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H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 12:22 PM Nov 2014

Long days, long nights

This is the 4th in a series on the shootings in Bainbridge, NY, that seriously wounded my cousin, and killed his son. The gunman was a retired NYC cop, recently hired as a part-time deputy-guard at the county jail. It was an extreme case of “road rage” -- this chap was enraged because a 26-year old slowed to 51 mph to round a curve -- that has left our communities reeling.

On Friday, there was a hearing in town court, to determine if the District Attorney had enough evidence to hold the “suspect” in jail, until a grand jury meets in late November to decide if he is to be charged with felony counts. The hearing, which lasted about an hour, was attended by a large crowd. Besides police and lawyers, there were family and friends of the victims, as well as concerned community members.

I had arranged a meeting between the DA and our family before the hearing. My aunt and uncle are in their mid-80s; they do not need the added stress of worrying about a potential injustice at this time. I think the meeting with the DA, along with conversations with state police after the hearing, has eased their minds. And the same goes with their three daughters.

After attempting to dispose of his handgun and other material, the thug had gone to the NYS Police and attempted to file charges on his victims. Police reports show that he reeked of alcohol. After the police read him his rights, and placed him under arrest, he asked to be allowed to go on his way. When they made it clear he was not free to go, he became hostile.

The local justice of the peace, of course, ruled that there is sufficient reason to hold him in jail, pending the grand jury hearing.

A BCI investigator told me that the gunman’s family has had a series of harassing and threatening phone calls. Thus, when I spoke with the assembled media, I made it clear that we hold no feelings of ill will towards them. He devastated their lives, too. (His three children are young adults. Should they have children, “grandpa” will be a figure held in a distant prison, playing no meaningful role in their lives.)

I had coffee with my family afterwards. The outpouring of support from people, in the diner and on the street, was impressive. One of the nice things in these small communities is that most people know everyone else. Might not be friends, but people are friendly. Good people.. And there really are a heck of a lot of good people.

Saturday was the funeral and burial. Both my aunt and uncle were pleased to see so many young adults there -- people who had known their grandson from school and the local towns. They were particularly happy to see a group of youth who had their hair dyed in bright colors, dressed like their generation’s gypsies. “I like people who make statements about their beliefs and values,” my aunt told me. My uncle recalled when his son was among the first, in the mid-1960s, to grow long hair and dress “like a hippie.”

Our extended family ended up at my aunt and uncle’s house. Three of my four children were there (the oldest daughter is studying abroad). My sons spent time near the wood stove with my uncle. He mentions how cutting and splitting his firewood tires him out these days; he’s “only” two year’s ahead. I doubt that many 43-year olds could keep up with this 86-year old man.

Neighbors and town’s folks continue to deliver generous amounts of the best foods. You could easily have fed 300 people. And you could tell that the people who had prepared the food had taken the time and effort to make something special. For that is the way Good People are.

I was aware that, somewhere in the next town, another family was grieving. I understand that people try to make sense out of the senseless; hence, some of his family and friends are saying that “there’s more to the story,” that the victims were attempting to rob the gunman, that they had weapons, that they stabbed him several times, and on and on. Next they’ll say that Faye Resnick holds the key to this mystery.

It is human nature to try to make sense of these things, in the context of our experiences and level of understanding. I do not begrudge them for believing falsehoods, for the truth is too painful right now. I will speculate that at least some family members have know the murderer to have a terrible temper, and to have engaged in violent behaviors in the past. I have heard that he was very controlling, with his wife and kids.

As a human being, I am also attempting to make sense of this. And, of course, that is in the context of my life experiences, and my limited level of understanding. In terms of this forum, some of you may remember that I’ve always tried to advocate non-violence. I’ve used quotes from my two mentors -- Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman and Rubin “Hurricane” Carter -- and others -- Gandhi and King -- to express the view that there’s too much fear, anger, and hatred in our culture. That we must counter these negative forces with compassion, understanding, and love. Those are the markers along the pathways to Higher Ground. These are the same guidelines I use when things are tough.

