Because the Lena Dunham thread is so long...

[cali]

I didn't see anyone in that thread mention that her father is famous for painting... vaginas. Her father is the artist Carroll Dunham and his work is graphic and pretty controversial. Her mother is the photographer/artist Laurie Simmons and some of her work is pretty sexualized as well.

I think that could explain a lot.

Link to her father's work:

https://www.google.com/search?q=dunham+paintings&biw=1173&bih=516&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=c-1YVPyzI-rZsATr7oHQBA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

[MineralMan]

1. I find those somewhat disturbing on several levels.

Odd.

[strawberries]

2. he is famous for painting vaginas?!

I digress as I have not seen too many vaginas, but how different can they be that someone paints multple pictures of them?

[cali]

3. I'm sorry, but I'm not clear on what you're asking here.

[NYC_SKP]

7. Each one is unique, no two alike (nt)

[strawberries]

8. lol

I did not know that. Thanks for education

[snooper2]

10. except for twins

[NYC_SKP]

13. Or cousins, identical cousins!

https://m.

[JaneyVee]

9. They're like snowflakes.

[strawberries]

12. from a distance

they look the same but the closer you get ..... LOL I can't continue this lol

[eShirl]

22. How different can anything be that there are multiple "pictures painted" of them?

flower
sunset
foot
face
moon

[aikoaiko]

30. They are like snowflakes -- unique and special each. They even change over the years.

[B2G]

4. I Googled his work yesterday

I think it explains everything.

No wonder she has been obsessed with vaginas since she was young. I can only imagine what their home décor looked like.

Bet she had an interesting mobile in her crib.

[cali]

5. I think it may well explain quite a bit too.

pretty much why I posted this.

[strawberries]

11. lol

picturing a mobile hanging over a crib full of different vaginas.

[hedgehog]

6. Ummm.... yeah.

[AngryAmish]

14. The poet she was reading in bed with her sister molested her daughter.

Yeah, she should stay away from kids. Maybe she could move to The Villages.

[TorchTheWitch]

15. I still have absolutely no idea who she is

But after reading this and the other thread I don't want to know.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. "famous for painting... vaginas" sounds like it would

tickle.

[Dont call me Shirley]

36. LOL! Good one!

[randome]

17. Very interesting bit of info to add to the subject.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[deutsey]

18. That explains a lot n/t

[Marr]

19. How is this not patriarchal?

So the blame for Lena Dunham's own comments is shifted to her father?

It also seems indicative of an enormous double standard. If Lena Dunham were a male celebrity, such a redirection of responsibility to the mother would be considered offensive in the extreme.

Women can be child molesters. I'm not saying Lena Dunham is-- I think she's just another 'shock you with my personal life' hack. But immediately looking to the nearest male in her life as someone to blame for her own comments seems very wrong to me.

[B2G]

20. It's not blaming, it's explaining

Lena is firmly responsible for her own behavior but she wasn't raised in a vacuum.

[Marr]

23. Would you feel compelled to "explain" the comments of some male celebrity, were

he to make such creepy remarks?

For the record, I don't think Dunham is a child molester. I think she's an attention-craving hack who wants to shock. But she's an adult, and she's responsible for her own comments, not her father.

[B2G]

24. Yep.

Any other questions?

[Marr]

46. Yes-- two, actually.

First, you really don't see a problem with suggesting Lena Dunham's father is some kind of victimizer or pervert, simply to "explain" his adult daughter's comments?

Second, as mentioned below-- did you ever explore the topic of Woody Allen's mother on this forum, in an effort to explain his behavior?

[B2G]

47. First,

I never said he victimized her. I said being steeped in that kind of imagery all of her life could explain here obsession with sex and lead to the disturbing behavior she engaged in with her little sister.

Woody Allen? All I know is he had a very rocky relationship with his mother. Was he sexually abused or something?

[cali]

27. say what, what, what? I'm not blaming anyone

I'm presenting information that obviously is pertinent to the discussion in the other thread. I agree that she's just another shock hack and not a child molester- oh and as I fucking well said, her mother's work is highly sexualized as well. there's something that's really disturbing about your looking for offense.

[Yavin4]

31. Yep. No one ever mentioned Woody Allen's mother.

Interesting indeed.

