
Exceptions don't overturn all the instances otherwise. nt Lex Nov 2014 #76
Shhh... mustn't show the netdiots whistler162 Nov 2014 #78
Oh yes, please show us your statistics on the matter. Lex Nov 2014 #82
They used the deceased cops handcuffs and car on their capture.Ghoulish & unnecessary ritual. Sunlei Nov 2014 #84
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
58. Also forgot - Right-wing
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 03:18 AM
Nov 2014

Clive Bundy's chuckleheads didn't even get arrested for threatening to kill federal agents.

White, christian, right-wingers with guns. You know, the most deeply oppressed class in the US, according to themselves.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
77. So you don't get the point.. okay
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 02:22 PM
Nov 2014

African american accused of killing police officer not killed seems to be ignored news. While white american accused of killing police officer not killed seems to be used to prove some convoluted argument that all police are bad.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
81. Your point is that a few exceptions means the over-whelming majority is erased?
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 06:00 PM
Nov 2014

Nice point you have there. lol

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
5. I think the reason this guy is not dead is because
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:20 PM
Oct 2014

he got away on the day he murdered those two state troopers and the day he was caught, he not not engage the troopers in a gunfight. He did not aim eitger weapon at the cops. Had he done so, he might not be alive today.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
31. Randy Weaver is white. They didn't kill him; they killed his white wife who didn't hurt ANYONE, and
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:21 PM
Oct 2014

his son.

Explain that?

Or does it matter that the US Government did it, and not a local police force?

 

AnalystInParadise

(1,832 posts)
39. Good luck
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:59 PM
Oct 2014

trying to convince some people to not believe their conspiracy theories in the face of factual evidence.

ecstatic

(32,681 posts)
15. But do you see the point that was being made?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:47 PM
Oct 2014

There's a really high bar set for when it's appropriate to use lethal force on a white man. A black guy can get gunned down just for following a cop's orders to show license and registration.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
12. No matter what is said here about his capture...we all know what 99% of America is really thinking..
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:38 PM
Oct 2014

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
79. Oh, yeah they are. Even the naysayers on this thread are thinking the SAME thing
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 03:00 PM
Nov 2014

even thought they'd rather bite their tongues off and cut their typing fingers off with a dull knife than admit it. Hence their passionate "naysaying" as proof.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
17. What's your point?
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:51 PM
Oct 2014

I'm missing something.

There is no doubt that police abuse black people in this country. It's horrible, obviously. Ferguson, Trayvon Martin, every town, every city.

In the case of Mr. Eric Frein, however, the biggest indignity to that cold-blooded murderer was to be taken alive by the very cops he despised...to suffer the humiliation of the trial, a life spent in jail, or the death penalty.

The innocents in minority groups abused by police in this country deserve our sympathy and our help. The innocent police and their children who suffered from pre-meditated murder by Eric Frein also deserve our sympathy.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
37. The point, since you didn't get it, is obvious.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:56 PM
Oct 2014

Mr. Eric Frein, a white cop killer, was accorded a treatment that no black man who shot a police officer would be accorded.

That was the point of the OP. You went off on your own very nice tangent, but it has nothing to do with the OP.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
60. Actually, I did get it.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 05:18 AM
Nov 2014

It's what I expressed in my post. I mentioned the treatments that blacks get at the hands of the police. It's a huge national problem. So my answer, or tangent, as you call it has everything to do with the OP. Please re-read my post.

Our difference in opinion is that Mr. Eric Frein will certainly not be getting any kid gloves treatment by the police in this case.

He is a pre-meditated murderer of an innocent man, and he will pay the consequences.

Thank you.

gladium et scutum

(806 posts)
83. U.S. Marshal Service
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 07:12 PM
Nov 2014

Is considerably a different organization than the local police departments. How many unarmed African Americans have the Marshal's Service killed in the last few years?

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
61. Thanks, Scootalo.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 05:24 AM
Nov 2014

I cry for Trayvon Martin's parents. I cry for Michael Brown's parents. I cry for PA Trooper Dickson's parents, wife, and two little boys.

Senseless murders, all.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
20. John Allen Muhammad and Lee Malvo killed 10 people, injured 3, and were armed
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:52 PM
Oct 2014

but were still captured alive.