Later this week, I’ll post more on “why” I think this tragic event took place, and on what meaning I believe it has for me, and the community. Until then, you can be sure that old H2O Man will be busy, taking care of some business on this end.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Long days, long nights (Original Post) H2O Man Nov 2014 OP
Thank you for your update n/t n2doc Nov 2014 #1
Well I can't make sense of it... Phentex Nov 2014 #2
Thank you, H2O Man. elleng Nov 2014 #3
Thank you for going way above and beyond the call of duty to keep the bullwinkle428 Nov 2014 #4
Peace to you and yours, H2O Man. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #5
Peace Roy Rolling Nov 2014 #6
It sounds as though the "suspect" will be convicted. Let's hope so. panader0 Nov 2014 #7
Thank you very much, your words are healing. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #8
I'm so sorry for your loss and the added pain of the "What ifs?". deurbano Nov 2014 #19
Thank you. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #58
I am so sorry for your loss greatlaurel. This should not happen in a country as wealthy as this. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #47
Thank you. greatlaurel Nov 2014 #57
... handmade34 Nov 2014 #9
Peace to you as well H20 Man Samantha Nov 2014 #10
You are a wonderful, amazing individual. Thank you for sharing this post. nt Live and Learn Nov 2014 #11
I would like to second that, since those are my thoughts, exactly. deurbano Nov 2014 #21
I totally agree with you. He is a very unique and amazing human being. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #48
Peace be to you and yours, H20 Man... ReRe Nov 2014 #12
Your commitment to non-violence is surely being annabanana Nov 2014 #13
. . . flamin lib Nov 2014 #14
Peace H2O Man... Lochloosa Nov 2014 #15
This... chervilant Nov 2014 #16
Ditto! Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #18
I'm sorry for your loss. lebkuchen Nov 2014 #17
Thanks for sharing H2O Man denvine Nov 2014 #20
Crazy and tragic events seem so random. Voice for Peace Nov 2014 #22
Peace to you H2O Man geardaddy Nov 2014 #23
Your words are wonderful. BlueJazz Nov 2014 #24
Here you go again... ms liberty Nov 2014 #25
Sending positive vibes your way, my friend. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #26
I wish for peace to you and your family, H2O Man. joanbarnes Nov 2014 #27
........ daleanime Nov 2014 #28
I can only make sense of it in a general and simple way. zeemike Nov 2014 #29
Peace to you and yours, always, H2O Man Hekate Nov 2014 #30
I am so sorry H2O Man MissDeeds Nov 2014 #31
Thank You for Sharing Your Family's Difficult Story Oldtimeralso Nov 2014 #32
Your wisdom and grace during a time of such senseless violence is inspiring. FourScore Nov 2014 #33
Keep the lights burning. immoderate Nov 2014 #34
My thoughts and prayers are with you. beemer27 Nov 2014 #35
there is not much I can say onethatcares Nov 2014 #36
Well reasoned, H2O Man. Hoping for some healing for you and everyone there. freshwest Nov 2014 #37
Peace to you and yours. 840high Nov 2014 #38
Peace to you and your family. Scuba Nov 2014 #39
Peace to you and your family, H20 Man democrank Nov 2014 #40
You have always been a bright shining light here, Waterman. scarletwoman Nov 2014 #41
This our country has chnged sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #42
Your postings Iwillnevergiveup Nov 2014 #43
Thank you for being you and for sharing this time of great sorrow for you and your family. mountain grammy Nov 2014 #44
I don't know either, BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #45
This is so sad GregD Nov 2014 #46
I did not know about this terrible tragedy until I saw this thread. You are one of the few reasons sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #49
Thank you for the update and I am so sorry berni_mccoy Nov 2014 #50
thank you shireen Nov 2014 #51
Reading your updates. madfloridian Nov 2014 #52
Thank you again for taking the precious time to keep us informed. Granny M Nov 2014 #53
K&R n/t Feral Child Nov 2014 #54
. hedgehog Nov 2014 #55
Thank you for keeping us informed about this. MineralMan Nov 2014 #56

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
2. Well I can't make sense of it...
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 12:28 PM
Nov 2014

I look forward to hearing your views on the "why" because there's very little I can think of that justify ANYONE being sent to their grave over something like this.

My heart goes out to you and your family.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
4. Thank you for going way above and beyond the call of duty to keep the
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 12:34 PM
Nov 2014

DU community informed with everything that's been happening with this tragedy. I know you have many higher-priority things to deal with at this time, so we appreicate it deeply.

K&R.