[closeupready]

44. That's actually a very valid point.

[TorchTheWitch]

21. somebody thinks this crap is art?

I've seen far better magic marker doodlings on the notebooks of the sexually obsessed kids I went to school with.

Dude has a major screw loose. He even looks like one of those sexually obsessed dorks I went to school with but the older guy version.

[ProfessorGAC]

25. I'm A Bit Stunned There Is A Market For This

At least enough of a market that he would be famous for this work.

Don't mean to sound prudish, but just not the kind of thing i would imagine people want hanging on their wall.

[Sheldon Cooper]

26. There are times when I wish I could develop a better appreciation for art, classical music,

important works of literature, poetry, etc. And then there are times when I'm actually comforted by my philistine-ism.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

28. When will we Stop Making Stupid People Famous?

These people sound stupid, callous and hurtful. No Boundaries.

[Dreamer Tatum]

29. I say again: I wonder if she was molested at some point. nt

[TeeYiYi]

32. Without a doubt. ..nt

TYY

[Dont call me Shirley]

33. The paintings are not derogatory or abusive in nature. Quite the opposite, like a celebration

of vaginas.

[cali]

34. that has nothing to do with it.

as for the paintings being a celebration of vaginas, that's one opinion. the point is that small children are curious and those paintings could certainly pique the curiosity of a small child.

[Dont call me Shirley]

37. Some people are trying to "paint" Mr Dunham as an abusive pornographer. I simply pointed

out that the pics don't appear to be abusive in nature.

As for piquing the curiosity of the child, yes, it certainly may. Some people are highly sexual in nature, some are not at all, many fall somewhere in the middle. A highly sexualized child would tend to be more evoked by the paintings, being they are both sexual in nature.

Sexuality is a natural thing. That being said, the line is crossed sexually when agreed consent is not given, when there is a child involved or when harm becomes a factor.

Suspicions must be raised with Lena's behavior as a possibility of early sexual abuse, not indicating it was the father, it could have been anyone. Her sexual behavior would suggest that. Whether the frequent exposure to the paintings may be a cause should also be explored.

[marzipanni]

35. Vaginas, eh?

Without looking at his art, yet, I'm going to speculumate speculate that he paints vulvas, not vaginas, which, being internal, would be hard to visualize.

[Seeking Serenity]

40. That kinda bugs me too, using the word "vagina" when what is being described or talked about

is the "vulva."

But then again, I kind of know why, at least coming from women. Of all the women I know, and I kinda include myself in this group at least occasionally, almost all don't typically like talking about their "lady parts," very very few will use their clinical names instead of more polite-sounding euphemisms, and virtually none will use the "other v-word," because they just think that sounds icky.

[marzipanni]

42. Yeah, I know, I suppose vul-vay-vay doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as va-jay-jay

The odometer on my Volvo broke years ago. Not much shocks me anymore.

[Feral Child]

38. It seems as if

the only vaginas he was familiar with were on blow-up dolls.

[hootinholler]

39. Wouldn't that tickle?

To have your vagina painted?

It would probably tickle to have my penis painted

[uppityperson]

41. Vulvas, not vaginas.

Vagina is the passageway, vulva is what you see looking at a woman's genitals.


Please use the right term. Thank you.


http://grammarist.com/usage/vagina-vulva/

In female mammals, the vagina is the passage leading from the opening of the vulva to the cervix of the uterus. The word is commonly misused in place of vulva, which denotes the external genital organs of the female mammal. This mistake is so common that we probably can’t stop it, but grownup users of English should nevertheless know the difference between the words.

[uppityperson]

43. Those are pretty wild paintings, thanks for showing me an artist I didn't know. nt

[closeupready]

45. One year, I did a week (or so) in Paris with my partner. We were

at the Musee D'Orsay (anyone who's been there will know where I'm going here, lol) - I'd been to the Louvre several times, but never the D'Orsay - it was amazing, but there is one painting on the ground level near one of the 'French doors' which is an impressionist painting of a woman's vagina - it's a huge painting. Well, my partner wanted to see the painting; I wanted to throw up and I think that was the only painting I avoided making ... eye contact with.

I'm glad I wasn't raised in Lena Dunham's home. I mean, I was ALREADY grateful for that. This additional bit underscores my good fortune, IMO.

[H2O Man]

48. Hopefully not old lead paint.