Hmmmm.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
32. Randy Weaver's wife was white, and she didn't hurt ANYONE.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:24 PM
Oct 2014

She was shot in the head while holding a baby. HER baby.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
33. wasn't that a shootout with weaver and some others shooting also
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 10:45 PM
Oct 2014

and that's how she ended up getting shot ?

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
48. The Branch Davidians were firing guns at the ATF at the time.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:24 AM
Nov 2014

This is an action that might cause one some problems.

and also is no analogy to what we are discussing here.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
52. Yes there is.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:35 AM
Nov 2014

Since you want to make it about race.

But you proved my point.

Most of these incidents are not in any comparable.

But DU only cares about race these days.

Justice in this country has more to do with wealth than race.

But I think you know that.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
53. Again, you're wrong,
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:37 AM
Nov 2014

the Branch Dividians were under assault by the ATF without any warning, the ATF wanted to do a "dynamic entry" to justify their request for a boost to their budget.

Pls do learn what the hell you're talking about.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
46. No.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:16 AM
Nov 2014

They were running for the safety of their cabin after attending to the body of Randy's son who was killed by US Marshal's, as they ran for the cabin, an FBI sniper shot and wounded Kevin and then shot at Randy as he entered the cabin, killing Vicky who was holding the door open for them.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
41. She was shot accidentally. The FBI sniper was trying to hit Weaver ...
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:01 PM
Oct 2014

whom he had already wounded.

What this has to do with the price of rice in China, I will never know.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
47. False.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:19 AM
Nov 2014

Randy Weaver was never wounded, it was Kevin Harris that was wounded, the FBI sniper, Lon Hourichi, who took a shot at Weaver as he entered the cabin door, held open by Vicky, killing her as she was holding her baby.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
51. The only reason Vicky was killed is because the ROE's were changed
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 12:29 AM
Nov 2014

and in the aftermath, the FBI was severely critized for those changes.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
43. Muhammed didn't kill a police officer.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 11:11 PM
Oct 2014

Hmmmmm.

and in other local news, in the same area:

A 19-year-old man suspected of killing a Prince George's County police officer was strangled in the county jail two days after his arrest, the state medical examiner's office concluded yesterday.

Ronnie L. White, who was found unresponsive Sunday morning, died of asphyxiation, and two small bones in his neck were broken, according to preliminary autopsy findings. County officials said he was separated from other inmates; only seven guards and an undisclosed number of supervisors had access to the area where White was held.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/30/AR2008063001156.html

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
23. According to every single news report I've read, he was unarmed.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 09:22 PM
Oct 2014

cnn.com
msnbc.com
cbs.com
nbc.com
...
...
Even philly.com

They all stated I their articles he was unarmed when captured.

What article states that he was armed? I'm dying to see it.

FlyingFluck

(2 posts)
69. He was armed according to the article that was linked in the OP...
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 03:41 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/accused-pennsylvania-cop-killer-eric-frein-captured/

Frein was arrested Thursday evening by U.S. marshals in an abandoned airplane hangar Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains. A law enforcement source told CBS News that Frein was carrying a handgun and a sniper rifle at the time, and gave up without a fight.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
72. Other sources.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 05:31 PM
Nov 2014
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/30/pennsylvania-trooper-eric-frein-reported-captured/18203907/
He said Frein "did not have a gun on his person'' when captured


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hunch-us-marshals-nab-eric-frein-26618523
Frein finally realized he wasn't alone. Malkowski identified himself as law enforcement and ordered Frein, who was unarmed but had weapons in the hangar, to get on the ground


http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/31/us/pennsylvania-eric-frein-arrest/index.html?c=&page=2
And he wasn't armed at the time of his capture, according to police, much to the relief of authorities who feared a violent showdown.
 

maced666

(771 posts)
67. He wasn't armed.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 03:17 PM
Nov 2014

Not sure how that was missed, reported everywhere.
"He had nowhere to go. There is nothing he could've done," Malkowski identified himself as law enforcement and ordered Frein, who was unarmed -----'but had weapons in the hangar'
http://news.yahoo.com/just-had-hunch-us-marshals-nab-eric-frein-045133293.html

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
73. Because...
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 06:19 PM
Nov 2014

...he wasn't a scary 18-year-old, 6’4” and almost 300 pound man child with a tan and, more than likely, a hoodie at home in his closet.

(Requisite /sarc inserted here for the DU sarcasm challenged.)

TYY

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