Roy Rolling

(6,915 posts)
6. Peace
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 12:56 PM
Nov 2014

Peace to you and your family. Such a tragic event, I hope you find healing and comfort for everyone involved.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
7. It sounds as though the "suspect" will be convicted. Let's hope so.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 01:00 PM
Nov 2014

"we must counter these negative forces with compassion, understanding, and love." Still, as you say, it's so hard to understand the senseless rage. Thanks for the update.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
8. Thank you very much, your words are healing.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 01:02 PM
Nov 2014

My family has just lost a young member about the same age as your family member to cancer. I was feeling very angry about this due to the cutting of funds to medical research that would help in discovering treatments and the lack of medical care for young people. This young person had to wait months to get approved for medicaid before the hospital would start the treatments. We will never know if that delay led to his untimely death. This particular cancer is very treatable if caught early, so funding of robust screening could save the thousands of victims of this disease.

Thank you for words of wisdom and peace, this has helped me more than I can express.

Peace and healing to you and your family.

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
19. I'm so sorry for your loss and the added pain of the "What ifs?".
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 02:27 PM
Nov 2014

Having to wait months to get approved is just criminal.

Peace and healing to you and your family, too.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
10. Peace to you as well H20 Man
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 01:04 PM
Nov 2014

It is so difficult to find words of comfort for a family that has experienced the tragedy yours has. The only thing I can share from my personal experience when devasted by a personal loss is this: over time it becomes clear that the only thing that gets us through life's tragedys is to continually take stock in what we have left. It is clear that you and your members have the love and support of many in your community, and perhaps that is the thought to hold onto. May you find comfort in the wonderful memories you have and the knowledge you have a core of support from those who care.

Sam

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
13. Your commitment to non-violence is surely being
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 01:31 PM
Nov 2014

tested to near it's limit now. Your compassion for the other hurting family and your steadfastness to your principles clearly show you for the man you are.

I have tremendous respect for you and can only wish that I would be as sturdy in my convictions, in your situation.

God bless,
Ann

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
16. This...
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 02:01 PM
Nov 2014
As a human being, I am also attempting to make sense of this. And, of course, that is in the context of my life experiences, and my limited level of understanding. In terms of this forum, some of you may remember that I’ve always tried to advocate non-violence. I’ve used quotes from my two mentors -- Onondaga Chief Paul Waterman and Rubin “Hurricane” Carter -- and others -- Gandhi and King -- to express the view that there’s too much fear, anger, and hatred in our culture. That we must counter these negative forces with compassion, understanding, and love. Those are the markers along the pathways to Higher Ground. These are the same guidelines I use when things are tough.


I always read your posts; you are one of the few on this forum who eloquently advocates for compassion, understanding and love in the face of hate-mongering and fear-mongering. I am so very sorry that you've had to deal with the fallout of that pathetic man's anger.
 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
22. Crazy and tragic events seem so random.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 02:30 PM
Nov 2014

A killer is off the road; there is a gift to the community.
Thank you for sharing this difficult story with us.
Good wishes to all the broken ones, all the sorry and
sad, may everyone heal and find peace.

ms liberty

(8,573 posts)
25. Here you go again...
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 02:38 PM
Nov 2014

Taking a tragedy and turning it into a teachable moment on the values we share... It is a trait that makes you my favorite, most respected member of DU and someone I think of as a dear friend, even tho we've never met IRL. Your strength and character shines thru your every post.
I am so glad he wasn't released on bond; there is no one more dangerous to your community than this very sick man. It sounds like your family might see justice done this time, and I am hopeful for that. Thanks for the update, and know that we are here, ready to help, ready to listen, and ready to support you however we can.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
29. I can only make sense of it in a general and simple way.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 03:10 PM
Nov 2014

Because inequities abound the love of many will wax cold.

But that is of little comfort for the victums...and there are many in this tragedy.

Thanks for keeping us updated.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
30. Peace to you and yours, always, H2O Man
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 03:14 PM
Nov 2014

I'm sorry, but I just have no words to express, and you are so eloquent.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
31. I am so sorry H2O Man
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 03:27 PM
Nov 2014

I have thought often about you, your family, and the horrible ordeal you are going through. It seems there is so much pain and suffering, it's inconceivable that some among us are hell bent on bringing hurt and mayhem to others. I don't know what to say...we search for reason and answers when there are none.

Take care, and know that others are thinking of you and sending healing vibes your way.

MissDeeds

Oldtimeralso

(1,937 posts)
32. Thank You for Sharing Your Family's Difficult Story
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 03:47 PM
Nov 2014

Your attitude is fantastic!
Peace be with you and your family
May Justice prevail

In the past my wife and I had a problem with a now ex officer and he tried to hide behind the "coat of blue" but the truth came out after an investigation by another police department.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
33. Your wisdom and grace during a time of such senseless violence is inspiring.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 04:20 PM
Nov 2014

Thank you for sharing all of this with us H2O Man. I wish you and your family peace and strength during this difficult time.

You are simply amazing.

beemer27

(460 posts)
35. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 04:36 PM
Nov 2014

You are a peaceful and gentle person. Your wisdom will help guide your family thru this time of sorrow. Hopefully the legal system will work as it should , and your family will have some measure of closure. This man should never have been involved in any law enforcement field, and it is surprising that he made it this far without ending up where he is.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
41. You have always been a bright shining light here, Waterman.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 08:48 PM
Nov 2014

And, against the darkness that has wreaked such cruelty upon your family, your light shines brighter still.

It is no surprise, of course.

Love and Peace to you and yours.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
42. This our country has chnged
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 09:02 PM
Nov 2014

to the point that violence from all different sides has been tolerated, even in some ways encouraged.
I don't know whether this is just due to poverty, inequality or an ever growing feeling of entitlement.
I hope that this can change.

In the meantime stay strong and calm so that your family can partially lean on you.

All the best.

Iwillnevergiveup

(9,298 posts)
43. Your postings
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 09:36 PM
Nov 2014

have inspired so much compassion for all your family is going through. And most (if not all) of us have never even met you! It's because of how you're getting your thoughts down - we can greatly empathize with you. I hope you hang onto all you've written which can be chronicles for the family and friends you're closest to. It could turn into a beautiful remembrance and tribute to your cousin.

Maybe you'd want to take it one step farther and get it all published. Too many families have experienced senseless, tragic losses as yours has, and your poignant, powerful words could undoubtedly bring a lot of comfort and peace to them. Thank you for being the peacemaker that you are.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
44. Thank you for being you and for sharing this time of great sorrow for you and your family.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 09:55 PM
Nov 2014

I know, reading your posts and following your struggle are making me a better person.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
45. I don't know either,
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 10:43 PM
Nov 2014

But this seems to be the best guidance to hold close...

That we must counter these negative forces with compassion, understanding, and love. Those are the markers along the pathways to Higher Ground.


_/\_

GregD

(2,263 posts)
46. This is so sad
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 11:48 PM
Nov 2014

I caught your thread the first day this awful event happened, and it made me so sad. I'm looking forward to your next entry. Good luck with all of this - we don't know each other, and I don't post here often as I did in the past, but I wish you well. Breathe. Heal.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
49. I did not know about this terrible tragedy until I saw this thread. You are one of the few reasons
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:10 AM
Nov 2014

I continue to come back to DU. A reminder of what DU used to be, a place where compassion and strength of character, real commitment to justice and Civil Liberties, made this a special place and you were and remain one if the shining lights that drew me and so many others to this place. Sadly you are one of only a few left who made DU what it was and the reason some of us still come here.

I can only imagine the sadness your family must be feeling, and am not surprised, knowing you as we do, that even under these terrible circumstances you follow your beliefs at a time when they surely are being tested.

I understand your feelings of compassion for the family of the perpetrator of this awful crime. In many ways, the families of those who commit these terrible acts suffer, perhaps even more sometimes, than the families of their victims, as they do not generally receive the support victims' families receive.

Thank for not letting go of your commitment to peace, love and compassion at this terrible time.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
50. Thank you for the update and I am so sorry
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 01:23 AM
Nov 2014

That you and your family and community have had this happen. Thoughts and spirit with you H2O Man.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
51. thank you
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 02:22 AM
Nov 2014

for taking the time to talk to us. I cannot imagine the depth of grief you and your family are suffering. My heart goes out to you.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
53. Thank you again for taking the precious time to keep us informed.
Tue Nov 4, 2014, 04:39 AM
Nov 2014

My thoughts are with you and your family. I am glad for the great support they are receiving from their community.

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